How US helped Iraq build deadly arsenal

devil writes
I am not all that familiar with the British press. Is The Independent
really anything like "extremist propaganda?" I would think not?

Not at all. It's a well respected broadsheet with no overt political
bias. Its main fault IMHO is that its middle eastern coverage tends to
be over reliant on Robert Fisk, who seems to be only interested in
telling one side of the story.
--
Simon Elliott
http://www.ctsn.co.uk/

In article ,
(Tchiowa) wrote:

The fact is that we supported Saddam during the Iraq/Iran war. When he
gassed the Kurds we absolutely condemned in and began the process of
isolating him that continued until last year

That's unfortunately not the fact. The facts are that:

****"In March 1984, under international pressure, America condemned
Iraq's use of such chemical weapons. But realising that Baghdad had been
upset, Secretary of State George Schultz asked Mr Rumsfeld to travel to
Iraq as a special envoy to meet Saddam's Foreign Minister, Tariq Aziz,
and smooth matters over.

*****In a briefing memo to Mr Rumsfeld, Mr Shultz wrote that he had met
Iraqi officials in Washington to stress that America's interests
remained "in (1) preventing an Iranian victory and (2) continuing to
improve bilateral relations with Iraq".

*****The memo adds: "This message bears reinforcing during your
discussions."

*****Exactly what Mr Rumsfeld, who at the time did not hold government
office, told Mr Aziz on 26 March 1984, remains unclear and minutes from
the meeting remain classified. No one from Mr Rumsfeld's office was
available to comment yesterday."

No one has to take the word of Pete Loud in this issue.

If you wish to get a more factual account of the US involvement in Iraq in
the 1980's you can get quite a bit of information using Google. I have just
done a search on [Rumsfeld Iraq 1984] and come up some interesting info. Of
course there will be much more information which the US Gov. does not
release.

You might find that US wasn't involved, you might find it was. Either way
it's much better to attempt to find the real situation than simply screaming
"whinging Pom"

Cheers,


Pete Loud
"Maps of Iraq",
http://users.powernet.co.uk/mkmarina/iraq/iraq.html








"Pete Loud" wrote in message
...
No. He's wrong, but that's not why


Are you saying that US, and specifically Donald Rumsfeld, were not
supporting Saddam Hussein in the 1980's?

Read this article http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/122603C.shtml


Pete Loud







"Tchiowa" wrote in message
om...
devil wrote in message
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 23:07:49 +1000, RT wrote:


Pete Loud wrote in message ...
When Saddam was killing and gassing Iraqis, guess who it was who was
supporting him.

Another whinging Pom...............

So? Does that make him wrong?

No. He's wrong, but that's not why.

On 8 Jan 2004 00:19:27 -0800, (Tchiowa) wrote:

john wrote in message . ..
On 7 Jan 2004 16:40:56 -0800, (Tchiowa) wrote:

"Pete Loud" wrote in message ...
No. He's wrong, but that's not why


Are you saying that US, and specifically Donald Rumsfeld, were not
supporting Saddam Hussein in the 1980's?

Read this article http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/122603C.shtml

Are you under the impression that your URL is anything but extremist
propaganda? It's kind of like quoting a KKK website about opinions of
blacks. Or quoting a PLO website for opinions about Israel.


Never mind the URL.

The discussion is about Rumsfeld/Shultz conduct during 1983-1984.

Do you deny the truth of the statements made?

The statement made was that the US supported Saddam while Saddam was
gassing Kurds. Yes, I deny that.

I guess "you can't handle the truth!"

Many comments were made in the article about Rumsfeld's conduct and
Schultz's conduct during 1883-1984.

Please tell us WHY you believe the statements to be false.

john wrote in message . ..
On 8 Jan 2004 00:19:27 -0800, (Tchiowa) wrote:

john wrote in message . ..
On 7 Jan 2004 16:40:56 -0800, (Tchiowa) wrote:

"Pete Loud" wrote in message ...
No. He's wrong, but that's not why


Are you saying that US, and specifically Donald Rumsfeld, were not
supporting Saddam Hussein in the 1980's?

