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Old December 13th, 2004, 04:57 PM
Chrissy Cruiser
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:13:48 GMT, MarkT wrote:

Sounds like HAL did "wake up", and I, for one, am thankful.

Sorry, Jeff, but you will have to move on. Deviant behavior is unacceptable
on HAL. Keep it behind closed doors if you feel you must behave that way.


Deviant is a moving term for HAL based on economics. It's thinly disguised
discrimination against male homosexuals. They don't want them on their
ships. Lesbians get caught up in whirl. One can gauge social deviance many
ways. Porn is a good barometer. Lesbian sex is pornographic for most
everybody, male homosexual sex is porn for male (bi)homos primarily. It's
"deviant".

Look, if HAL could see that they could run the Jersey Jews off or the
blacks ( or PRs or whomever), as they have seniors and male homos, if it
meant that they could target the bigger spenders (primarily WASP whites
30-55) and still fill the ships, they would come up with a legal scheme to
do that as well.

Expect more of this. To tell the truth, if it wasn't for the laws, the
would shorten all door widths to 3 feet and get rid of the SUNSETs and
their wheelchairs/motocarts.

Hm, maybe the QM2 has a thing for the obese.
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Old December 13th, 2004, 04:57 PM
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:13:48 GMT, MarkT wrote:

Sounds like HAL did "wake up", and I, for one, am thankful.

Sorry, Jeff, but you will have to move on. Deviant behavior is unacceptable
on HAL. Keep it behind closed doors if you feel you must behave that way.


Deviant is a moving term for HAL based on economics. It's thinly disguised
discrimination against male homosexuals. They don't want them on their
ships. Lesbians get caught up in whirl. One can gauge social deviance many
ways. Porn is a good barometer. Lesbian sex is pornographic for most
everybody, male homosexual sex is porn for male (bi)homos primarily. It's
"deviant".

Look, if HAL could see that they could run the Jersey Jews off or the
blacks ( or PRs or whomever), as they have seniors and male homos, if it
meant that they could target the bigger spenders (primarily WASP whites
30-55) and still fill the ships, they would come up with a legal scheme to
do that as well.

Expect more of this. To tell the truth, if it wasn't for the laws, the
would shorten all door widths to 3 feet and get rid of the SUNSETs and
their wheelchairs/motocarts.

Hm, maybe the QM2 has a thing for the obese.
  #23  
Old December 13th, 2004, 05:02 PM
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per Holland America corporate policy in Seattle (my paraphrase) about 6-7
weeks ago they can no longer host and publicize such gatherings.

If they had ANYTHING anywhere about "Friends of Bill W" meetings or
gatherings, the corporate policy would seem, on the surface, to be
discriminatory. Is there any chance you have any of the daily newsletters
and can check for Friends of Bill W meetings or maybe remember if they were
publicized?

--
Charlie Funk
Just Cruisin' Plus
800 888-0922
615 833-0922
www.justcruisinplus.com
We prefer the MasterCard card
"JEFFCOUD" wrote in message
...
Hey folks...I'm writing live onboard the Holland America Line Zuiderdam.

We
are at sea today (having not been able to tender at Half Moon Cay).

This morning I wrote a nice note to the Cruise Director Pete (can't

remember
last name....) requesting a Friends of Dorothy party to be scheduled for
tomorrow, which is also a sea day.

Pete was kind enough to leave me a voice mail letting me know that, per

Holland
America corporate policy in Seattle (my paraphrase) about 6-7 weeks ago

they
can no longer host and publicize such gatherings. He said he would be

happy to
put such a party together in a public room, but they could not put it in

the
daily bulletin!

At this moment....I am damn angry! Which I certainly don't need on my

long
awaited vacation. At great splurgy expense to myself I have booked as a

solo
in a Cat S suite....not exactly chump change! But this is absolutely my

2nd
and last Holland America cruise unless this policy is changed asap! I

can't
believe in this day and age such a policy would exist. I think in today's
program, for example, they've had meetings for people who like to play

bridge,
and for veterans. So what is the big deal -- we are but yet another group

of
people who have some common interests. Isn't the cruise line's job to

bring
people together for an enjoyable vacation experience?

