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Old September 10th, 2006, 12:46 AM posted to misc.consumers,rec.travel.air,rec.travel.usa-canada,alt.politics.bush,uk.politics.misc
Chuck Whealton
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berm.uda tri.angle wrote:
Thanks for the heads up. Will have to remember this next time I
travel through MIA not to act "suspicious" (whatever that is, since
tey're not telling us).

Eventually I'm sure this is going to spread to other airports. I can
see it spreading to malls, everywhere. Ugh...the terrorists have won.


airport vigilantes wrote:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...fla-news-miami
From janitors to managers, Miami airport employees are watching you

By Ken Kaye
South Florida Sun-Sentinel
September 6, 2006

Passengers at Miami International Airport soon will be scrutinized by
many sets of eyes, beyond federal security officers and police.

MIA is to become the first airport in the nation where aviation
employees, from janitors to senior-level managers, will receive
behavior recognition training to spot suspicious people or potential
terrorists.

"Every employee who works around airport goes to the bathroom and goes
to lunch, and wherever they are, they're going to be trained to
recognize behavior that is suspicious," airport spokesman Greg Chin
said Tuesday.

Initially, about 1,600 Miami-Dade Aviation Department employees will
receive four hours of training, starting Thursday. The first class
will include 50 to 75 upper level administrators.

Eventually, the course will be offered to 35,000 airport employees,
including those who work for airlines, skycap services and various
vendors, Chin said.

"The aim is to have as many eyes and ears in the airport as possible,"
he said.

About 88,000 passengers come and go from Miami International each day.

Miami-Dade County police officers, and specifically those under the
airport's incident containment team, will be the course instructors.
Those officers already have been trained by New Age Security Solutions
of Washington, D.C., Chin said.

Rafi Ron, president of that firm, is the former security director for
Ben Gurion International Airport in Tel Aviv, Israel, and pioneered
training employees to recognize potentially dangerous behavior.

"This is not profiling," said airport spokesman Marc Henderson.
"You're looking for patterns that would be out of the ordinary."

The airport is undertaking the training program without prompting from
the Transportation Security Administration, said Lauren Stover, MIA's
Assistant Aviation Director of Security and Communications.

"It's independent of the TSA," she said. "It was an initiative that
the police and I wanted to move forward on as an additional layer of
security."


Berm, I have to ask why this is a problem. One day when you're flying
it may have been that janitor that kept the aircraft that you or a
loved one are traveling on from being blown up.

It's a shame, but this is the world we now live in. We've seen what
those who don't agree with our way of life can do to us if we're not
careful. Unfortunately, I don't believe the dislike of America (right,
wrong, or inbetween) is going to end anytime soon.

Why would this bother you?

Charles R. Whealton
Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com

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Old September 10th, 2006, 12:56 AM posted to misc.consumers,rec.travel.air,rec.travel.usa-canada,alt.politics.bush,uk.politics.misc
JOHN BENNETT
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"Chuck Whealton" wrote in message
oups.com...

We've seen what
those who don't agree with our way of life can do to us if we're not
careful. There are so many ways to live your life.

Unfortunately the American way is generally not the best although you can be
forgiven for thinking it is:-))


Unfortunately, I don't believe the dislike of America (right,
wrong, or inbetween) is going to end anytime soon.


People generally don't dislike Americans, but they do despise your
governments and the way in which you elect them.
HTH

Why would this bother you?

Charles R. Whealton
Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com



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Old September 10th, 2006, 05:35 AM posted to misc.consumers,rec.travel.air,rec.travel.usa-canada,alt.politics.bush,uk.politics.misc
mrtravel[_1_]
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Chuck Whealton wrote:

Berm, I have to ask why this is a problem. One day when you're flying
it may have been that janitor that kept the aircraft that you or a
loved one are traveling on from being blown up.

It's a shame, but this is the world we now live in. We've seen what
those who don't agree with our way of life can do to us if we're not
careful. Unfortunately, I don't believe the dislike of America (right,
wrong, or inbetween) is going to end anytime soon.

Why would this bother you?


You're kidding, right?
Would you like to see a cop on every street corner with an Uzi?
I would bet that would cut down on street crime.

Would you like the government or janitors to read all of your mail, or
are you just comfortable watching you in the airport john. Should they
be permitted in the stalls? After all, if I am mixing bomb ingredients
in a public lav, I am not going to do it in plain view of everyone.
  #4  
Old September 10th, 2006, 12:11 PM posted to misc.consumers,rec.travel.air,rec.travel.usa-canada,alt.politics.bush,uk.politics.misc
chuck_whealton
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JOHN BENNETT wrote:
"Chuck Whealton" wrote in message
oups.com...

