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"Keith F. Lynch" wrote:
It seems to me that it would be far easier to fix this than to extend tracks miles and miles into the exurbs or countryside. Assuming the goal is to serve as much populated area as possible as cheaply as possible. Brian Robinson OR Carol Goter Robinson OR Bill Robinson wrote: No, the purpose is to serve customers, customers being drivers, good citizens who have paid their dues for a MetroCard and the right to be tracked by TIA in the future. Pedestrians are vagrants. Huh? About half the stations don't have parking lots. All stations are accessible to pedestrians. You can ride without a SmarTrip card. And there's no requirement to register a SmarTrip card, in which case, if you paid cash for it, all they are tracking is card number 214365, and they have no idea what name goes with that card. Oh yeah... no tourists or visitors or anyone who might have a legitimate reason to drive to an outlying Metro station are allowed. No more "drive to DC, park at Greenbelt, take the Metro to visit the city..." SmartCard holders (car commuters) only! SmarTrip cards won't be nandatory for people parking at Metro stations until there are SmarTrip card dispensers at every Metro station parking lot. Yes, it's an annoyance that tourists will have to pay an *extra* five dollars. Once. But that's far from saying they're not allowed. Also, if I'm reading the press release correctly, parking will remain free on weekends, implying that no SmarTrip card is required then. If anything, it sounds like they're trying to *discourage* people from parking at Metro stations, and would prefer that people get to them on foot, by bike, or by bus. Mt. Pleasant, one of the most liberal neighborhoods in the country, ANC just passed a law asking the police to detain and question "persons of a suspicious character... who don't look like they belong" in a given area. According to Washpost. The closest thing I can find to that on their website is: ... the District's Mt. Pleasant neighborhood, where the five-member Advisory Neighborhood Commission narrowly adopted a resolution, 3 to 2, asking the police to take aim at everything from assaults and animal cruelty to littering, double parking, even cursing. ... That may be unreasonable, but it's far from stopping and questioning people who are just walking on the sidewalk. -- Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/ Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me. --multiplaza.nl.nu-- |
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"Keith F. Lynch" wrote:
"Keith F. Lynch" wrote: It seems to me that it would be far easier to fix this than to extend tracks miles and miles into the exurbs or countryside. Assuming the goal is to serve as much populated area as possible as cheaply as possible. Brian Robinson OR Carol Goter Robinson OR Bill Robinson wrote: No, the purpose is to serve customers, customers being drivers, good citizens who have paid their dues for a MetroCard and the right to be tracked by TIA in the future. Pedestrians are vagrants. Huh? About half the stations don't have parking lots. All stations are accessible to pedestrians. I was being facetious, in defense of your original point. And on this secondary point, you are about the only person in the DC area who considers stations like Franconia and Vandorn pedestrian-friendly. It militates against your advocacy for more suburban metro coverage; e.g. I've repeatedly cited the possibility of a Brown Line on the original proposed route, extended to serve Annandale and loop around to the north or south parallel to the Beltway; to no avail in terms of positive feedback here. Obviously if the one or two militant anti-car people in NOVA don't want such a line it's not likely anyone else does, either. You can ride without a SmarTrip card. And there's no requirement to register a SmarTrip card, in which case, if you paid cash for it, all they are tracking is card number 214365, and they have no idea what name goes with that card. You're arguing in terms of loopholes, I'm arguing in terms of de facto results guaranteed by what is considered practical for most people, like MOST pedestrians (who don't want to walk two miles from their destination station to their office in Tysons every day) or like most tourists who DRIVE into DC (for the issue of entering DC via outlying Metro stations would be moot otherwise; logically, the recommendation to do so applies only to tourists who are driving in. That said, you are right that it is a tax on these people for not having the "sense" to go Greyhound.) Oh yeah... no tourists or visitors or anyone who might have a legitimate reason to drive to an outlying Metro station are allowed. No more "drive to DC, park at Greenbelt, take the Metro to visit the city..." SmartCard holders (car commuters) only! SmarTrip cards won't be nandatory for people parking at Metro stations until there are SmarTrip card dispensers at every Metro station parking lot. Yes, it's an annoyance that tourists will have to pay an *extra* five dollars. Once. But that's far from saying