I do want to be clear I do not harbor any ill will towards the CD...he was

kind
enough to respond to my note and was just relaying a corporate policy --

which
he did not create -- to me.

In any case, Pete said I could call him at various times this evening, but
really why bother? The whole point is to get a room and have it in the

daily
program....it's not like I have some magic ability to "spread this by word

of
mouth", using his words....to every gay and lesbian passenger on the ship.

I
don't want to go around making presumptions about people right?

Holland America -- wake up!!

Jeff Coudriet -- taking my $$ back to Celebrity which has never turned

down my
request to host such a party.



  #24  
Old December 13th, 2004, 05:02 PM
Charlie Funk
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per Holland America corporate policy in Seattle (my paraphrase) about 6-7
weeks ago they can no longer host and publicize such gatherings.

If they had ANYTHING anywhere about "Friends of Bill W" meetings or
gatherings, the corporate policy would seem, on the surface, to be
discriminatory. Is there any chance you have any of the daily newsletters
and can check for Friends of Bill W meetings or maybe remember if they were
publicized?

--
Charlie Funk
Just Cruisin' Plus
800 888-0922
615 833-0922
www.justcruisinplus.com
We prefer the MasterCard card
"JEFFCOUD" wrote in message
...
Hey folks...I'm writing live onboard the Holland America Line Zuiderdam.

We
are at sea today (having not been able to tender at Half Moon Cay).

This morning I wrote a nice note to the Cruise Director Pete (can't

remember
last name....) requesting a Friends of Dorothy party to be scheduled for
tomorrow, which is also a sea day.

Pete was kind enough to leave me a voice mail letting me know that, per

Holland
America corporate policy in Seattle (my paraphrase) about 6-7 weeks ago

they
can no longer host and publicize such gatherings. He said he would be

happy to
put such a party together in a public room, but they could not put it in

the
daily bulletin!

At this moment....I am damn angry! Which I certainly don't need on my

long
awaited vacation. At great splurgy expense to myself I have booked as a

solo
in a Cat S suite....not exactly chump change! But this is absolutely my

2nd
and last Holland America cruise unless this policy is changed asap! I

can't
believe in this day and age such a policy would exist. I think in today's
program, for example, they've had meetings for people who like to play

bridge,
and for veterans. So what is the big deal -- we are but yet another group

of
people who have some common interests. Isn't the cruise line's job to

bring
people together for an enjoyable vacation experience?

I do want to be clear I do not harbor any ill will towards the CD...he was

kind
enough to respond to my note and was just relaying a corporate policy --

which
he did not create -- to me.

In any case, Pete said I could call him at various times this evening, but
really why bother? The whole point is to get a room and have it in the

daily
program....it's not like I have some magic ability to "spread this by word

of
mouth", using his words....to every gay and lesbian passenger on the ship.

I
don't want to go around making presumptions about people right?

Holland America -- wake up!!

Jeff Coudriet -- taking my $$ back to Celebrity which has never turned

down my
request to host such a party.



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Old December 13th, 2004, 06:55 PM
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Charlie Funk wrote:
per Holland America corporate policy in Seattle (my paraphrase) about 6-7
weeks ago they can no longer host and publicize such gatherings.

If they had ANYTHING anywhere about "Friends of Bill W" meetings or
gatherings, the corporate policy would seem, on the surface, to be
discriminatory.


It is discrimination, but not an illegal discrimination.
As long as they don't violate the law, they can choose to permit (or
deny) the posting of meetings for whatever group they wish.
  #26  
Old December 13th, 2004, 06:55 PM
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Charlie Funk wrote:
per Holland America corporate policy in Seattle (my paraphrase) about 6-7
weeks ago they can no longer host and publicize such gatherings.

If they had ANYTHING anywhere about "Friends of Bill W" meetings or
gatherings, the corporate policy would seem, on the surface, to be
discriminatory.


It is discrimination, but not an illegal discrimination.
As long as they don't violate the law, they can choose to permit (or
deny) the posting of meetings for whatever group they wish.
  #27  
Old December 13th, 2004, 07:15 PM
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I replied to Jeff in a post on CruiseMates about this subject as well.

