Why do people live in Florida?

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wrote:

Right! We go from a surplus and a shaken but viable economy to a
jobless disaster and things are getting better. The only thing getting
better is that there is a chance to get rid of shrub and his unmerry men.

The "Surplus" was never as big as discussed. It included the SS
"surplus" which went directly into special bonds that have to be
paid back with interest eventually. Only in DC could you get a long
term liability accounted for (by both parties) as a short-term
asset.
BTW: During the years of the surplus (even most of the time when
the SS "surplus" was the only surplus) discretionary spending (from
FY 96 to FY 2001) went up by a cumulated $80 billion. The surplus
was only because for one, brief, shining moment, the US economy was
breathtakingly overheated that money came in faster than it could be
spent by the determined best efforts of both parties.

--
"Even I realized that money was to politicians what the
ecalyptus tree is to koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on."
---PJ O'Rourke

"Frank F. Matthews" wrote in message
...
BiG Orange wrote:

This country is sick, and guess what, its been the Repuglicans that have
been in total charge for the last 4 years.

cocoanutzdude
Get real, we're suffering the after affects of gigolo Bill's 8 years.
Fortunately things are getting better.

Right! We go from a surplus and a shaken but viable economy to a
jobless disaster and things are getting better. The only thing getting
better is that there is a chance to get rid of shrub and his unmerry men.


Where is that "jobless disaster?" The unemployment rate is pretty flat.

Assuming that there WAS a jobless disaster, exactly what is Kerry going to
do to turn that around? Are you expecting Nader to be elected? Has Kerry
shared his plan for creating jobs? All I heard was when he pledged to raise
the minimum wage. That's a popular democratic idea, but one which is
neutral to negative on jobs creation.

I sort of wish that he had a chance of getting elected so that we'd get to
see just how much of a zero he really is. The problem is that after he
raised taxes on businesses, bumped up the minimum wage, and attempted to
impose fines, levies or pass legislation to prevent companies from exporting
jobs, as the unemployment rate began to soar, he'd just blame Bush and claim
he'd inherited a republican mess.

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"Frank F. Matthews" wrote in message
...
BiG Orange wrote:

This country is sick, and guess what, its been the Repuglicans that have
been in total charge for the last 4 years.

cocoanutzdude
Get real, we're suffering the after affects of gigolo Bill's 8 years.
Fortunately things are getting better.

Right! We go from a surplus and a shaken but viable economy to a
jobless disaster and things are getting better. The only thing getting
better is that there is a chance to get rid of shrub and his unmerry men.


Where is that "jobless disaster?" The unemployment rate is pretty flat.

Assuming that there WAS a jobless disaster, exactly what is Kerry going to
do to turn that around? Are you expecting Nader to be elected? Has Kerry
shared his plan for creating jobs? All I heard was when he pledged to raise
the minimum wage. That's a popular democratic idea, but one which is
neutral to negative on jobs creation.

I sort of wish that he had a chance of getting elected so that we'd get to
see just how much of a zero he really is. The problem is that after he
raised taxes on businesses, bumped up the minimum wage, and attempted to
impose fines, levies or pass legislation to prevent companies from exporting
jobs, as the unemployment rate began to soar, he'd just blame Bush and claim
he'd inherited a republican mess.

Ü

"BiG Orange" @ wrote in message ...
"cocoanutzdude" wrote in message
. ..
Drug companies that are making record profits and selling the same drugs
to Canadians & Europeans for 25% of what Americans have to pay for them ?
How

Are you working for CBS?

Tell me why a medicine I have to take, has gone from $ 46 a month to $ 86 a
month in just 3 years ? It can't be for developement as the Drug Companies
scream about, it is a medicine that has been on the market for a number of
years.

The real tragedy is the so-called "commercials" that Drug Companies are
promoting, costing millions of $ that should be used on this "supposed"
research but is doing nothing more than raising the costs of the medicine to
innocent consumers like myself.

Its greed and the ME ME ME attitude that this Administration, Congress & the
Drug Conglomerates have.

They should be ashamed of the **** they are pulling on the American public.

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:43:01 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
wrote:

BiG Orange wrote:

This country is sick, and guess what, its been the Repuglicans that have
been in total charge for the last 4 years.

cocoanutzdude
Get real, we're suffering the after affects of gigolo Bill's 8 years.
Fortunately things are getting better.

Right! We go from a surplus and a shaken but viable economy to a
jobless disaster and things are getting better. The only thing getting
better is that there is a chance to get rid of shrub and his unmerry men.

What was Clintons best unemployment rate?
What was Clintons best GDP?

Gunner, baiting the bear trap.

