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2008 Cruise Prices Falling??
Not from what I've found. At Christmas Dinner my family opened up
discussions about a family group cruise (what would have been 22 people) in 2008 - Month of July. I began my internet research (as well as my Trusty Cruise Master Travel Agent) for R/T out of NYC. First of all regular balcony cabins ranged in price from $1900 - $2800 p/p. Inside cabins $1400 p/p. 3&4th pax. $1000. I should also add that these prices are for 8 & 9 days - not 7. On top of that all group space is gone gone gone. Only individual cabin space is available and limited. First of all I can't believe sailing out of NYC & NJ is $800 - $1800 more expensive p/p then sailing out of Florida. But hey, the cruise lines are getting it. Then adding a fuel surcharge on top of that. If the cruise lines know how popular this port is and obviously get the money they are charging why not add a few more ships in & out of NY? I was really amazed how few ships and options there were into and out of NY/NJ. If these ships are sold out (or close to it) 7 - 8 months before sailing doesn't it seem like good business to add more? Supply & demand? Someone posted on here recently how there are going to be all these cabins available and how prices are going to be dropping in 2008. Would somebody please let me know when this starts happening out of NY.... Because I'll book it. Even if its NCL. So concludes my annual rant about the lack of cruise ships out of NYC. Its just so nice to dock and be less than 1 hour from my driveway. |
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2008 Cruise Prices Falling??
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DAVIS wrote: Someone posted on here recently how there are going to be all these cabins available and how prices are going to be dropping in 2008. Would somebody please let me know when this starts happening out of NY.... I posted it as a question. Whether there might be big discounts in 2008 because of the many ships coming on line and the economy softening. I was not making a prediction. It was a speculative posting. I wanted to see what others thought about prices in 2008. Ray posted that Carnival disagrees. In any case if there are big discounts in 2008 it is not likely to happen out of New York in July. The additional berths coming on line are not going to be home porting in New York because there are limited docks there. There is a huge market there, and July is prime time, peak vacation season when schools are out of session. With the softening economy, the December job figures were bad, I do think there is a good chance cruise prices are going to drop next year with all the new berths coming on line---but it is not going to be out of New York in July! If you have to go in July look at cruises out of Florida or San Juan. -- Charles |
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2008 Cruise Prices Falling??
Charles, the point of sailing from NYC or NJ was because some members of
the family will not fly. That and because we live so close. We lived thru 911 first hand up close. Everyone we know lost someone (family or close friend) that day. Thats a scar that will never go away and frightened a lot of people on flying. It bothered me for a long time but I got over it. Otherwise we would have selected Florida as a departure point. I understand NYC in July (and Aug) is peak time. That didn't even need to be mentioned. We looked at July for the exact reason you mentioned - Kids are out of school. Peak time is Late June thru late Aug. - when kids are out of school. Prices for each week during that time don't differ by much. We didn't expect that. With the addition of Brooklyn, NJ & NY there is now more docking space than ever. Each line: Carnival, Princess, Royal Caribbean, Celebrity, HAL and even NCL was very limited with sailings. In fact one of these lines had nothing during the summer months. The other lines only had 1 ship sailing R/T form NY/NJ. We fully expected to pay more sailing out of NYC. Just not more than double the price of sailing out of Florida and having such limited availability 7 - 8 months in advance. It is because of that that I don't understand why more ships are not added if they sell out so quickly. Especially with the additional space now available in the NY area. BTW, I was not pointing you out for your comment about prices falling and available cabins. I was being sarcastic to make the point about the prices and availability. Sorry if that offended you. It wasn't meant to. |
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2008 Cruise Prices Falling??
RICK DAVIS wrote:
Not from what I've found. At Christmas Dinner my family opened up discussions about a family group cruise (what would have been 22 people) in 2008 - Month of July. I began my internet research (as well as my Trusty Cruise Master Travel Agent) for R/T out of NYC. First of all regular balcony cabins ranged in price from $1900 - $2800 p/p. Inside cabins $1400 p/p. 3&4th pax. $1000. I should also add that these prices are for 8 & 9 days - not 7. On top of that all group space is gone gone gone. Only individual cabin space is available and limited. First of all I can't believe sailing out of NYC & NJ is $800 - $1800 more expensive p/p then sailing out of Florida. But hey, the cruise lines are getting it. Then adding a fuel surcharge on top of that. If the cruise lines know how popular this port is and obviously get the money they are charging why not add a few more ships in & out of NY? I was really amazed how few ships and options there were into and out of NY/NJ. If these ships are sold out (or close to it) 7 - 8 months before sailing doesn't it seem like good business to add more? Supply & demand? Someone posted on here recently how there are going to be all these cabins available and how prices are going to be dropping in 2008. Would somebody please let me know when this starts happening out of NY.... Because I'll book it. Even if its NCL. So concludes my annual rant about the lack of cruise ships out of NYC. Its just so nice to dock and be less than 1 hour from my driveway. Rick, I would also like to see more cruise ships in NY/NJ. I enjoy visiting that area, if only there were more ships to choose from. I keep hoping they will add more ships in Louisiana and Texas. It would be nice if there were more options, locally. Flying is such a PITA, I am willing to pay a little more, if I can drive there. The cruise I took out of California was nice, but it was too cold, and we were there in April/May. You had to wear pants and a jacket on the first two days of the cruise, and on the last two days. It was so cold, nobody was using the swimming pools. If I cruise out of California again, I may try it in August or September, maybe the weather will be warmer? Maybe someone could advise, who lives there. Cruising out of MIA/FLL is not a problem, except you have to fly to get there, the airports are crowded on the weekends and the hotels are getting a little pricey. Maybe they are not more pricey, and I am just thinking they are. The problem is... we are a bunch of cruise nutz and we are not looking for a cure. Becca |
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Ray, or anyone...Please try to explain to me....