I don't believe the "policy" is aimed specifically at the gay cruiser at
all. Several times we've asked the CD or Hotel Manager's onboard to
publicize "Net Buddy" get togethers in their daily newsletters as well, and
have been turned down.

They feel once they open the door to this type of thing, they'll be flooded
with requests from "interest groups" for the same treatment, even though
there may only be one person onboard with that interest. ie.. net buddies,
FOD, fisherman, bowlers, poker players, swingers, fascists... whatever.

Think Friends of Bill W is a bit different, because it's offering a support
group, in an environment where the propensity for having a drink may be
higher.

--
Regards,
Kuki
Features Editor
http://www.cruisemates.com
"Merry Christmas" wrote in message
. com...
Charlie Funk wrote:
per Holland America corporate policy in Seattle (my paraphrase) about 6-7
weeks ago they can no longer host and publicize such gatherings.

If they had ANYTHING anywhere about "Friends of Bill W" meetings or
gatherings, the corporate policy would seem, on the surface, to be
discriminatory.


It is discrimination, but not an illegal discrimination.
As long as they don't violate the law, they can choose to permit (or deny)
the posting of meetings for whatever group they wish.



  #28  
Old December 13th, 2004, 07:15 PM
kuki
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I replied to Jeff in a post on CruiseMates about this subject as well.

I don't believe the "policy" is aimed specifically at the gay cruiser at
all. Several times we've asked the CD or Hotel Manager's onboard to
publicize "Net Buddy" get togethers in their daily newsletters as well, and
have been turned down.

They feel once they open the door to this type of thing, they'll be flooded
with requests from "interest groups" for the same treatment, even though
there may only be one person onboard with that interest. ie.. net buddies,
FOD, fisherman, bowlers, poker players, swingers, fascists... whatever.

Think Friends of Bill W is a bit different, because it's offering a support
group, in an environment where the propensity for having a drink may be
higher.

--
Regards,
Kuki
Features Editor
http://www.cruisemates.com
"Merry Christmas" wrote in message
. com...
Charlie Funk wrote:
per Holland America corporate policy in Seattle (my paraphrase) about 6-7
weeks ago they can no longer host and publicize such gatherings.

If they had ANYTHING anywhere about "Friends of Bill W" meetings or
gatherings, the corporate policy would seem, on the surface, to be
discriminatory.


It is discrimination, but not an illegal discrimination.
As long as they don't violate the law, they can choose to permit (or deny)
the posting of meetings for whatever group they wish.



  #29  
Old December 13th, 2004, 07:27 PM
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:15:38 GMT, kuki wrote:

I don't believe the "policy" is aimed specifically at the gay cruiser at
all. Several times we've asked the CD or Hotel Manager's onboard to
publicize "Net Buddy" get togethers in their daily newsletters as well, and
have been turned down.


You're serious.

They feel once they open the door to this type of thing, they'll be flooded
with requests from "interest groups" for the same treatment, even though
there may only be one person onboard with that interest. ie.. net buddies,
FOD, fisherman, bowlers, poker players, swingers, fascists... whatever.

Think Friends of Bill W is a bit different, because it's offering a support
group, in an environment where the propensity for having a drink may be
higher.


So they can pick and choose at will. They chose to pick on homosexuals.
  #30  
Old December 13th, 2004, 07:27 PM
Chrissy Cruiser
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:15:38 GMT, kuki wrote:

I don't believe the "policy" is aimed specifically at the gay cruiser at
all. Several times we've asked the CD or Hotel Manager's onboard to
publicize "Net Buddy" get togethers in their daily newsletters as well, and
have been turned down.


You're serious.

They feel once they open the door to this type of thing, they'll be flooded
with requests from "interest groups" for the same treatment, even though
there may only be one person onboard with that interest. ie.. net buddies,
FOD, fisherman, bowlers, poker players, swingers, fascists... whatever.

Think Friends of Bill W is a bit different, because it's offering a support
group, in an environment where the propensity for having a drink may be
higher.


So they can pick and choose at will. They chose to pick on homosexuals.
 




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