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Daylight flight between LHR and LAX
"LVTravel" wrote in message ... "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... "ariopp" wrote in message ... Hi, I am a practicing Orthodox Jew and wish to travel form LHR to LAX on Friday 8 February 2008. There is a BA flight round about 10am & a Virgin flight at 11.30am. The flying time is just over 11 hours. If I catch either of these flights I will arrive in LAX well before the Sabbath commences in LAX. However, my Rabbi has said that I should check on the route the flight takes as it may go far enough North to actually encounter a time of darkness thus meaning that the Sabbath has already "arrived". Could you please advise if either of these flights do? Not in June. In the northern latitudes the sun doesnt set until after 10 PM local time and youll be there around noon local time Keith HE'S NOT LEAVING IN JUNE, he is leaving February 8th. OK I misread , he'll still be in northern latitudes and noon local time. I have flown that route MANY times in summer and winter and have never seen sunset. Keith PS No need to shout |
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Roland Perry writes:
I would presume that the OP is also not supposed to take a ride in a car/taxi/bus etc on the Sabbath. If you add in the time taken for the immigration/customs process, and realise that it's an awful long walk from LAX airport to anywhere in the city, then much of a delay on the later flight could start getting tricky. I have also met orthodox Jews who aren't allowed to handle money on the Sabbath, so unless the OP is staying with friends he will have needed to check into a hotel by sunset as well. Why not just change the date of the flight, if observing the Sabbath is so important? |
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Roland Perry writes:
Isn't that what faith is all about? That depends on which faith you have in mind. Faith in a religion doesn't necessarily imply faith in other practitioners of the religion. I've always wondered what will happen if the rabbis are wrong, and the commandments are not being correctly followed in consequence. Given the extremely convoluted nature of the reasoning sometimes applied by rabbis, I'd be very surprised if they got it all right in even a minority of instances. |
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"Mr. Travel" wrote in message news ariopp wrote: Hi, I am a practicing Orthodox Jew and wish to travel form LHR to LAX on Friday 8 February 2008. There is a BA flight round about 10am & a Virgin flight at 11.30am. The flying time is just over 11 hours. If I catch either of these flights I will arrive in LAX well before the Sabbath commences in LAX. However, my Rabbi has said that I should check on the route the flight takes as it may go far enough North to actually encounter a time of darkness thus meaning that the Sabbath has already "arrived". Could you please advise if either of these flights do? Unusual question but I think quite interesting.... Thanks in advance for all the help! When is your return date? How do you plan to avoid darkness on the return. What about flight delays. The return flight would only be an issue if it departed on Friday. Any other day of the week is not an issue. Most of my flying from Heathrow to the west coast has been on early flights (largely because I lived near the airport and preferred to get my travelling done early). There was on occasion when we caught the 1530 BA flight and by the time we had completed the flight and got to a LAX airport hotel it was dark. Other than that I cannot remember an occasion when it got dark en route or soon after arrival. I would caution about some of the calculations mentioned here based on great circle routes. Whilst most of my flights have followed a similar routing there was one occasion when the flight went overhead Vancouver (Canada) and then all the way down the west coast instead of crossing the border somewhere near Winnipeg and that will have had some effect on the routing over Greenland etc. However, even on that occasion I do not remember darkness (or sunset) |
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:25:11 -0000, "Graham Harrison"
wrote: Whilst most of my flights have followed a similar routing there was one occasion when the flight went overhead Vancouver (Canada) and then all the way down the west coast instead of crossing the border somewhere near Winnipeg BA's 269 LHR to LAX takes that route about once every three months regular as clockwork I would like to know why . |
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In message , at 16:16:35 on
Sat, 19 Jan 2008, Mxsmanic remarked: Isn't that what faith is all about? That depends on which faith you have in mind. Faith in a religion doesn't necessarily imply faith in other practitioners of the religion. I've always wondered what will happen if the rabbis are wrong, and the commandments are not being correctly followed in consequence. Given the extremely convoluted nature of the reasoning sometimes applied by rabbis, I'd be very surprised if they got it all right in even a minority of instances. This is getting very off-topic, but surely no-one can be criticised for following the instructions of their faith's official practitioners, in fact isn't having faith in that situation what it's supposed to be all about? -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry writes:
This is getting very off-topic, but surely no-one can be criticised for following the instructions of their faith's official practitioners, in fact isn't having faith in that situation what it's supposed to be all about? Judaism doesn't have a formal clergy. |
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Daylight flight between LHR and LAX
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:49:07 -0000, "Gerald Oliver Swift"
wrote: "ariopp" wrote in message ... Hi, I am a practicing Orthodox Jew and wish to travel form LHR to LAX on Friday 8 February 2008. There is a BA flight round about 10am & a Virgin flight at 11.30am. The flying time is just over 11 hours. If I catch either of these flights I will arrive in LAX well before the Sabbath commences in LAX. However, my Rabbi has said that I should check on the route the flight takes as it may go far enough North to actually encounter a time of darkness thus meaning that the Sabbath has already "arrived". Could you please advise if either of these flights do? You can depart LHR on Friday anytime between 06.00 and 15.30 and still arrive in LAX before Saturday. WTF has darkness got to do with it? The Sabbath begins at 00.01am on Saturday. Gerry Must be a Christian; showing the usual insensitivity to others' ideas of how their version "god" runs the universe: To an orthodox jew, Sabbath begins at *sunset*. Probably to observant Moslems also as I understand things. Used to be for Christians too since the "god" of the bible reckons time by sunrise and sunset. Not everyone's invisible friend uses the same clock as Gerry's. Jim P. |
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:24:46 -0800, Mr Travel
wrote: Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 23:45:47 on Fri, 18 Jan 2008, Mr. Travel remarked: How do you plan to avoid darkness on the return. Hence my question. If it were a concern on the outbound, the oubound should have booked to avoid the possibility. Due to early winter sunset times, and the chance for delays, getting to your destination hotel before sunset, and avoiding areas during the flight that were past sunset, was not assured. As his rabbi pointed out, that's not the only problem. Flights from LAX and SFO to London take a polar great circle route that passes well north, usually over northern Greenland. Even in the summer twilight is reached in the far north. In the winter it's probably a certainty that any such flight, day or night, will at some point enter night in the far north, triggering the start of the Sabbath. -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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