We've seen what
those who don't agree with our way of life can do to us if we're not
careful. There are so many ways to live your life.

Unfortunately the American way is generally not the best although you can be
forgiven for thinking it is:-))


Unfortunately, I don't believe the dislike of America (right,
wrong, or inbetween) is going to end anytime soon.


People generally don't dislike Americans, but they do despise your
governments and the way in which you elect them.
HTH

Why would this bother you?

Charles R. Whealton
Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com


John, I don't want to make myself misunderstood about how I feel about
the way we live here in America. I generally like the way we do
things, but there are a million+ things that stand out as bad and are
done differently AND better in other countries. I'm not going to list
them here to start a flame war.

I'm glad that most people tend to dislike our government and not
necessarily Americans. I voted against the current administration both
times, though I won't sit here bad mouthing them.

The unfortunate part is that the last time people attacked our
lifestyle (good, bad, whatever your opinion), it was innocent people
who paid.

That's why I have no problem with all airline personnel being trained
to give people a second look. If your'e not doing anything wrong, you
have nothing to worry about.

Charles R. Whealton
Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com

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Old September 10th, 2006, 12:20 PM posted to misc.consumers,rec.travel.air,rec.travel.usa-canada,alt.politics.bush,uk.politics.misc
chuck_whealton
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mrtravel wrote:
Chuck Whealton wrote:

Berm, I have to ask why this is a problem. One day when you're flying
it may have been that janitor that kept the aircraft that you or a
loved one are traveling on from being blown up.

It's a shame, but this is the world we now live in. We've seen what
those who don't agree with our way of life can do to us if we're not
careful. Unfortunately, I don't believe the dislike of America (right,
wrong, or inbetween) is going to end anytime soon.

Why would this bother you?


You're kidding, right?
Would you like to see a cop on every street corner with an Uzi?
I would bet that would cut down on street crime.

Would you like the government or janitors to read all of your mail, or
are you just comfortable watching you in the airport john. Should they
be permitted in the stalls? After all, if I am mixing bomb ingredients
in a public lav, I am not going to do it in plain view of everyone.


Mr. Travel, I'm sorry. This stuff tends to bother me less than a lot
of people. We're all entitled to our own opinions - it's one of the
good things about living in our country.

I have more of an interest in not seeing innocent people murdered and
I'm willing to give up some of my privacy for it. I'm not saying
you're a bad person for not wanting to give up yours, I'm just saying
that I have no problem with it for myself.

So how about it, Mr. Travel. Would you prefer to see a loved one blown
up on an aircraft to preserve your privacy, or would you prefer to have
the would-be assailant pointed out by the janitor?

Charles R. Whealton
Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com

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Old September 10th, 2006, 12:28 PM posted to misc.consumers,rec.travel.air,rec.travel.usa-canada,alt.politics.bush,uk.politics.misc
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mrtravel wrote:
Chuck Whealton wrote:

Berm, I have to ask why this is a problem. One day when you're flying
it may have been that janitor that kept the aircraft that you or a
loved one are traveling on from being blown up.

It's a shame, but this is the world we now live in. We've seen what
those who don't agree with our way of life can do to us if we're not
careful. Unfortunately, I don't believe the dislike of America (right,
wrong, or inbetween) is going to end anytime soon.

Why would this bother you?


You're kidding, right?
Would you like to see a cop on every street corner with an Uzi?
I would bet that would cut down on street crime.

Would you like the government or janitors to read all of your mail, or
are you just comfortable watching you in the airport john. Should they
be permitted in the stalls? After all, if I am mixing bomb ingredients
in a public lav, I am not going to do it in plain view of everyone.


Mr. Travel, I recalled this and I'm replacing it because I didn't like
my wording in the original.

Let me ask you this, if given the choice between yourself or a loved
one loosing their lives on an aircraft, or the reasonably non-intrusive
inclusion of other airline personnel keeping an eye on people, wouldn't
you rather opt for the privacy incursion? Especially if you're not
doing anything wrong?

I know I sure would.

We're all entitled to our own opinions. I simply don't agree that
there's a problem with this.

Charles R. Whealton
Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com

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Old September 10th, 2006, 01:28 PM posted to misc.consumers,rec.travel.air,rec.travel.usa-canada,alt.politics.bush,uk.politics.misc
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"mrtravel" wrote in message
m...
Chuck Whealton wrote:

Berm, I have to ask why this is a problem. One day when you're flying
it may have been that janitor that kept the aircraft that you or a
loved one are traveling on from being blown up.