they're not allowed. Also, if I'm reading the press release correctly, parking will remain free on weekends, implying that no SmarTrip card is required then. The reality is that this requirement is the latest step in ensuring that SmartTrip is so ubiquitous that it not only legitimizes its use as a tracking tool, but legitimizes driving to the Metro station as the most popular and acceptible way of utilizing the Metro system, further dragging us down the road of a BART-like commuter system in the course of government efforts to promote an entirely tangential homeland security device (SmartTrip). If anything, it sounds like they're trying to *discourage* people from parking at Metro stations, and would prefer that people get to them on foot, by bike, or by bus. See my objection above, this does not apply to tourists who would have no reason to use said stations except to park, and who have no choice but to pay $5 or, thinking in terms of de facto practicality, drive all the way to their hotel, which is what your type of thinking here will result in all of them doing. The idea of trying to discourage tourists from driving to DC period is outrageous, anyway; what more acceptible use of a car is there than a road trip from rail-free Podunk to the nations capital? Mt. Pleasant, one of the most liberal neighborhoods in the country, ANC just passed a law asking the police to detain and question "persons of a suspicious character... who don't look like they belong" in a given area. According to Washpost. The closest thing I can find to that on their website is: ... the District's Mt. Pleasant neighborhood, where the five-member Advisory Neighborhood Commission narrowly adopted a resolution, 3 to 2, asking the police to take aim at everything from assaults and animal cruelty to littering, double parking, even cursing. ... That may be unreasonable, but it's far from stopping and questioning people who are just walking on the sidewalk. You need to read the article cited in the Post (Sunday, Outlook). They quoted a Mt. Pleasant restaurateur for his take on the rule in question and that was the quoted directive (and not the first time I've heard tell of it.) --multiplaza.nl.nu-- |
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"Keith F. Lynch" wrote:
"Keith F. Lynch" wrote: It seems to me that it would be far easier to fix this than to extend tracks miles and miles into the exurbs or countryside. Assuming the goal is to serve as much populated area as possible as cheaply as possible. Brian Robinson OR Carol Goter Robinson OR Bill Robinson wrote: No, the purpose is to serve customers, customers being drivers, good citizens who have paid their dues for a MetroCard and the right to be tracked by TIA in the future. Pedestrians are vagrants. Huh? About half the stations don't have parking lots. All stations are accessible to pedestrians. I was being facetious, in defense of your original point. And on this secondary point, you are about the only person in the DC area who considers stations like Franconia and Vandorn pedestrian-friendly. It militates against your advocacy for more suburban metro coverage; e.g. I've repeatedly cited the possibility of a Brown Line on the original proposed route, extended to serve Annandale and loop around to the north or south parallel to the Beltway; to no avail in terms of positive feedback here. Obviously if the one or two militant anti-car people in NOVA don't want such a line it's not likely anyone else does, either. You can ride without a SmarTrip card. And there's no requirement to register a SmarTrip card, in which case, if you paid cash for it, all they are tracking is card number 214365, and they have no idea what name goes with that card. You're arguing in terms of loopholes, I'm arguing in terms of de facto results guaranteed by what is considered practical for most people, like MOST pedestrians (who don't want to walk two miles from their destination station to their office in Tysons every day) or like most tourists who DRIVE into DC (for the issue of entering DC via outlying Metro stations would be moot otherwise; logically, the recommendation to do so applies only to tourists who are driving in. That said, you are right that it is a tax on these people for not having the "sense" to go Greyhound.) Oh yeah... no tourists or visitors or anyone who might have a legitimate reason to drive to an outlying Metro station are allowed. No more "drive to DC, park at Greenbelt, take the Metro to visit the city..." SmartCard holders (car commuters) only! SmarTrip cards won't be nandatory for people parking at Metro stations until there are SmarTrip card dispensers at every Metro station parking lot. Yes, it's an annoyance that tourists will have to pay an *extra* five dollars. Once. But that's far from saying they're not allowed. Also, if I'm reading the press release correctly, parking will remain free on weekends, implying that no SmarTrip card is required then. The reality is that this requirement is the latest step in ensuring that SmartTrip is so ubiquitous that it not only legitimizes its use as a tracking tool, but