New aircraft design has rows of passengers sitting face-to-face

William Black wrote:

David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
No one ever objected to me pulling some food and a non-alcoholic drink
out of a bag and consuming them on a plane. If you're subtle with the
booze, you probably won't get into trouble on the plane either. I did it
once on an Egyptair flight during Ramadan.

Tried getting your drink through security in the past couple of months?

Not for the last couple of years, actually, but believe it or not, we
have shops in the airports here.

I don't want to have to sneak a beer onto a plane,

So go without a drink for a few hours then.

--
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"[Do you think the world learned anything from the first
world war?] No. They never learn." -Harry Patch (1898-2009)

David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
William Black wrote:

David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
No one ever objected to me pulling some food and a non-alcoholic drink
out of a bag and consuming them on a plane. If you're subtle with the
booze, you probably won't get into trouble on the plane either. I did it
once on an Egyptair flight during Ramadan.
Tried getting your drink through security in the past couple of months?

Not for the last couple of years, actually, but believe it or not, we
have shops in the airports here.

I don't want to have to sneak a beer onto a plane,

So go without a drink for a few hours then.


You're being deliberately obtuse.


--
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
single handed with a quarterstaff.

William Black wrote:

David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
William Black wrote:

David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
No one ever objected to me pulling some food and a non-alcoholic drink
out of a bag and consuming them on a plane. If you're subtle with the
booze, you probably won't get into trouble on the plane either. I did it
once on an Egyptair flight during Ramadan.
Tried getting your drink through security in the past couple of months?

Not for the last couple of years, actually, but believe it or not, we
have shops in the airports here.

I don't want to have to sneak a beer onto a plane,

So go without a drink for a few hours then.


You're being deliberately obtuse.

That's ironic. AIrlines ban alcohol on planes (even when they hand it
out for free) because they don't want drunk passengers. If you have a
drink with your home-made sandwich, you will almost certainly not draw
attention to yourself. I'm offering perfectly feasible alternatives to
airline food and drink- with the advantage that _you_ decide when you
consume it.

--
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www.davidhorne.net (email address on website)
"[Do you think the world learned anything from the first
world war?] No. They never learn." -Harry Patch (1898-2009)

In article ,
(David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

I don't see the big deal. People will quite happily take a 12-hour train
journey and not expect free refreshment- including in first class in
some cases..

Ah, but in trains you can move around and find a dining or snack car.

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habitual longing to purchase, read, store, admire, and consume books in excess.

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erilar wrote:

In article ,
(David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

I don't see the big deal. People will quite happily take a 12-hour train
journey and not expect free refreshment- including in first class in
some cases..

Ah, but in trains you can move around and find a dining or snack car.

Not always, actually- or one which is very limited in its offerings.

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www.davidhorne.net (email address on website)
"[Do you think the world learned anything from the first
world war?] No. They never learn." -Harry Patch (1898-2009)

David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
erilar wrote:

In article ,
(David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

A great trip from the technology point of view would be the mainland
Europe high speed services. I recommend the superfast Paris-Marseilles
and Madrid-Seville- there are others though...
Well, one of the reasons I like trains is being able to sightsee without
running off the road, so the high speed trains that go into tunnels just
when the scenery gets interesting aren't really my first choice unless
I'm really going a long distance.

Those particular high speed lines don't have _so_ many tunnels as I
recall. The Paris-Marseilles line is partcularly impressive, as you can
clearly see the scenery change as you go south, or north. But that said,
they are going so quickly that it's a different kind of sightsee...


I spent the last two years doing a long distance weekly commute in
Germany. The modern high-speed trains go through a lot of cuttings as
well as tunnels, and in many places there are sound-proofing walls
blocking the view, so you don't get to see a lot of scenery. The main
dislike I had was that the trains were usually totally packed -if you
didn't reserve a seat, you could well stand the entire trip. Also,
standing around on a freezing cold windy platform in winter waiting for
a train was zero fun. Whenever I could, I took the plane instead.

T.

James Silverton wrote:

Jesper wrote on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:43:36 +0000 (UTC):

On 2009-09-21, William Black wrote:
tim..... wrote:
"William Black" wrote in
message ...
If I don't get offered free food and drink I find another
airline...

Were do you normally fly.

Usually to the Middle and Far East from the UK.

How do you define "long haul". It's 2377 miles from Washington, DC to
San Francisco, CA and you get no food. Perhaps you do on London,
England to Aden (3663 miles).


IIRC a "long haul" flight is normally considered a non - domestic
flight...in past times the term generally meant an "overseas" flight.


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Greg

Tom P wrote:

tim..... wrote:
"William Black" wrote in message
...
Hatunen wrote:
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:06:41 +0100, William Black
wrote:

Tofu wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/ar...el-option.html
No lap straps, no TV, no way to deliver food or drinks, no way
to get to a sick passenger...
Food? Drinks? You haven't been paying attention to the latest
developments,
have you?


I just fly in them...

If I don't get offered free food and drink I find another airline...

Were do you normally fly.

Now that BA have announced that they will stop I know of no airlines
at all that give free food to standard economy pax within Europe.


That's strange. I got a sandwich yesterday on Lufthansa ZRH-DUS.


Plenty of European airlines still offer some sort of free catering on their
European flights, even in Economy...some are "legacy" carriers, some are new
"budget" lines.

Frex budget carrier Air Berlin has free-of-charge catering on all of it's
flights, even the shortest. You even get things like free newspapers, etc.
on Air Berlin flights...

IIRC on some of their longer flights you have the option to buy full hot
meals, but even pax on their shortest flights will get a free snack and a
non-alcohlic drink...

This is one of the reasons that Air Berlin is pretty well-regarded, at least
service-wise...


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Greg

William Black wrote:

David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
William Black wrote:

David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
No one ever objected to me pulling some food and a non-alcoholic
drink out of a bag and consuming them on a plane. If you're subtle
with the booze, you probably won't get into trouble on the plane
either. I did it once on an Egyptair flight during Ramadan.
Tried getting your drink through security in the past couple of
months?

Not for the last couple of years, actually, but believe it or not, we
have shops in the airports here.

I don't want to have to sneak a beer onto a plane,

So go without a drink for a few hours then.


You're being deliberately obtuse.


Lol...that's not a "new" characteristic of Queen Horne's...

:-)


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Greg

Martin wrote:

On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:27:25 +0100, "Ian F."
wrote:

"Martin" wrote in message
...

I don't buy bottles of water. I am quite capable of surviving a
European flight
without drinking water.

Some people seem incapable of surviving a 30 minute train journey
without slurping every two minutes from huge bottles of water! You'd
think they were crossing the Sahara instead of going from Balham to
Leicester Square on the tube!

Very true.

If God had wanted people to carry water he would have given them
humps or had them injected in a Dutch bacon factory.


Or he would have made them all Amerikans...

:-)


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Greg