On Jan 5, 11:05*am, Ray Goldenberg wrote: Hi Rick, It is simply a matter of economics to the cruise lines. *They can gain more revenue by placing their sailings in other home ports during the summer. Explain this: Does every ship have to "claim" a home port? I thought ships got moved around all the time...am I wrong? NY seems to be a "year round seasonal port". Meaning its most busy during the summer. So if ships can be added during the summer why can't more ships be added? If a "home port" doesn't sell well don't they move that ship to another port where It will? *There are also a limited number of Caribbean sailings from Florida and San Juan during the summer. I understand this. I sailed out of San Juan once on July 4th. I thought the ship was going to melt it was so hot. That I understand. But why not add 2 ships out of NYC if the need is there? Does Miami really need 3 Carnival ships sailing daily, or 3 or 4 Royal Caribbeans sailing? Are they sold out to capacity and charging $1800 - $2300 p/p for a Balcony cabin? Why not move one of these to NYC for the short cruise season where they do collect those prices and sell out? Do you see what I mean here? *As in the NYC area, some cruise lines have no or very limited sailings from Florida or San Juan during the summer. Again the reason is they can get more revenue by sailing from alternative home ports. By this do you mean Europe & the Med.? If NYC sailings are selling out wouldn't it be to their advantage to add more? Especially when they are more than double the cost of sailings out of Florida? It just seems like its a win win for everyone. Just really trying to understand the reasoning here. IF: 1 ship sells out at double the price p/p of a florida sailing + adding another ship at double the price p/p of a florida sailing = 4 times the revenue (+ fuel surcharge) for the cruise line. Doesn't that seem more profitable? Thanks for the info. |
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, Rick wrote: Ray, or anyone...Please try to explain to me.... On Jan 5, 11:05*am, Ray Goldenberg wrote: Hi Rick, It is simply a matter of economics to the cruise lines. *They can gain more revenue by placing their sailings in other home ports during the summer. Explain this: Does every ship have to "claim" a home port? I thought ships got moved around all the time...am I wrong? NY seems to be a "year round seasonal port". Meaning its most busy during the summer. So if ships can be added during the summer why can't more ships be added? If a "home port" doesn't sell well don't they move that ship to another port where It will? Therfe is a lot more to it than that. There is a limited amount of dock space and what impact might a couple more ships have on the prices of food, etc., since there is more competition. Just because you can go out of NYC, doesn't always mean that there are places you go to FROM NYC, both from space availability at distant ports and such constraints as how far a ship can travel in a certain amount of time. The summer is peak travel season, so extending that doesn't mean that people will continue to travel from there as weather changes. Similar concerns from any port. *There are also a limited number of Caribbean sailings from Florida and San Juan during the summer. I understand this. I sailed out of San Juan once on July 4th. I thought the ship was going to melt it was so hot. That I understand. But why not add 2 ships out of NYC if the need is there? Does Miami really need 3 Carnival ships sailing daily, or 3 or 4 Royal Caribbeans sailing? Are they sold out to capacity and charging $1800 - $2300 p/p for a Balcony cabin? Why not move one of these to NYC for the short cruise season where they do collect those prices and sell out? Do you see what I mean here? Again you get into supply and demand concerns. The high prices they are getting in NYC may be directly related to how many cruises are going out of there. You increase the number of sailings, you may very well overshoot the demand and lose those nice numbers. If they were getting those prices and still running a fair percentage of the ship as a waiting list, then it might make sense. If they are getting those prices for full ships but little else, then you are essentially robbing from yourself if you add extra ships. Just really trying to understand the reasoning here. IF: 1 ship sells out at double the price p/p of a florida sailing + adding another ship at double the price p/p of a florida sailing = 4 times the revenue (+ fuel surcharge) for the cruise line. Doesn't that seem more profitable? Thanks for the info. The IF is the constraining factor. Just because you add ships doesn't mean you automatically add to the profit. |
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On Jan 5, 11:04*am, Becca wrote:
Rick, I would also like to see more cruise ships in NY/NJ. I enjoy visiting that area, if only there were more ships to choose from. I have said that for years. I don't understand why there aren't more. Now more than ever with the addition of more docking space. The problem is... we are a bunch of cruise nutz and we are not looking for a cure. No cure....just more of a fix to keep feeding our addiction. |
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In article , RICK
DAVIS wrote: Charles, the point of sailing from NYC or NJ was because some members of the family will not fly. That and because we live so close. I would say you might consider someplace on the Jersey shore or something like that instead of a cruise for a family get together. But even that might be booked up by now. Also check the prices from some nearby ports. Boston and Baltimore have cruises. Some could drive or take the train there. -- Charles |
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