legitimizes driving to the Metro station as the most popular and acceptible way of utilizing the Metro system, further dragging us down the road of a BART-like commuter system in the course of government efforts to promote an entirely tangential homeland security device (SmartTrip). If anything, it sounds like they're trying to *discourage* people from parking at Metro stations, and would prefer that people get to them on foot, by bike, or by bus. See my objection above, this does not apply to tourists who would have no reason to use said stations except to park, and who have no choice but to pay $5 or, thinking in terms of de facto practicality, drive all the way to their hotel, which is what your type of thinking here will result in all of them doing. The idea of trying to discourage tourists from driving to DC period is outrageous, anyway; what more acceptible use of a car is there than a road trip from rail-free Podunk to the nations capital? Mt. Pleasant, one of the most liberal neighborhoods in the country, ANC just passed a law asking the police to detain and question "persons of a suspicious character... who don't look like they belong" in a given area. According to Washpost. The closest thing I can find to that on their website is: ... the District's Mt. Pleasant neighborhood, where the five-member Advisory Neighborhood Commission narrowly adopted a resolution, 3 to 2, asking the police to take aim at everything from assaults and animal cruelty to littering, double parking, even cursing. ... That may be unreasonable, but it's far from stopping and questioning people who are just walking on the sidewalk. You need to read the article cited in the Post (Sunday, Outlook). They quoted a Mt. Pleasant restaurateur for his take on the rule in question and that was the quoted directive (and not the first time I've heard tell of it.) --multiplaza.nl.nu-- |
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"Keith F. Lynch" wrote:
"Keith F. Lynch" wrote: It seems to me that it would be far easier to fix this than to extend tracks miles and miles into the exurbs or countryside. Assuming the goal is to serve as much populated area as possible as cheaply as possible. Brian Robinson OR Carol Goter Robinson OR Bill Robinson wrote: No, the purpose is to serve customers, customers being drivers, good citizens who have paid their dues for a MetroCard and the right to be tracked by TIA in the future. Pedestrians are vagrants. Huh? About half the stations don't have parking lots. All stations are accessible to pedestrians. I was being facetious, in defense of your original point. And on this secondary point, you are about the only person in the DC area who considers stations like Franconia and Vandorn pedestrian-friendly. It militates against your advocacy for more suburban metro coverage; e.g. I've repeatedly cited the possibility of a Brown Line on the original proposed route, extended to serve Annandale and loop around to the north or south parallel to the Beltway; to no avail in terms of positive feedback here. Obviously if the one or two militant anti-car people in NOVA don't want such a line it's not likely anyone else does, either. You can ride without a SmarTrip card. And there's no requirement to register a SmarTrip card, in which case, if you paid cash for it, all they are tracking is card number 214365, and they have no idea what name goes with that card. You're arguing in terms of loopholes, I'm arguing in terms of de facto results guaranteed by what is considered practical for most people, like MOST pedestrians (who don't want to walk two miles from their destination station to their office in Tysons every day) or like most tourists who DRIVE into DC (for the issue of entering DC via outlying Metro stations would be moot otherwise; logically, the recommendation to do so applies only to tourists who are driving in. That said, you are right that it is a tax on these people for not having the "sense" to go Greyhound.) Oh yeah... no tourists or visitors or anyone who might have a legitimate reason to drive to an outlying Metro station are allowed. No more "drive to DC, park at Greenbelt, take the Metro to visit the city..." SmartCard holders (car commuters) only! SmarTrip cards won't be nandatory for people parking at Metro stations until there are SmarTrip card dispensers at every Metro station parking lot. Yes, it's an annoyance that tourists will have to pay an *extra* five dollars. Once. But that's far from saying they're not allowed. Also, if I'm reading the press release correctly, parking will remain free on weekends, implying that no SmarTrip card is required then. The reality is that this requirement is the latest step in ensuring that SmartTrip is so ubiquitous that it not only legitimizes its use as a tracking tool, but legitimizes driving to the Metro station as the most popular and acceptible way of utilizing the Metro system, further dragging us down the road of a BART-like commuter system in the course of government efforts to promote an entirely tangential homeland security device (SmartTrip). If anything, it sounds like they're trying