Why are foreigners who have never set foot in the US obsessed with how much and how we spend and how we spend our bucks on our excellent health care?

John Kulp writes:

Works doesn't it?

No, it does not.

John Kulp writes:

Heat exhaustion is treated here all the time during the summer.

Heat exhaustion does not kill. Hyperthermia does. Very rapid intervention is
required to treat acute hyperthermia.

On Aug 11, 11:46 am, (John Kulp) wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:26:42 +0200, Doesn't Frequently Mop



wrote:
Make credence recognised that on Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:10:23 GMT,
(John Kulp) has scripted:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:30:08 +0200, Doesn't Frequently Mop
wrote:

Make credence recognised that on Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:27:52 GMT,
(John Kulp) has scripted:

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:59:07 GMT, "William Black"
wrote:

Well no.

I get mine free.

Not what I remember you saying. Post the original message again and
let's see.

He said "But as I don't actually pay for them anyway...".
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Like I said, post the original message so we can all see what he
actually said.

Hardly genius. You would think this other cretin could at least
remember what he said for 5 minutes or so and post it. But, then,
that's asking too much of a cretin.

Now, boys. You got to squabbling among yourselves and forgot that
the reason for the original post: lies. Lots of transparent cross-
posted nonsensical lies, so some fool could infect the net with a meme
about the awfulterriblescaryevilbaaaaadness of "socialized"
medicine...

Time to get back to stomping the disinfo.

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:09:28 GMT, (John Kulp)
wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:27:32 +0200, Doesn't Frequently Mop
wrote:

Make credence recognised that on Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:19:08 GMT,
(John Kulp) has scripted:

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:09:56 +0200, Doesn't Frequently Mop
wrote:

Make credence recognised that on Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:38:45 -0700,
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On Aug 10, 3:10 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Doesn't Frequently Mop writes:
How many?

Enough to keep places like Starbucks and McDonalds in business. The ones who
complain the most about the U.S. often are also the ones who exhibit the most
slavish attempts to "be American."

Really? In what way do they attempt to "be American" ? What defines
"being American" in your mind? Drinking Coke in huge cups full of ice?
Lynching blacks? Sending money to Jim Bakker?

The bottom line is this: The world has adopted a great many American
things, but the health system isn't one of them.

Hardly. They have adopted many procedures and medicines (not to
mention training) from the US.

The US has also in turn adopted many procedures and medicines from
countries with public health systems. Non sequitur.
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Like what and where? How about giving examples that demonstrate
anywhere near the dependence worldwide medicine has on the US?

start with heart transplanrts. C. Barnard, South Africa

insulin. Best and Banting, Canada

International drug companies. GlaxoSmithKline, U.K. Sanofi-Aventis,
France. Novartis, Switzerland. F.Hoffman-La Roche, Switzerland.
Astra-Zeneca, Great Britain/Sweden.

hemodialysis. Willem Kolff, Netherlands

cataract extraction, modern. Jacques Daviel, France

intraocular lens placement, Sir Harold Ridley, U.K.

cardiac catheterization, Werner Forssmann, Germany

radiology, Roentgen, Germany

computed tomography, Hounsfield, U.K.

M.R.I, Lauterbur&Mansfield, U.S.A/U.K

E.K.G, Wilhelm Einthoven, Netherlands

discovery of blood groups, Landsteiner, Austria

Penicillin, Fleming, U.K.

discovery of DNA, Watson and Crick, U.K/U.S.A (work done in the U.K.)

H.pylori and relation to gastric disease, Marshall and Warren,
Australia

electrophoresis, Tiselius, Sweden

chromatography, partition and GL, Martin and Synge, U.K.

just a few to get you started.

While it is true that the U.S.A. contributes greatly to medical
science, it is not even close to the amount that you would like to
believe.

GK

On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 01:18:01 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:



I meant, of course, someone who cannot pay, but you probably couldn't
figure that out.

You were the one who wrote something other than what you claim to have meant.

I should have known you wouldn't be intelligent enough to figure out
what I meant.


They are so. That is exactly what the law requires and your comment
is, again, stupid.

May I see a pointer to the law in question?

Sure. Start here http://www.facs.org/ahp/views/emtala2.html


If they can't refuse to treat you but you can't
pay, how are they not obligated to do it for free.

They can take you to court to force you to pay.

Can't pay means can't pay whether they take you to court or not.


Private companies and the government.

