DC-9 (and other regional aircraft) Trans-Pacific/Atlantic?

How are regional aircraft such as the Airbus A319/320 and the older
DC-9's brought through long distances aross the pacific/atlantic from
Europe or North America for delivery to airlines in Asia? As those
aircraft definitely can't cross the Pacific or the Atlantic nonstop,
what are the refeuelling points along the way? I'm curious as to how
Cebu Pacific (5J) in the Philippines brought over thier DC-9's leased
from Air Canada and thier new A319/320's from Airbus (which are to
replace the DC-9's)

I thought they put an extra fuel tank inside the fuselage

Mel3k wrote:

How are regional aircraft such as the Airbus A319/320 and the older
DC-9's brought through long distances aross the pacific/atlantic from
Europe or North America for delivery to airlines in Asia? As those
aircraft definitely can't cross the Pacific or the Atlantic nonstop,
what are the refeuelling points along the way? I'm curious as to how
Cebu Pacific (5J) in the Philippines brought over thier DC-9's leased
from Air Canada and thier new A319/320's from Airbus (which are to
replace the DC-9's)


They are "ferried" over, for these shorter - range craft there are multiple
stops along the way Extra fuel tanks may also be fitted to extend the range
of the aircraft...

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Best
Greg

Gregory Morrow wrote:
Mel3k wrote:


How are regional aircraft such as the Airbus A319/320 and the older
DC-9's brought through long distances aross the pacific/atlantic from
Europe or North America for delivery to airlines in Asia? As those
aircraft definitely can't cross the Pacific or the Atlantic nonstop,
what are the refeuelling points along the way? I'm curious as to how
Cebu Pacific (5J) in the Philippines brought over thier DC-9's leased
from Air Canada and thier new A319/320's from Airbus (which are to
replace the DC-9's)



They are "ferried" over, for these shorter - range craft there are multiple
stops along the way Extra fuel tanks may also be fitted to extend the range
of the aircraft...

Gander in Canada, Thule in Greenland and Keflavik in Iceland have been
used as refueling points already before the jet age.

How are regional aircraft such as the Airbus A319/320 and the older
DC-9's brought through long distances aross the pacific/atlantic from
Europe or North America for delivery to airlines in Asia?

They do put in extra fuel tanks, and the range of a plane with just a
crew and no passengers or cargo is considerably greater than the
nominal range. Atlantic is no problem, Gander - Iceland - Ireland,
Pacific is somewhat harder but still doable via Anchorage, maybe Dutch
Harbor, and these days probably Vladivostok or somewhere else is the
Russian far east.

If you can find the classic "Emergency! Crisis in the Cockpit", the
first story is of a Cessna 188 (a very small plane) that got lost on
the way from the US to Australia due to a failed compass, and how they
found it.

R's,
John

valtsu wrote:

Gander in Canada, Thule in Greenland and Keflavik in Iceland have been
used as refueling points already before the jet age.


Yep, this was "perfected" during WWII...

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Best
Greg

"Mel3k" wrote in message
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How are regional aircraft such as the Airbus A319/320 and the older
DC-9's brought through long distances aross the pacific/atlantic from
Europe or North America for delivery to airlines in Asia? As those
aircraft definitely can't cross the Pacific or the Atlantic nonstop,
what are the refeuelling points along the way? I'm curious as to how
Cebu Pacific (5J) in the Philippines brought over thier DC-9's leased
from Air Canada and thier new A319/320's from Airbus (which are to
replace the DC-9's)

As for the DC9's, seats are removed and replaced by fuel tanks, which are
connected to the main tanks. When the planes get to their destination, the
fuel tanks are removed and the seats re-installed.

The longest distance is between the U.S. West Coast and Hawaii; the rest of
the way they can easily island hop (Wake Island, Guam, Manila, for example)

And the Airbus 319/320's have adequate range to easily do SFO/LAX-HNL.

Mel3k wrote:
How are regional aircraft such as the Airbus A319/320 and the older
DC-9's brought through long distances aross the pacific/atlantic from
Europe or North America for delivery to airlines in Asia? As those
aircraft definitely can't cross the Pacific or the Atlantic nonstop,
what are the refeuelling points along the way? I'm curious as to how
Cebu Pacific (5J) in the Philippines brought over thier DC-9's leased
from Air Canada and thier new A319/320's from Airbus (which are to
replace the DC-9's)


The Atlantic is fairly easy. Newfoundland, Greenland, Iceland, Eire do
in in fairly easy steps. Since you can get from Europe to the western
Pacific by short hops there is no need to run the Pacific unless it is
easier. Hawaii would be the likely problem. Hawaii might be easier
from the western Pacific.

How are regional aircraft such as the Airbus A319/320 and the older
DC-9's brought through long distances aross the pacific/atlantic from
Europe or North America for delivery to airlines in Asia?

It's pretty easy to "hop" between most points on the planet providing you
don't mind stopping to refuel.

If you ever read Airways magazine they frequently have articles about these
delivery flights. They're usually a fun read. Recent examples that spring
to mind are an article about Frontier taking delivery of an Airbus and
flying it from France to Denver (no paying passengers - Just Frontier
employees on a jaunt) and a new Flying Skidoo turboprop hopping its way to
Scandinavia. These articles always seem to include a required picture on a
life raft strapped to one of the seat rows

Geoff Glave
Vancouver, Canada

they can easily island hop (Wake Island, Guam, Manila, for example)

Isn't Wake Island runway on the brink of closure, and threatening to
make 2 engine overflights take lengthy diversions so as to stay within
reach of emergency landing airports?