No chinese books in Bali!

I saw this on an episode of Globetrecker on PBS. Why would that be so? BG

On 15 Sep 2003 01:40:27 GMT, the renowned oads
(BillKirch) wrote:

I saw this on an episode of Globetrecker on PBS. Why would that be so? BG

Dunno, but some years ago customs in Taiwan was preventing entry of
Japanese (or was it Korean?) newspapers. shrug

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oads (BillKirch) wrote in message ...
I saw this on an episode of Globetrecker on PBS. Why would that be so? BG

Actually, I heard that Chinese books are banned in the whole of
Indonesia, not only Bali. I knew a guy from Indonesia who is ethnic
Chinese, but he has an Indonesian name, I think he is not allowed to
use his Chinese name. Most Chinese who grew up in Indonesia probably
does not know how to read or write in Chinese.

Quoting oads (BillKirch) regarding No chinese books in Bali!
in a message dated 15 Sep 2003 01:40:27 GMT:

I saw this on an episode of Globetrecker on PBS. Why would that be so? BG

It's "holdover" legislation from the Soeharto regime. Apparently, there was
some concern about the rise in Chinese influence over Islam. The legislation is
apparently no longer necessary as Soeharto is gone, but hasn't been lifted off
the books yet either.



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On 15 Sep 2003 02:13:20 -0700, (alyssa) wrote:

Actually, I heard that Chinese books are banned in the whole of
Indonesia, not only Bali. I knew a guy from Indonesia who is ethnic
Chinese, but he has an Indonesian name, I think he is not allowed to
use his Chinese name. Most Chinese who grew up in Indonesia probably
does not know how to read or write in Chinese.

most people in singapore don't know how to chew gum......

"fffggggg" wrote in message
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On 15 Sep 2003 02:13:20 -0700, (alyssa) wrote:

Actually, I heard that Chinese books are banned in the whole of
Indonesia, not only Bali. I knew a guy from Indonesia who is ethnic
Chinese, but he has an Indonesian name, I think he is not allowed to
use his Chinese name. Most Chinese who grew up in Indonesia probably
does not know how to read or write in Chinese.

most people in singapore don't know how to chew gum......

Nor do you. You have galvanized your stomach and brain by it.

oads (BillKirch) wrote in message ...
I saw this on an episode of Globetrecker on PBS. Why would that be so? BG

And what this got to do with 'travel'?

If you want to provocate a fight, do it elsewhere!

(alyssa) wrote in message . com...
Actually, I heard that Chinese books are banned in the whole of
Indonesia, not only Bali. I knew a guy from Indonesia who is ethnic
Chinese, but he has an Indonesian name,

Easier to pronounce and remember by the locals.

Ever wondered on the names likes "Bruce Lee", "Jet Li", "Jackie Chan",
and so on show up?

I think he is not allowed to
use his Chinese name.

Nah... If you look at some Indonesian newspapers, you will see many
obituaries in newspapers about people with Chinese names. It always
been like that, even in the New Order era (which is relatively much
more peaceful than the Reformation era).

Of course unless you think that those obituaries are a list of
'victims'.

Most Chinese who grew up in Indonesia probably
does not know how to read or write in Chinese.

And probably don't even know that there are Chinese in the first
place, they ceased to become Chinese Chinese and become Indonesian
Chinese. Indonesia is a melting pot of people from many cultures,
people interact and over on, forget their ancestors. If I said that
I'm a descendant of Adam and Eve, will I be laughed and discriminated
because of my Adamic lineage?

Quoting oads (BillKirch) regarding No chinese books
in Bali!
in a message dated 15 Sep 2003 01:40:27 GMT:
I saw this on an episode of Globetrecker on PBS. Why would that be so? BG

mag3 wrote in message . ..
It's "holdover" legislation from the Soeharto regime.

Well... It's what 'they' told Suharto to do when he was President,
obviously in the last few years of his presidency, he wasn't very
obidient to 'them', that's why 'they' pressured him to come down by
creating a nationwide riot in May 1998.

It should be noted many if not most Indonesians are Chinese related,
the blending are so tight that many Chinese descended Indonesians
seems to forget that they are Chinese.

The ones who are considered as Chinese these days generally are the
Chinese that are just newly immigrated.

Apparently, there was
some concern about the rise in Chinese influence over Islam.

Considering the fact that many Chinese in indonesia are muslims.

The legislation is
apparently no longer necessary as Soeharto is gone,
but hasn't been lifted off
the books yet either.

It's because it wasn't Suharto who wanted there in the first place, it
was 'them'. Suharto is only 'their' 'tool'.

And what this got to do with 'travel'?

If you want to provocate a fight, do it elsewhere!

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UUUUhhhhh.... Maybe because it was on a TRAVEL show? And if you TRAVEL there,
it may be something you should be made aware of. I thought it was strange . I
wasn't trying to "provoke " a fight. SORRY if it wasn't an idiot question about
the best place to get Gellato in Rome. Maybe thats more your speed. BG

yes it is still hard to find chinese books in indonesia. it has
something to do with the political era in the past, the government didnt
want to have anything that connect with the communism (in this case,
mainland china) so they banned all that in chinese words, then they
didnt allow anything that link with that including chinese names and
chinese ritual. i studied chinese and my teachers had to smuggle few
books from taiwan, hong kong and mainland china and the students would
copy them.



but if you see things nowaday, this present government is softer.
indonesia now celebrate chinese new year, allow them to do their
rituals. slowly i believe books and others will be okay in indonesia.



have a nice day, anggraeni


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