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How US helped Iraq build deadly arsenal
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:13:32 +0100, Sjoerd wrote:
"Tchiowa" schreef in bericht om... Same thing in Iraq. Oil had absolutely nothing to do with it. And you _really_ believe that? You must be one of the very few people in the world to believe such a lie. I certainly do. I see possible reasons for the war as: 1. Offering the US folks revenge for 9/11, by just go kill Arabs. 2. Providing a showcase for the Bush doctrine of preventive attacks when it suits him. 3. Dream on, trying to redo the map of the Middle East. A la post-WWII Japan. On oil, surely it would have been much much cheaper to hear Saddam begging for negociation and offering whatever cash he wanted. As to the 1973 story, it's quite different in the sense that these countries *refused to sell.* That's of course a crime beyond salvation. Imagine... |
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How US helped Iraq build deadly arsenal
On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 23:25:40 +0000, Pete Loud wrote:
Hi Guys, I am amazed that something I said over a year ago, before the Iraq war, has suddenly re-appeared. I can only think it was on my website, "Maps of Iraq", http://users.powernet.co.uk/mkmarina/iraq/iraq.html Since then the situation has changed somewhat :-o and my website has been updated, although not recently. To pull things back on-topic I have loads of great maps of Asia on my websites, check them out. Cheers, Pete Loud "devil" wrote in message news On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 23:25:40 +0000, Pete Loud wrote: Don't think I support Iraq, I don't. Bush got into power on the contributions of the oil industry towards his election expenses, it's now pay-back time. He has to wrest control of the Iraqi oil fields from Iraq and put control into the hands of US oil industry stooges. It's tough that thousands will be have to die to boost the oil company profits. I actually don't buy that. For one thing, by and large, the business community is against a war. Just look at how the markets are reacting. Military action for physical control of oil is just not the American way of doing things. A large fraction of European opinion sees this as a (the only sensible, seemingly?) rationale for a war, given that it otherwise makes no sense at all. But I don't buy it. I am still not convinced there actually will be a war. I guess I have been indulging in wishful thinking when I theoretized the noise would subside after the mid-term elections. Anyway, which rationales are we left with, besides the assumption that this administration is living in a parallel universe, fightinmg windmills out of their own imagination? One would be simply an exercise of killing Arabs. For the sake of the US collective psyche, which needs revenge after the loss of face we all know of. Which US right wing, now out of the closet en masse, is really craving for. Another one, somewhat less cynical if also more stupid is that this administration may have decided they can't live any longer with our friend Saddam making them look like fools time and again. Except, of course, if, after the war is over, no weapon of mass destruction is found and their dishonesty/stupidity becomes clear. Which would be the man's last irony... |
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How US helped Iraq build deadly arsenal
"Sjoerd" wrote in message ...
"Tchiowa" schreef in bericht om... Same thing in Iraq. Oil had absolutely nothing to do with it. And you _really_ believe that? You must be one of the very few people in the world to believe such a lie. Absolutely I believe it. It doesn't make any sense that oil had anything to do with it. BTW, that's the business I'm in. I know for unquestioned fact that the US oil companies would prefer it if Iraqi oil stayed off the market. It forces the oil prices up and the oil companies are making near record profits because of it. |
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How US helped Iraq build deadly arsenal
Tchiowa wrote:
BTW, that's the business I'm in. I know for unquestioned fact that the US oil companies would prefer it if Iraqi oil stayed off the market. It forces the oil prices up and the oil companies are making near record profits because of it. Think about infrastructure contracts for both rebuilding and on-going operation. France and Russia had those, albeit severely limited by sanctions. Now the US has lifted scanctions, cancelled the existing contracts and is goving those contracts to US firms. |
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..com says... Same thing in Iraq. Oil had absolutely nothing to do with it. And you _really_ believe that? You must be one of the very few people in the world to believe such a lie. Absolutely I believe it. It doesn't make any sense that oil had anything to do with it. BTW, that's the business I'm in. I know for unquestioned fact that the US oil companies would prefer it if Iraqi oil stayed off the market. It forces the oil prices up and the oil companies are making near record profits because of it. *****Poor old Tchiowa, blindly following the party line. :-) |
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How US helped Iraq build deadly arsenal
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Tchiowa wrote: BTW, that's the business I'm in. I know for unquestioned fact that the US oil companies would prefer it if Iraqi oil stayed off the market. It forces the oil prices up and the oil companies are making near record profits because of it. Think about infrastructure contracts for both rebuilding and on-going operation. France and Russia had those, albeit severely limited by sanctions. Now the US has lifted scanctions, cancelled the existing contracts and is goving those contracts to US firms. Now think about the money for those contracts. It's mostly coming from US taxpayers. Are you suggesting that the US spent billions of dollars invading Iraq so that they could spend billions more dollars rebuilding it using US contractors? This is just one example of how the whole conspiracy theory doesn't wash. |
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How US helped Iraq build deadly arsenal
Tonkin wasn't a "lie" but just a "spin" and the gummint has a way of
"spinning" it the way they want... ("Spin" - meaning "I'll tell the story whatever way I want to tell it") "Craig Welch" wrote in message ... On 2 Jan 2004 18:04:07 -0800, (Tchiowa) wrote: The US did not go to war for oil when it had some reason for doing so (in 1973) and when the oil embargo was causing a huge problem. Why? As has been said, that simply isn't how the US does things. Dead right. The US does things the proper way. By lying. About WMD in Iraq, and about the Gulf of Tonkin incident in Vietnam. |
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How US helped Iraq build deadly arsenal
"Pete Loud" wrote in message ... On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 23:25:40 +0000, Pete Loud wrote: Hi Guys, I am amazed that something I said over a year ago, before the Iraq war, has suddenly re-appeared. I can only think it was on my website, "Maps of Iraq", http://users.powernet.co.uk/mkmarina/iraq/iraq.html Since then the situation has changed somewhat :-o and my website has been updated, although not recently. To pull things back on-topic I have loads of great maps of Asia on my websites, check them out. Cheers, Pete Loud Interesting site Peter. While I was reading it I was thinking how millions of Americans were outraged that Steve Irwin took his child into the crocodile enclosure, but those same people cheered as the bombs and missiles rained down on the people of Iraq. Bob |
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In u "Bob"
wrote: While I was reading it I was thinking how millions of Americans were outraged that Steve Irwin took his child into the crocodile enclosure, but those same people cheered as the bombs and missiles rained down on the people of Iraq. Are you certain it was "millions", and are you certain that they're the same people? Why? -- Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN |
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