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DO NOT TRAVEL TO INDONESIA!

It's the legal system, not the people

STOP ALL AID TO THIS REGION NOW.
Its the legal system, not the people

DO YOU WANT YOUR LIFE RUINED?
Its the legal system, not the people

Schapelle Corby from Australia has just been given 20 years in prison
and she is innocent. Search for Schapelle Corby on Google to see what
I mean.

DO NOT TRAVEL TO INDONESIA!

It's the legal system, not the people

STOP ALL AID TO THIS REGION NOW.
Its the legal system, not the people

DO YOU WANT YOUR LIFE RUINED?
Its the legal system, not the people

Schapelle Corby from Australia has just been given 20 years in prison
and she is innocent. Search for Schapelle Corby on Google to see what
I mean.

On Fri, 27 May 2005 22:41:25 +1000, "Jack" wrote:



DO NOT TRAVEL TO INDONESIA!

It's the legal system, not the people

STOP ALL AID TO THIS REGION NOW.
Its the legal system, not the people

DO YOU WANT YOUR LIFE RUINED?
Its the legal system, not the people

Schapelle Corby from Australia has just been given 20 years in prison
and she is innocent. Search for Schapelle Corby on Google to see what
I mean.

I am just wondering what all of this has to do with travel in
Australia and New Zealand......

Dave

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On Sat 28 May 2005 at 05:39:49 +1000, Dave Proctor at
wrote in
:

On Fri, 27 May 2005 22:41:25 +1000, "Jack" wrote:


DO NOT TRAVEL TO INDONESIA!

It's the legal system, not the people

STOP ALL AID TO THIS REGION NOW.

Its the legal system, not the people

DO YOU WANT YOUR LIFE RUINED?

Its the legal system, not the people

Schapelle Corby from Australia has just been given 20 years in prison
and she is innocent. Search for Schapelle Corby on Google to see what
I mean.

I am just wondering what all of this has to do with travel in
Australia and New Zealand......

Come on, Dave. For one thing there's a big possibility -- in many people's
minds a probability -- that Schapelle's bodyboard bag was tampered with _in
Australia_ (by at least one employee of Qantas). That possibility is already
a big topic of discussion in Australia. The letters-to-the-editor pages of
our newspapers, and the talkback programs in radio broadcasting, have been
peppered with expressions of fear from people who are accustomed to
travelling (or have been intending to travel) by plane within Australia --
especially in Qantas planes.

The possibility has even been mentioned in usenet. Often.

With gentle or noisy prodding by the general population, the best way in
which Schapelle can be helped by Australia's law-enforcement organisations
and the relevant agencies of the federal government is for them to intensify
their investigation of the baggage-handling staff, practices and events at
our airports, especially those in Sydney and Brisbane around the time that
she flew to Denpasar Airport in Bali on Friday 8 October last year.

Let's find the person or people wot done it. I wonder what's going through
their minds now, and where they are, and what they're doing. Some of us know
those people, but may not _yet_ have an inkling of any connection between
them and the crime.

There's now no point in continuing to criticise Indonesia for botching or
fixing the case. (That nation's law-enforcement circus is incorrigible, and
more amateurish and crooked than ours is, so it won't respond positively to
sniping from abroad.) The botching was helped at the Australian end too.

--
Arfur Moo

Thats a little harsh there A MATE, her ole man had a conviction 30 years
ago!

Unless all facts are layed out in front which they never will be, no-one but
Schapelle can know 100% for sure.

Im very much fence sitting here but never the less, 20 years, even if she
was blatently guilty is way to much.


"A Mate" wrote in message
u...
Schapelle Corby would have been found guilty in any court anywhere.

Purely as a matter of interest, her brother is currently in an Australian
jail (assault and multiple break & enters), and her father is a convicted
drug offender.

She will, however be given a fully funded appeal with 2 Senior Counsel -
paid for by taxpayers!!



"Get the Gossip" wrote in message
oups.com...
DO NOT TRAVEL TO INDONESIA!

STOP ALL AID TO THIS REGION NOW.

DO YOU WANT YOUR LIFE RUINED?

Schapelle Corby from Australia has just been given 20 years in prison
and she is innocent. Search for Schapelle Corby on Google to see what
I mean.