Read this article http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/122603C.shtml

Are you under the impression that your URL is anything but extremist
propaganda? It's kind of like quoting a KKK website about opinions of
blacks. Or quoting a PLO website for opinions about Israel.


Never mind the URL.

The discussion is about Rumsfeld/Shultz conduct during 1983-1984.

Do you deny the truth of the statements made?

The statement made was that the US supported Saddam while Saddam was
gassing Kurds. Yes, I deny that.

I guess "you can't handle the truth!"

Sure I can. Fantasies like this are a little more difficult.

Many comments were made in the article about Rumsfeld's conduct and
Schultz's conduct during 1883-1984.

The article was nothing but propaganda from an extermist left wing
group.

Please tell us WHY you believe the statements to be false.

Because when Saddam gassed the Kurds the US government immediately
condemned him and his actions publicly, including in the UN.

On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 15:36:15 -0800, Tchiowa wrote:


The article was nothing but propaganda from an extermist left wing
group.

Nonsense. The web site may have been. But the article was a reprint for
The Independent, which a british poster confirmed to be pretty much
mainstream. I thought I had already posted that.

Mind you, extremist left folks have been known to be right more often that
not. Just take that WMD crap for example.

On 8 Jan 2004 15:36:15 -0800, (Tchiowa) wrote:

john wrote in message . ..
On 8 Jan 2004 00:19:27 -0800, (Tchiowa) wrote:

john wrote in message . ..
On 7 Jan 2004 16:40:56 -0800, (Tchiowa) wrote:

"Pete Loud" wrote in message ...
No. He's wrong, but that's not why


Are you saying that US, and specifically Donald Rumsfeld, were not
supporting Saddam Hussein in the 1980's?

Read this article http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/122603C.shtml

Are you under the impression that your URL is anything but extremist
propaganda? It's kind of like quoting a KKK website about opinions of
blacks. Or quoting a PLO website for opinions about Israel.


Never mind the URL.

The discussion is about Rumsfeld/Shultz conduct during 1983-1984.

Do you deny the truth of the statements made?

The statement made was that the US supported Saddam while Saddam was
gassing Kurds. Yes, I deny that.

I guess "you can't handle the truth!"

Sure I can. Fantasies like this are a little more difficult.

Many comments were made in the article about Rumsfeld's conduct and
Schultz's conduct during 1883-1984.

The article was nothing but propaganda from an extermist left wing
group.

I suppose you don't believe that there is a picture of Rummy shaking
Saddam's hand?


Get your head out of the sand or your ass.

Please tell us WHY you believe the statements to be false.

Because when Saddam gassed the Kurds the US government immediately
condemned him and his actions publicly, including in the UN.

john muttered....



I suppose you don't believe that there is a picture of Rummy shaking
Saddam's hand?



Goes in same folder with photos of Chamberlain & H*tler tete a tete, FDR
and Uncle Joe warmly greeting, Nixon/Kruschev (before K starts throwing
shoes), etc.. Many folks, not just USAian pols, thought that a modest
boost for the wily Saddam might topple the then fresh and repressive
Iranian regime.

They who might search for any hint of morality or virtue in international
politics are soon discouraged, the manual of standard practices having long
ago been composed by graduates of Jesuit institutions.

TMO

In article ,
(Tchiowa) wrote:

Many comments were made in the article about Rumsfeld's conduct and
Schultz's conduct during 1883-1984.

The article was nothing but propaganda from an extermist left wing
group.

As has already been pointed out a number of times, the article is from a
reputable broadsheet. This is a direct link to it:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...p?story=475931

The source for the facts reported in it are declassified documents
released by the US government. Are you saying that the US government is
lying about this?

Please tell us WHY you believe the statements to be false.

Because when Saddam gassed the Kurds the US government immediately
condemned him and his actions publicly, including in the UN.

But did something else behind closed doors, as it has now implicitly
admitted.

On 8 Jan 2004 00:19:27 -0800, (Tchiowa) wrote:

The statement made was that the US supported Saddam while Saddam was
gassing Kurds. Yes, I deny that.

Oh well, if denial helps you to sleep at night with those images of
the kids of Halabja running thru your mind then go for it.

Fool!