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Istanbul and Gallipoli
On 4 Jun, 13:57, grusl wrote:
On Jun 4, 4:53 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 13:49, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 4:33 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 13:27, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 3:22 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" wrote: I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother. I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics won't come out). In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options. I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well.. My brief research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text - Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category. The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost yet. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of London.... Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / Pamukkale are much more interesting- I'm sure Gallipoli is larger than Westminster. Anyway, I think London is overrated. ....Gallipoli is a large field,zzzzzzz, but if you insist on going at least drop in on the Turks as well, it'll make your driver happy- Hide quoted text - Westminster is a large church zzzzzzzzzzz indeed, and thats about 30 minutes of site seeing for no extra effort. I imagine I will see the occasional Turk with a week in Istanbul. ah, but they wont buried in a field....- Hide quoted text - SHUT UP Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore enjoy Gelibolu......zzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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On 4 Jun, 12:32, Jack Campin - bogus address
wrote: I have only limited interest in watching Aussies trying to persuade themselves they're having a deeply meaningful experience. yep, that was my impression too.... |
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Istanbul and Gallipoli
On Jun 4, 5:06*pm, Norman Spiney wrote:
On 4 Jun, 13:57, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 4:53 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 13:49, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 4:33 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 13:27, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 3:22 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" wrote: I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother. I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics won't come out). In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options. I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text - Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category. The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost yet. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of London.... Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / *Pamukkale are much more interesting- I'm sure Gallipoli is larger than Westminster. Anyway, I think London is overrated. ....Gallipoli is a large field,zzzzzzz, but if you insist on going at least drop in on the Turks as well, it'll make your driver happy- Hide quoted text - Westminster is a large church zzzzzzzzzzz indeed, and thats about 30 minutes of site seeing for no extra effort. I imagine I will see the occasional Turk with a week in Istanbul. ah, but they wont buried in a field....- Hide quoted text - SHUT UP Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore enjoy Gelibolu......zzzzzzzzzzzzzz- Hide quoted text - enjoy Belgium zzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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On 4 Jun, 14:19, grusl wrote:
On Jun 4, 5:06 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 13:57, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 4:53 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 13:49, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 4:33 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 13:27, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 3:22 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" wrote: I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother. I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics won't come out). In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options. I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text - Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category. The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost yet. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of London.... Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / Pamukkale are much more interesting- I'm sure Gallipoli is larger than Westminster. Anyway, I think London is overrated. ....Gallipoli is a large field,zzzzzzz, but if you insist on going at least drop in on the Turks as well, it'll make your driver happy- Hide quoted text - Westminster is a large church zzzzzzzzzzz indeed, and thats about 30 minutes of site seeing for no extra effort. |
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I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli
all that time and expense just to see some graves ?! That's a pretty tasteless comment. Those graves mean a lot to those visiting Gallipoli, particularly Australians and New Zealanders, who lost many men there. Tours there are becoming increasingly popular, particularly in the lead up to the centenary of the battle. I grew up in New Zealand, so I'm well aware of the connotations of Anzac Day. That was long enough ago that the guys leading the parade were veterans of the Boer War. Much of this Gallipoli nostalgia has developed since then. It's a synthetic reactionary culture industry, and the people who have fallen into it mostly don't know what they're buying into. Back when I was a kid, the celebrations were used for rallying support for NZ's battalion of hired killers in Vietnam, and anybody who thinks it couldn't be used the same way again just isn't thinking. (The "support the troops" nonsense in the US is much like what I grew up with in Kiwi hickdom - commemorations of the veterans of past wars are used to silence any voices that might suggest those fighting the present ones are a bunch of mercenary thugs who deserve whatever they get). The good thing is that it is kindling an interest in history, even the bad bits. Is it now? How many of those Aussie Gallipoli tourists ever get to find out about the other end of the Turkish front in Mesopotamia, where Britain was engaged in a war to expropriate Iraq's oil before there even