Customs officers say yes, She says no. Picture this scenario. You are
shopping, someone slips am item into your handbag and you are picked up
for
shoplifting when leaving the store. How, without a presumption of
innocence,
can you possibly prove you didn't take it.... Fingerprints perhaps????

How can one possibly prove that something is not yours, especially if
fingerprinting of the bag was not done.

All that fingerprinting the bag with the drugs would have proved is that
somene was smart enough to wear gloves when handling it. Fingerprinting
would not have proved a thing, just opened up another moot point for
the lawyers to argue about, and ultimately for the judges to dismiss as
irrelevant to the case. You may also need to consider that Corby
handled the dope bag in front of the Customs Officer and the Copper on
duty and they made the correct decision not to fingerprint the bag.

The other thing that I noticed has been ignored is the reason given by
the customs officer for searching her in the first place - "she looked
nervous" - pretty much the same way that customs officers around the
world operate. Look for the bad body language etc. and then search,
they probably get as many hits as they do failures. I'd say the chances
of a random search getting 4.5kgs of dope are fairly remote without
some sort of hint to the customs officer either from body language
or prior knowledge of the drugs arrival from Australia.

"Get the Gossip" wrote in message
oups.com...
DO NOT TRAVEL TO INDONESIA!

STOP ALL AID TO THIS REGION NOW.

DO YOU WANT YOUR LIFE RUINED?

Schapelle Corby from Australia has just been given 20 years in prison
and she is innocent. Search for Schapelle Corby on Google to see what
I mean.

If you want to prove her innocence:

BRING US THE PERSON WHO PLANTED THE PACKAGE!

Anything less is just hearsay.

For the record, if a customs officer told me I would be shot because of
something they found in my bag, I would probably say somebody else put it
there too. We would be outraged if somebody found guilty based on a
confession given at gunpoint, why are we so adamant that a denial given at
virtual gunpoint must be reliable?

Certainly, the Indonesian legal system does not follow the same standards
that we expect of the Australian legal system. But it is their country, and
their system. This wasn't an accusation out of nowhere, it was made on the
basis of physical evidence. According to the standards of the Indonesian
justice system, the evidence was sufficiently strong as to support
conviction.

If it happened as the defense argues, this could have happened at any
airport. If you were found with a substantial quantity of narcotics in your
possession in most international airports, you would almost certainly be
detained. If you feel that the risk of of this happening is significant,
confine your holiday destinations to those with more lenient drug laws or
those with rules of evidence that are less in favour of the prosecution. By
all means, avoid Indonesia if you think this might happen to you.

Stop aid to the region? You mean punish 200 million people who didn't commit
any offence, but were set up? Great idea!

Dave Campbell

"Arfur Moo" wrote:

The possibility has even been mentioned in usenet. Often.

Hey, there's a reliable source!

I for one don't believe Qantas employee "dope dealers" would risk movement
of a low-grade drug like cannabis by air from Brissy to Sydney. Driving it
makes the only sense.

And keep in mind Shapelle's sister, part of this shady caravan-trash family,
lives in Bali. Easy to see that she told Shapelle "let's make some quick
dosh by selling dope to the Aussie tourists".

The whole thing has been a media wank, by a bunch of low-class ******s inc.
crazy Ron Bakir.

"Brian Mitchell" wrote:

How, without a presumption of innocence,
can you possibly prove you didn't take it.... Fingerprints perhaps????

Even WITH the presumption of innocence, at some point in the trial the
burden of proof shifts to the defence. Caught with the goods would seem to
be pretty convincing proof that would require defence.

Besides, who brings a boogie board on an international holiday? You can
rent one for almost nothing when you get there!

Hey
I don't care if she's innocent or not but she's VERY good looking and
and screen-friendly and it's a shame if she can't have kids at such a
perfect age to do so. (Evolutionary and Costello Imperative)
Bob












Michael Conzo wrote:
"Brian Mitchell" wrote:

How, without a presumption of innocence,
can you possibly prove you didn't take it.... Fingerprints perhaps????

Even WITH the presumption of innocence, at some point in the trial the
burden of proof shifts to the defence. Caught with the goods would seem to
be pretty convincing proof that would require defence.

Besides, who brings a boogie board on an international holiday? You can
rent one for almost nothing when you get there!