to *discourage* people from parking at Metro stations, and would prefer that people get to them on foot, by bike, or by bus. See my objection above, this does not apply to tourists who would have no reason to use said stations except to park, and who have no choice but to pay $5 or, thinking in terms of de facto practicality, drive all the way to their hotel, which is what your type of thinking here will result in all of them doing. The idea of trying to discourage tourists from driving to DC period is outrageous, anyway; what more acceptible use of a car is there than a road trip from rail-free Podunk to the nations capital? Mt. Pleasant, one of the most liberal neighborhoods in the country, ANC just passed a law asking the police to detain and question "persons of a suspicious character... who don't look like they belong" in a given area. According to Washpost. The closest thing I can find to that on their website is: ... the District's Mt. Pleasant neighborhood, where the five-member Advisory Neighborhood Commission narrowly adopted a resolution, 3 to 2, asking the police to take aim at everything from assaults and animal cruelty to littering, double parking, even cursing. ... That may be unreasonable, but it's far from stopping and questioning people who are just walking on the sidewalk. You need to read the article cited in the Post (Sunday, Outlook). They quoted a Mt. Pleasant restaurateur for his take on the rule in question and that was the quoted directive (and not the first time I've heard tell of it.) --multiplaza.nl.nu-- |
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"Keith F. Lynch" wrote:
"Keith F. Lynch" wrote: It seems to me that it would be far easier to fix this than to extend tracks miles and miles into the exurbs or countryside. Assuming the goal is to serve as much populated area as possible as cheaply as possible. Brian Robinson OR Carol Goter Robinson OR Bill Robinson wrote: No, the purpose is to serve customers, customers being drivers, good citizens who have paid their dues for a MetroCard and the right to be tracked by TIA in the future. Pedestrians are vagrants. Huh? About half the stations don't have parking lots. All stations are accessible to pedestrians. I was being facetious, in defense of your original point. And on this secondary point, you are about the only person in the DC area who considers stations like Franconia and Vandorn pedestrian-friendly. It militates against your advocacy for more suburban metro coverage; e.g. I've repeatedly cited the possibility of a Brown Line on the original proposed route, extended to serve Annandale and loop around to the north or south parallel to the Beltway; to no avail in terms of positive feedback here. Obviously if the one or two militant anti-car people in NOVA don't want such a line it's not likely anyone else does, either. You can ride without a SmarTrip card. And there's no requirement to register a SmarTrip card, in which case, if you paid cash for it, all they are tracking is card number 214365, and they have no idea what name goes with that card. You're arguing in terms of loopholes, I'm arguing in terms of de facto results guaranteed by what is considered practical for most people, like MOST pedestrians (who don't want to walk two miles from their destination station to their office in Tysons every day) or like most tourists who DRIVE into DC (for the issue of entering DC via outlying Metro stations would be moot otherwise; logically, the recommendation to do so applies only to tourists who are driving in. That said, you are right that it is a tax on these people for not having the "sense" to go Greyhound.) Oh yeah... no tourists or visitors or anyone who might have a legitimate reason to drive to an outlying Metro station are allowed. No more "drive to DC, park at Greenbelt, take the Metro to visit the city..." SmartCard holders (car commuters) only! SmarTrip cards won't be nandatory for people parking at Metro stations until there are SmarTrip card dispensers at every Metro station parking lot. Yes, it's an annoyance that tourists will have to pay an *extra* five dollars. Once. But that's far from saying they're not allowed. Also, if I'm reading the press release correctly, parking will remain free on weekends, implying that no SmarTrip card is required then. The reality is that this requirement is the latest step in ensuring that SmartTrip is so ubiquitous that it not only legitimizes its use as a tracking tool, but legitimizes driving to the Metro station as the most popular and acceptible way of utilizing the Metro system, further dragging us down the road of a BART-like commuter system in the course of government efforts to promote an entirely tangential homeland security device (SmartTrip). If anything, it sounds like they're trying to *discourage* people from parking at Metro stations, and would prefer that people get to them on foot, by bike, or by bus. See my objection above, this does not apply to tourists who would have no reason to use said stations except to park, and who have no choice but to pay $5 or, thinking in terms of de facto