was an Iraq? How many of them get to find out about the way the Turkish state used this campaign and Ataturk's role in it to impose a fascist leader cult and crush democracy? War tourism's main function is to put up screens around the bits of history that might genuinely illuminate what's happening today. It shows you the truth, but nothing like the whole truth, or enough of the truth to threaten the governing elites that fund the battlefield museums. BTW, the Holocaust industry is not very different - there is a book called "The Holocaust and Modern Memory" that documents how it came about. It didn't develop naturally and directly out of the experience of WW2 - most of it was created by the state of Israel after 1967 as a way of furthering its foreign policy objectives. ==== j a c k at c a m p i n . m e . u k === http://www.campin.me.uk ==== Jack Campin, 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland == mob 07800 739 557 CD-ROMs and free stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, and Mac logic fonts |
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On 4 Jun, 11:22, Norman Spiney wrote:
On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" wrote: I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother. I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics won't come out). In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options. I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text - Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category. The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost yet. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of London.... Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / *Pamukkale are much more interesting- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That depends on one's interests. Gallipoli is fascinating assuming you're not just there for the scenery. Goreme is terrific for the scenery of course. Pergamon is well beaten, in my view, by several other archeological sites you haven't even mentioned. And don't forget Troy while at Gallipoli. Pamukkale was one of my disappointments, if anything. Horses for courses. Surreyman |
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On 4 Jun, 12:03, "Viviane" wrote:
That's a pretty tasteless comment. *Those graves mean a lot to those visiting Gallipoli, particularly Australians and New Zealanders, who lost many men there. *Tours there are becoming increasingly popular, particularly in the lead up to the centenary of the battle. *The good thing is that it is kindling an interest in history, even the bad bits. If you are not from Australia, it is hard to understand the devastation caused by the first world war. *Remember that these were mainly young men who volunteered to join, purely out of patriotism to help fight a war at the other end of the world. *Back then, it took months by sea to get there. Many families lost all their men. *Many small towns lost many of their young men. *All this from a small growing nation. I could go on and on. "Norman Spiney" wrote in message ... On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" wrote: I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother.. I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics won't come out). In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options. I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hear, hear! Surreyman |
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On 4 Jun, 15:59, Surreyman wrote:
On 4 Jun, 11:22, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" wrote: I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother. I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics won't come out). In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options. I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments.. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text - Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category. The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost yet. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of London.... Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / Pamukkale are much more interesting- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That depends on one's interests. Gallipoli is fascinating assuming you're not just there for the scenery. Goreme is terrific for the scenery of course. Pergamon is well beaten, in my view, by several other archeological sites you haven't even mentioned. And don't forget Troy while at Gallipoli. Pamukkale was one of my disappointments, if anything. Horses for courses. Surreyman Pergamon is well beaten, in my view, Pergamon was great because it was devoid of tourists. by several other archeological sites you haven't even mentioned. exactly, theres a **** load of stuff better than Gallipoli what was wrong with Pamukkale ? |
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On 4 Jun, 16:02, Surreyman wrote:
On 4 Jun, 12:03, "Viviane" wrote: That's a pretty tasteless comment. Those graves mean a lot to those visiting Gallipoli, particularly Australians and New Zealanders, who lost many men there. Tours there are becoming increasingly popular, particularly in the lead up to the centenary of the battle. The good thing is that it is kindling an interest in history, even the bad bits. If you are not from Australia, it is hard to understand the devastation caused by the first world war. Remember that these were mainly young men who volunteered to join, purely out of patriotism to help fight a war at the other end of the world. Back then, it took months by sea to get there. Many families lost all their men. Many small towns lost many of their young men. All this from a small growing nation. I could go on and on. "Norman Spiney" wrote in message ... On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" wrote: I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother. I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics won't come out). In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options. I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hear, hear! Surreyman ...you bought that **** too... |
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Viviane wrote:
If you are not from Australia, it is hard to understand the devastation caused by the first world war. Yeah, I'm sure those British, Belgians, French, and Germans (to name just a few) find it particularly hard to understand. Particularly the Belgians and French, with Ypres/Ieper and Verdun. |
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