Where does their money come from?

You cut out something here so I have no idea what this refers to
anymore.


No France just lets thousands of elderly die in a heat wave because
they are on vacation.

Many died because of a lack of air conditioning.

That's what causes heat exhaustion that you treat medically ace.


So you cretin, all tests by definition are unnecessary so you don't
bother to do any screening tests like for prostrate cancer then huh?

Many screening tests actually do not reduce mortality or morbidity.

Well, that's a great reason not to do those that do isn't it?


I don't remember.

If my relatives did not have a $3000 bill, your son's friend had no such drug.

Why would I remember some dumb drug that Europe allows that
no one would prescribe here?

Because using it as a basis for your argument without even knowing its name
essentially negates any useful effect of that argument.

Bull****. There are all kinds of dangerous drugs that doctors know
about that layman don't. Not knowing some drug brought in from
overseas that fits that category according to a medical specialist
doesn't negate anything.

On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 01:20:20 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

John Kulp writes:

That's what indigent means ace.

Indigent is simply a synonym for poor. You can be poor with assets.

What it means is "lacking food, clothing, and other necessities of
life because of poverty; needy; poor; impoverished." Which is the
basis for getting care free, not some bull**** you make up.


In any case, that's not important. Even if you have nothing, a hospital can
still take you to court to try to force you to pay.

They cannot. They are forbidden from doing that and would be stupid
to do so in any case because they would collect nothing.

On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 01:21:39 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

John Kulp writes:

Heat exhaustion is treated here all the time during the summer.

Heat exhaustion does not kill. Hyperthermia does. Very rapid intervention is
required to treat acute hyperthermia.

Boy, you are a bizarre cretin. Heat exhaustion can lead to heat
stroke that can kill. Here, read for yourself to alleviate at least
some of your complete ignorance.
http://www.lni.wa.gov/WISHA/hazalerts/Heatstress.pdf

Mxsmanic wrote:

David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) writes:

You're playing, and I'm not interested in your sex life.

I think you'll find that you're the one to bring up sex, not me.

I think you'll find it was and you are a joke.

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007

Make credence recognised that on Sun, 12 Aug 2007 01:43:35 GMT, grant
kinsley has scripted:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:09:28 GMT, (John Kulp)
wrote:

Like what and where? How about giving examples that demonstrate
anywhere near the dependence worldwide medicine has on the US?

start with heart transplanrts. C. Barnard, South Africa

insulin. Best and Banting, Canada

International drug companies. GlaxoSmithKline, U.K. Sanofi-Aventis,
France. Novartis, Switzerland. F.Hoffman-La Roche, Switzerland.
Astra-Zeneca, Great Britain/Sweden.

hemodialysis. Willem Kolff, Netherlands

cataract extraction, modern. Jacques Daviel, France

intraocular lens placement, Sir Harold Ridley, U.K.

cardiac catheterization, Werner Forssmann, Germany

radiology, Roentgen, Germany

computed tomography, Hounsfield, U.K.

M.R.I, Lauterbur&Mansfield, U.S.A/U.K

E.K.G, Wilhelm Einthoven, Netherlands

discovery of blood groups, Landsteiner, Austria

Penicillin, Fleming, U.K.

discovery of DNA, Watson and Crick, U.K/U.S.A (work done in the U.K.)

H.pylori and relation to gastric disease, Marshall and Warren,
Australia

electrophoresis, Tiselius, Sweden

chromatography, partition and GL, Martin and Synge, U.K.

just a few to get you started.

While it is true that the U.S.A. contributes greatly to medical
science, it is not even close to the amount that you would like to
believe.

Thanks for doing the legwork I was too lazy to do, but even if Mr Kulp
reads that, it will not change his mind.
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Make credence recognised that on Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:22:17 GMT,
(John Kulp) has scripted:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:25:46 +0200, Doesn't Frequently Mop
wrote:

Yes, I could point out the numerous things that the USA has acquired
from the outside world, but from experience that is a complete waste
of time, because Americans are too damn proud to accept that America
is just another country, like every other.

If you can, why don't you babbler? And I have no problem accepting
that America is just another country. I would just love to leave you
cretins on you own to solve your own problems. Like Bosnia. Did a
great job there without us didn't you? How many got slaughtered there
again?

I can't believe you had to resort to that.

Actually I can, which is why I didn't feel like engaging in a sensible
debate in the first place.
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