practicality, drive all the way to their hotel, which is what your type of thinking here will result in all of them doing. The idea of trying to discourage tourists from driving to DC period is outrageous, anyway; what more acceptible use of a car is there than a road trip from rail-free Podunk to the nations capital? Mt. Pleasant, one of the most liberal neighborhoods in the country, ANC just passed a law asking the police to detain and question "persons of a suspicious character... who don't look like they belong" in a given area. According to Washpost. The closest thing I can find to that on their website is: ... the District's Mt. Pleasant neighborhood, where the five-member Advisory Neighborhood Commission narrowly adopted a resolution, 3 to 2, asking the police to take aim at everything from assaults and animal cruelty to littering, double parking, even cursing. ... That may be unreasonable, but it's far from stopping and questioning people who are just walking on the sidewalk. You need to read the article cited in the Post (Sunday, Outlook). They quoted a Mt. Pleasant restaurateur for his take on the rule in question and that was the quoted directive (and not the first time I've heard tell of it.) --multiplaza.nl.nu-- |
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"Keith F. Lynch" wrote:
"Keith F. Lynch" wrote: It seems to me that it would be far easier to fix this than to extend tracks miles and miles into the exurbs or countryside. Assuming the goal is to serve as much populated area as possible as cheaply as possible. Brian Robinson OR Carol Goter Robinson OR Bill Robinson wrote: No, the purpose is to serve customers, customers being drivers, good citizens who have paid their dues for a MetroCard and the right to be tracked by TIA in the future. Pedestrians are vagrants. Huh? About half the stations don't have parking lots. All stations are accessible to pedestrians. I was being facetious, in defense of your original point. And on this secondary point, you are about the only person in the DC area who considers stations like Franconia and Vandorn pedestrian-friendly. It militates against your advocacy for more suburban metro coverage; e.g. I've repeatedly cited the possibility of a Brown Line on the original proposed route, extended to serve Annandale and loop around to the north or south parallel to the Beltway; to no avail in terms of positive feedback here. Obviously if the one or two militant anti-car people in NOVA don't want such a line it's not likely anyone else does, either. You can ride without a SmarTrip card. And there's no requirement to register a SmarTrip card, in which case, if you paid cash for it, all they are tracking is card number 214365, and they have no idea what name goes with that card. You're arguing in terms of loopholes, I'm arguing in terms of de facto results guaranteed by what is considered practical for most people, like MOST pedestrians (who don't want to walk two miles from their destination station to their office in Tysons every day) or like most tourists who DRIVE into DC (for the issue of entering DC via outlying Metro stations would be moot otherwise; logically, the recommendation to do so applies only to tourists who are driving in. That said, you are right that it is a tax on these people for not having the "sense" to go Greyhound.) Oh yeah... no tourists or visitors or anyone who might have a legitimate reason to drive to an outlying Metro station are allowed. No more "drive to DC, park at Greenbelt, take the Metro to visit the city..." SmartCard holders (car commuters) only! SmarTrip cards won't be nandatory for people parking at Metro stations until there are SmarTrip card dispensers at every Metro station parking lot. Yes, it's an annoyance that tourists will have to pay an *extra* five dollars. Once. But that's far from saying they're not allowed. Also, if I'm reading the press release correctly, parking will remain free on weekends, implying that no SmarTrip card is required then. The reality is that this requirement is the latest step in ensuring that SmartTrip is so ubiquitous that it not only legitimizes its use as a tracking tool, but legitimizes driving to the Metro station as the most popular and acceptible way of utilizing the Metro system, further dragging us down the road of a BART-like commuter system in the course of government efforts to promote an entirely tangential homeland security device (SmartTrip). If anything, it sounds like they're trying to *discourage* people from parking at Metro stations, and would prefer that people get to them on foot, by bike, or by bus. See my objection above, this does not apply to tourists who would have no reason to use said stations except to park, and who have no choice but to pay $5 or, thinking in terms of de facto practicality, drive all the way to their hotel, which is what your type of thinking here will result in all of them doing. The idea of trying to discourage tourists from driving to DC period is outrageous, anyway; what more acceptible use of a car is there than a road trip from rail-free Podunk to the nations capital? Mt. Pleasant, one