"In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by
the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked
out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman
Liebmann

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:43:01 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
wrote:

BiG Orange wrote:

This country is sick, and guess what, its been the Repuglicans that have
been in total charge for the last 4 years.

cocoanutzdude
Get real, we're suffering the after affects of gigolo Bill's 8 years.
Fortunately things are getting better.

Right! We go from a surplus and a shaken but viable economy to a
jobless disaster and things are getting better. The only thing getting
better is that there is a chance to get rid of shrub and his unmerry men.

What was Clintons best unemployment rate?
What was Clintons best GDP?

Gunner, baiting the bear trap.

"In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by
the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked
out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman
Liebmann

Gunner wrote:

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:43:01 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
wrote:

BiG Orange wrote:

This country is sick, and guess what, its been the Repuglicans that have
been in total charge for the last 4 years.

cocoanutzdude

Get real, we're suffering the after affects of gigolo Bill's 8 years.
Fortunately things are getting better.

Right! We go from a surplus and a shaken but viable economy to a
jobless disaster and things are getting better. The only thing getting
better is that there is a chance to get rid of shrub and his unmerry men.

What was Clintons best unemployment rate?
What was Clintons best GDP?

Gunner, baiting the bear trap.

Did Hoover manage to lose more jobs during the depression than shrub or
is shrub just in second place as a job destroyer?

Making the job market so bad that some people give up looking and
absorbing large numbers in a war helps the unemployment rate but doesn't
help the country.

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:18:31 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
wrote:

Gunner wrote:

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:43:01 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
wrote:

BiG Orange wrote:

This country is sick, and guess what, its been the Repuglicans that have
been in total charge for the last 4 years.

cocoanutzdude

Get real, we're suffering the after affects of gigolo Bill's 8 years.
Fortunately things are getting better.

Right! We go from a surplus and a shaken but viable economy to a
jobless disaster and things are getting better. The only thing getting
better is that there is a chance to get rid of shrub and his unmerry men.

What was Clintons best unemployment rate?
What was Clintons best GDP?

Gunner, baiting the bear trap.

Did Hoover manage to lose more jobs during the depression than shrub or
is shrub just in second place as a job destroyer?

Clinton did actually. Like FDR, Bush inherited someone elses problem.
Now what are todays unemployment figures?

Making the job market so bad that some people give up looking and
absorbing large numbers in a war helps the unemployment rate but doesn't
help the country.

Odd..seems that we are recovering quite well indeed.

Gunner


"In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by
the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked
out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman
Liebmann

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:18:31 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
wrote:

Gunner wrote:

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:43:01 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
wrote:

BiG Orange wrote:

This country is sick, and guess what, its been the Repuglicans that have
been in total charge for the last 4 years.

cocoanutzdude

Get real, we're suffering the after affects of gigolo Bill's 8 years.
Fortunately things are getting better.

Right! We go from a surplus and a shaken but viable economy to a
jobless disaster and things are getting better. The only thing getting
better is that there is a chance to get rid of shrub and his unmerry men.

What was Clintons best unemployment rate?
What was Clintons best GDP?

Gunner, baiting the bear trap.

Did Hoover manage to lose more jobs during the depression than shrub or
is shrub just in second place as a job destroyer?

Clinton did actually. Like FDR, Bush inherited someone elses problem.
Now what are todays unemployment figures?

Making the job market so bad that some people give up looking and
absorbing large numbers in a war helps the unemployment rate but doesn't
help the country.

Odd..seems that we are recovering quite well indeed.

Gunner


"In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by
the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked
out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman
Liebmann

"Frank F. Matthews" wrote in message
...

Gunner wrote:

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:43:01 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
wrote:

BiG Orange wrote:

This country is sick, and guess what, its been the Repuglicans that
have
been in total charge for the last 4 years.

cocoanutzdude

Get real, we're suffering the after affects of gigolo Bill's 8 years.
Fortunately things are getting better.

Right! We go from a surplus and a shaken but viable economy to a
jobless disaster and things are getting better. The only thing getting
better is that there is a chance to get rid of shrub and his unmerry
men.

What was Clintons best unemployment rate?
What was Clintons best GDP?

Gunner, baiting the bear trap.

Did Hoover manage to lose more jobs during the depression than shrub or
is shrub just in second place as a job destroyer

Making the job market so bad that some people give up looking and
absorbing large numbers in a war helps the unemployment rate but doesn't
help the country.

What did Bush do to "destroy jobs" and "make the job market so bad?" Be
specific, please. Those are pretty strong accusations that require
specifics to take them out of the realm of political talking points and
bring them to the realm of reality.

Terry Gowan