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A Mon, 03 Jan 2005 02:09:20 GMT, Benjamin Smith
escribió: I find something wrong with an overemphasis on money making. I think life is about balance Haven't we had this discussion before? grin You are correct about life being about balance: Corporations are for the money-making. Other institutions, entities and aspects of life exist for the other things. I find that designing for a steered majority often leads to mediocrity Only with respect to an arbitrary, subjective standard, of course. -- bicker® |
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A Mon, 03 Jan 2005 04:16:45 GMT, Benjamin Smith
escribió: I'm for dressing to match personality, mood, ambiance, space, etc. So, I think the jeans everywhere and casual popularity isn't as interesting as people dressing to their various aspects of their personalities and presenting them in social situations. One thing I have noted is that folks who don't engage in a sub-culture often have difficulty seeing that it is a sub-culture and therefore often overlook the interesting aspects of it. For example, as you, I often lump all denim together. However, my younger family members help me understand that there are various grades of denim clothing, some of which they'd consider on-par with what you and I call Smart Casual, and even some that verge on Formal, again, if we were to respect the folks wearing it appropriately. -- bicker® |
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A Mon, 03 Jan 2005 04:16:45 GMT, Benjamin Smith
escribió: I'm for dressing to match personality, mood, ambiance, space, etc. So, I think the jeans everywhere and casual popularity isn't as interesting as people dressing to their various aspects of their personalities and presenting them in social situations. One thing I have noted is that folks who don't engage in a sub-culture often have difficulty seeing that it is a sub-culture and therefore often overlook the interesting aspects of it. For example, as you, I often lump all denim together. However, my younger family members help me understand that there are various grades of denim clothing, some of which they'd consider on-par with what you and I call Smart Casual, and even some that verge on Formal, again, if we were to respect the folks wearing it appropriately. -- bicker® |
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KAREN:
The ships where you can sit and enjoy the ocean are rare,the only places they have are usually on the sun deck,and not everyone can tolerate hot sun,last cruise only places to sit were so windy it was next to impossible to even sit on the sun deck. Only ships we know of left for sitting on promenade deck are HAL,& PRINCESS |
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KAREN:
The ships where you can sit and enjoy the ocean are rare,the only places they have are usually on the sun deck,and not everyone can tolerate hot sun,last cruise only places to sit were so windy it was next to impossible to even sit on the sun deck. Only ships we know of left for sitting on promenade deck are HAL,& PRINCESS |
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Remember the ship with the volley ball court,one was the NORWAY,and we
watched as PAT BOONE and his group played,and kept throwing the volleyballs over the side, |
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*bicker* wrote:
A Mon, 03 Jan 2005 04:16:45 GMT, Benjamin Smith escribió: I'm for dressing to match personality, mood, ambiance, space, etc. So, I think the jeans everywhere and casual popularity isn't as interesting as people dressing to their various aspects of their personalities and presenting them in social situations. One thing I have noted is that folks who don't engage in a sub-culture often have difficulty seeing that it is a sub-culture and therefore often overlook the interesting aspects of it. For example, as you, I often lump all denim together. However, my younger family members help me understand that there are various grades of denim clothing, some of which they'd consider on-par with what you and I call Smart Casual, and even some that verge on Formal, again, if we were to respect the folks wearing it appropriately. Not that I understand the subcultures but I understand the various grades of denim to some extent. A TV show I watch from time to time called "What Not to Wear" has explained and demonstrated different types of jean wear. I even saw a pair of jeans on someone today that I actually liked (on someone wearing a smart casual outfit). Still in all, they are denim, they are for the most part blue. And they are ubiquitous. But I'm encouraged. I went to Old Navy, a popular store, and saw plenty of colors and different types of fabrics. And I'm beginning to see in public places people wearing some of what I saw at the store. A nice break from the sea of denim and "Dockers" types of clothing, and the sea of black that many women favor to wear. Ben S. -- bicker® |
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Karen Segboer wrote:
Benjamin Smith wrote: Karen Segboer wrote: Cruise companies are in the money-making business. They want to draw as many of each generation as they can. Nothing wrong with that, doesn't bother me, and it's smart on their part. I find something wrong with an overemphasis on money making. That's what huge corporations who fund the building and operating of cruise ships want, though, Ben. Very little in business is as zen as you'd like it to be. Over the past few months I've had conversations with people from Asia and Africa where business is integrated into a concept of extended community service. The bottom line is striving for the well being of the community. These are very complex societies in some ways though they lack the material richness of Western societies. So, what I say isn't based on my wishes, but alternative ways of thinking about things. Now, we are not talking about the scale of finance that it takes to make fleets of ships, maintain them with efficiency, etc. And we are not talking about stock prices that encourage investments that provide more options for customers. I'm also not saying I find everything attractive in these societies, I actually admire the quality of mass production that some large companies have attained. All I'm saying is there's a balance of realizing what you provide to people and the legacy of what you produce and at the same time providing those that support your corporations with reasonably positive financial returns. Ben S. Karen http://www.cupcaked.com/reviews/pic.html ® |
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Karen Segboer wrote:
Benjamin Smith wrote: Karen Segboer wrote: Cruise companies are in the money-making business. They want to draw as many of each generation as they can. Nothing wrong with that, doesn't bother me, and it's smart on their part. I find something wrong with an overemphasis on money making. That's what huge corporations who fund the building and operating of cruise ships want, though, Ben. Very little in business is as zen as you'd like it to be. Over the past few months I've had conversations with people from Asia and Africa where business is integrated into a concept of extended community service. The bottom line is striving for the well being of the community. These are very complex societies in some ways though they lack the material richness of Western societies. So, what I say isn't based on my wishes, but alternative ways of thinking about things. Now, we are not talking about the scale of finance that it takes to make fleets of ships, maintain them with efficiency, etc. And we are not talking about stock prices that encourage investments that provide more options for customers. I'm also not saying I find everything attractive in these societies, I actually admire the quality of mass production that some large companies have attained. All I'm saying is there's a balance of realizing what you provide to people and the legacy of what you produce and at the same time providing those that support your corporations with reasonably positive financial returns. Ben S. Karen http://www.cupcaked.com/reviews/pic.html ® |
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In article , Surfer
E2468 wrote: Only ships we know of left for sitting on promenade deck are HAL,& PRINCESS Royal Caribbean has ships where you can sit on the promenade deck. Also Celebrity does too. -- Charles |
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