Some Rental Cars Are Keeping Tabs on the Drivers

In article ,
Scott in Aztlán newsgroup wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:21:14 -0000, () wrote:

In article ,
Paul O wrote:

You don't read the contract - you don't deserve any sympathy!!

Ok, next time you rent a car be sure to stand their reading the
entire contract before you sign. Don't worry about all those
people in line cussing at you.

Or you can join the Hertz #1 Club Gold - they let you print out the contract
(all 58 pages of it) when you first sign up.

58 pages? I've never signed a rental contract that was more than
three pages.

--
Matthew T. Russotto
"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit of
a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.

In article ,
wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:52:32 -0600,
(Matthew Russotto) wrote:


In the laws and regulations of the 50 states.


Can you cite any specific statutes for any of the 50 states?

Or is this the product of your personal knowledge base?

California: CVC 6700

New Jersey: 39:3-15



--
Matthew T. Russotto
"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit of
a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:54:44 -0600, (Matthew
Russotto) wrote:

In article ,
wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:52:32 -0600,
(Matthew Russotto) wrote:


In the laws and regulations of the 50 states.


Can you cite any specific statutes for any of the 50 states?

Or is this the product of your personal knowledge base?

California: CVC 6700

New Jersey: 39:3-15

Are you just posting numbers or do you read before you post?

CVC 7600 is about registration of vehicles and does not address insurance,
let alone the issue of self insurance by bond in another state.

Matthew Russotto wrote:

In article ,
Arthur L. Rubin wrote:

Due to various constitutional provisions, Congress could NOT require
one state to recognize another state's drivers' license

Certainly it could. Both the full faith and credit clause and the
interstate commerce clause could be brought into play here.

Interstate commerce -- possibly. "Full faith and credit" -- no.

According to Alex Rodriguez :
In article , says...

But in New York, last I checked, there's a statute that makes the owner
liable for the conduct of the driver. This might not make much practical
difference where the owner is Joe Car Owner (because it's unlikely that
accident victims will pursue him beyond the policy limits to take his meager
assets), but it makes a huge difference in the exposure of a company like
Hertz or Avis.

I recall this became a big deal with car leasing companies in NY state.
You can no longer lease a car in NY state the same way you could in the
past. Now they have other deals similar to leasing, but slightly different
to avoid this. I read the reason this law was enacted was to protect
chauffers from getting sued for following their bosses orders. This is
a really old law which really needs to be removed from the books.

The statute also prevents taxicab companies from being immune
when one of their drivers in a leased cab is liable for an
accident. The concept is that no legal form (leasing in this
case, lots of little sub-companies in another) should be
allowed to shield the constructive owner.

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:57:56 -0600, Matthew Russotto wrote:

In article , Scott in
Aztlán newsgroup wrote:

Or you can join the Hertz #1 Club Gold - they let you print out the
contract (all 58 pages of it) when you first sign up.

58 pages? I've never signed a rental contract that was more than three
pages.

THe 58 page version covers all of the local laws in the jurisdictions
Hertz operates. The three page one you get at the rental counter covers
only that specific jurisdiction.

And, yes, when I signed up for Hertz #1 Gold I read the entire 58 pages,
and have read the yearly updates.

--
-Brian James Macke
"In order to get that which you wish for, you must first get that which
builds it." -- Unknown

In article ,
doubter wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:54:44 -0600, (Matthew
Russotto) wrote:

In article ,
wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:52:32 -0600,
(Matthew Russotto) wrote:


In the laws and regulations of the 50 states.


Can you cite any specific statutes for any of the 50 states?

Or is this the product of your personal knowledge base?

California: CVC 6700

New Jersey: 39:3-15

Are you just posting numbers or do you read before you post?

CVC 7600 is about registration of vehicles and does not address insurance,
let alone the issue of self insurance by bond in another state.

Section 6700 says a nonresident may operate a vehicle registered in
another state. This overrides Section 16020 demanding insurance. Or
do you claim that a nonresident operator needs _California_ insurance?
Self-insurance is not treated differently.


--
Matthew T. Russotto
"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit of
a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:55:17 -0600, (Matthew
Russotto) wrote:

Section 6700 says a nonresident may operate a vehicle registered in
another state. This overrides Section 16020 demanding insurance. Or
do you claim that a nonresident operator needs _California_ insurance?
Self-insurance is not treated differently.

Matthew, you are VERY good at avoiding the question. You again say
"Self-insurance is not treated differently" which is where the "provide a
citation" subthread started. You have yet to offer even a hint that a
bond posted with one state is accepted by another state as proof of
financial responsibility.

I don't know one way or the other and would like to see an authoritative
answer. A casual dismissal is hardly that.

To state the issue again:

Can someone provide a reference that addresses interstate reciprocity for
automobile self insurance obtained by posting a bond with the state of
residence (or in which one does business).

Me wrote in message ...
In article , (R.K.) wrote:



I guess this Mr. Son doesn't travel much. Disallowing a rental car
to cross state lines is a common practice with rental agents.

I've been renting cars for over 20 years, and the only time I ever
encountered any restrictions on where I could drive was at the counter
in San Diego, where they made it _very_ clear that you needed to
purchase extra special Mexician insurance if you wanted to drive the
car across the border. And,at that, they allowed you to take the car
over there, they just wanted to make sure you (and their car) was
properly insured.

Not that I would recommend driving a car into Mexico (or Tijuana at
any rate). Aside from the poor roads (although California's are
rapidly approaching the same state), risk of car break-in, etc., you
have to get stuck in a horrendous traffic jam at the border for the
customs and security check. Leaving the US is easy. Getting back in
is harder. Far better to just park you car at one of the many lots at
the border, and use the pedestrian crossing. And the wait to re-enter
the States is is faster via the predestrian route, too.


I have
rented cars many times and the rental agent has always informed me
about this limitation verbally. What's new is that the rental agency
is now tracking their cars remotely, but that is their right. Mr.
Son should have asked about any limitations when he arranged for
the rental car.

In article ,
doubter wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:55:17 -0600, (Matthew
Russotto) wrote:

Section 6700 says a nonresident may operate a vehicle registered in
another state. This overrides Section 16020 demanding insurance. Or
do you claim that a nonresident operator needs _California_ insurance?
Self-insurance is not treated differently.

Matthew, you are VERY good at avoiding the question. You again say
"Self-insurance is not treated differently" which is where the "provide a
citation" subthread started. You have yet to offer even a hint that a
bond posted with one state is accepted by another state as proof of
financial responsibility.

I don't claim it is. Instead, I claim that one may drive one's own
vehicle in a state other than one's own without satisfying that other
state's financial responsibility requirement.
--
Matthew T. Russotto
"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit of
a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.