of the most liberal neighborhoods in the country, ANC just passed a law asking the police to detain and question "persons of a suspicious character... who don't look like they belong" in a given area. According to Washpost. The closest thing I can find to that on their website is: ... the District's Mt. Pleasant neighborhood, where the five-member Advisory Neighborhood Commission narrowly adopted a resolution, 3 to 2, asking the police to take aim at everything from assaults and animal cruelty to littering, double parking, even cursing. ... That may be unreasonable, but it's far from stopping and questioning people who are just walking on the sidewalk. You need to read the article cited in the Post (Sunday, Outlook). They quoted a Mt. Pleasant restaurateur for his take on the rule in question and that was the quoted directive (and not the first time I've heard tell of it.) --multiplaza.nl.nu-- |
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"Keith F. Lynch" wrote:
If anything, it sounds like they're trying to *discourage* people from parking at Metro stations, and would prefer that people get to them on foot, by bike, or by bus. Wrong, The reason for the SmartCard at the parking lots is to eliminate the handling of cash by the parking lot attendants. If you had read the media reports you would have learned that WMATA did an audit and found it was losing thousands of dollars from pilferage by the employees that worked for the contractor that was operating the parking lots. The operation of and collecting of parking fees is the only part of WMATA where people do cash transaction outside of there sails offices. -- ================================================== ==================== Ever wanted one of these John R Cambron http://205.130.220.18/~cambronj/wmata/ or Hebron MD USA http://www.chesapeake.net/~cambronj/wmata/ ================================================== ==================== --multiplaza.nl.nu-- |
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"Keith F. Lynch" wrote:
If anything, it sounds like they're trying to *discourage* people from parking at Metro stations, and would prefer that people get to them on foot, by bike, or by bus. Wrong, The reason for the SmartCard at the parking lots is to eliminate the handling of cash by the parking lot attendants. If you had read the media reports you would have learned that WMATA did an audit and found it was losing thousands of dollars from pilferage by the employees that worked for the contractor that was operating the parking lots. The operation of and collecting of parking fees is the only part of WMATA where people do cash transaction outside of there sails offices. -- ================================================== ==================== Ever wanted one of these John R Cambron http://205.130.220.18/~cambronj/wmata/ or Hebron MD USA http://www.chesapeake.net/~cambronj/wmata/ ================================================== ==================== --multiplaza.nl.nu-- |
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"Keith F. Lynch" wrote:
If anything, it sounds like they're trying to *discourage* people from parking at Metro stations, and would prefer that people get to them on foot, by bike, or by bus. Wrong, The reason for the SmartCard at the parking lots is to eliminate the handling of cash by the parking lot attendants. If you had read the media reports you would have learned that WMATA did an audit and found it was losing thousands of dollars from pilferage by the employees that worked for the contractor that was operating the parking lots. The operation of and collecting of parking fees is the only part of WMATA where people do cash transaction outside of there sails offices. -- ================================================== ==================== Ever wanted one of these John R Cambron http://205.130.220.18/~cambronj/wmata/ or Hebron MD USA http://www.chesapeake.net/~cambronj/wmata/ ================================================== ==================== --multiplaza.nl.nu-- |
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"Keith F. Lynch" wrote:
If anything, it sounds like they're trying to *discourage* people from parking at Metro stations, and would prefer that people get to them on foot, by bike, or by bus. Wrong, The reason for the SmartCard at the parking lots is to eliminate the handling of cash by the parking lot attendants. If you had read the media reports you would have learned that WMATA did an audit and found it was losing thousands of dollars from pilferage by the employees that worked for the contractor that was operating the parking lots. The operation of and collecting of parking fees is the only part of WMATA where people do cash transaction outside of there sails offices. -- ================================================== ==================== Ever wanted one of these John R Cambron http://205.130.220.18/~cambronj/wmata/ or Hebron MD USA http://www.chesapeake.net/~cambronj/wmata/ ================================================== ==================== --multiplaza.nl.nu-- |
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