It's a shame, but this is the world we now live in. We've seen what
those who don't agree with our way of life can do to us if we're not
careful. Unfortunately, I don't believe the dislike of America (right,
wrong, or inbetween) is going to end anytime soon.

Why would this bother you?


You're kidding, right?
Would you like to see a cop on every street corner with an Uzi?
I would bet that would cut down on street crime.

Would you like the government or janitors to read all of your mail, or
are you just comfortable watching you in the airport john. Should they
be permitted in the stalls? After all, if I am mixing bomb ingredients
in a public lav, I am not going to do it in plain view of everyone.\


Where did you see trhe reason in making a leap from janitors keeping a
weather eye out to cops with Uzis on every street corner?

In these times it behooves all of us to be more cautious. Do YOU approve opf
the Clinton administration's FBI NOT investigating concerned citizens'
reports of a group of arab men who were taking pilot training but weren't
interested in learning to take off or land? After all, one of them might
have been the janitor of the flight school.....


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Old September 10th, 2006, 06:00 PM posted to misc.consumers,rec.travel.air,rec.travel.usa-canada,alt.politics.bush,uk.politics.misc
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chuck_whealton wrote:

Let me ask you this, if given the choice between yourself or a loved
one loosing their lives on an aircraft, or the reasonably non-intrusive
inclusion of other airline personnel keeping an eye on people, wouldn't
you rather opt for the privacy incursion? Especially if you're not
doing anything wrong?

I know I sure would.


Is this the choice we are making?
Your loved one is more likely to die in a car accident.
Do you buy all of them the safetest car available?
Do you forbid them to drive on the dangerous roads?

What "non-intrusive" inclusion would this be?
Unless they are watching people in bathroom stalls, how effective is
this going to be. I don't consider airport janitors as "airline
personnel", do you?

Why stop at the airport? Given the number of times terrorists have
brought down a US airliner in the past five years, shouldn't we use
these same kinds of resources for other, more likely, dangers in our
lives?


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Old September 10th, 2006, 06:07 PM posted to misc.consumers,rec.travel.air,rec.travel.usa-canada,alt.politics.bush,uk.politics.misc
mrtravel[_1_]
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Morton Davis wrote:

"mrtravel" wrote in message
m...

Chuck Whealton wrote:


Berm, I have to ask why this is a problem. One day when you're flying
it may have been that janitor that kept the aircraft that you or a
loved one are traveling on from being blown up.

It's a shame, but this is the world we now live in. We've seen what
those who don't agree with our way of life can do to us if we're not
careful. Unfortunately, I don't believe the dislike of America (right,
wrong, or inbetween) is going to end anytime soon.

Why would this bother you?


You're kidding, right?
Would you like to see a cop on every street corner with an Uzi?
I would bet that would cut down on street crime.

Would you like the government or janitors to read all of your mail, or
are you just comfortable watching you in the airport john. Should they
be permitted in the stalls? After all, if I am mixing bomb ingredients
in a public lav, I am not going to do it in plain view of everyone.\



Where did you see trhe reason in making a leap from janitors keeping a
weather eye out to cops with Uzis on every street corner?


What do you mean by "weather eye"? I would expect them to already
paying attention to anything that seems out of place. How much more are
they going to do? Regarding the "police on every corner" comment, why is
that such a leap? After all, if we are willing be so cautious about the
smallest possibilities of danger, why not be more cautious about the
larger possibilies of danger? Why not ban cigarettes? Hundreds of
thousands of people die every year in the US from smoking. Surely this
is a greater cause than preventing the much smaller number of people
that would be expected to die in a terror incident on a US aircraft per
year.


In these times it behooves all of us to be more cautious. Do YOU approve opf
the Clinton administration's FBI NOT investigating concerned citizens'
reports of a group of arab men who were taking pilot training but weren't
interested in learning to take off or land? After all, one of them might
have been the janitor of the flight school.....


If they thought there was something important about it, then I would
expcect them to tell someone. However, I doubt the annectdotal
information regarding takeoffs and landing only instruction.


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Old September 10th, 2006, 09:59 PM posted to misc.consumers,rec.travel.air,rec.travel.usa-canada,alt.politics.bush,uk.politics.misc
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"mrtravel" wrote in message
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If they thought there was something important about it, then I would
expcect them to tell someone. However, I doubt the annectdotal
information regarding takeoffs and landing only instruction.


Yet it was THE most important information that was ignored, eh?
plonk


 




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