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Corné wrote:
By all means let's assist and encourage people in this NG to come to Africa and enjoy the wildlife, landscapes, cultures and people. Hear hear! And a good and not expensive way is to visit Amukela Game Lodge, owner managed and maximum accommodating 8 guests at once. Authenthic township visits can be arranged on request. We also visit Thomas' (one of our staff memebers) house, which he built himself. After staying in the unspoilt bush (yesterday the Elephants were at my waterhole) you will understand the Hemingway of Africa! Bushregards, Corné. www.amukela.com This is exactly the kind of problem faced by the industry in SA: "Come to our lovely game reserve, where you can visit the waterhole and see the animals, then visit the township and see the natives." We've got to do better than this! I don't doubt your intentions, Corné, just your means. Kurt |
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Corné wrote:
Colour is no longer an issue anymore in the new South Africa The above statement is pure nonsense, and I defy you to justify it with a factual argument. If you care to do so, I suggest a new thread. Kurt |
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schreef in bericht ups.com... Corné wrote: Colour is no longer an issue anymore in the new South Africa The above statement is pure nonsense, and I defy you to justify it with a factual argument. Thabo Mbeki, the ANC, DA, IFP, Desmond Tutu etc. etc. all mention this every time again on public holidays. Corné |
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This is exactly the kind of problem faced by the industry in SA: "Come to our lovely game reserve, where you can visit the waterhole and see the animals, then visit the township and see the natives." You mention the local people as 'natives'.... not so nice. A lot of people are interrested in the culture and how local tribes such as the Shangane live. What is the problem with that? Corné. |
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Kurt wrote: "and that Kruger and private reserves were created in the last century in South Africa by kicking local people off" The above statement is pure nonsense, and I defy you to justify it with a factual argument. If you care to do so, I suggest a new thread. Corné. |
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Corné wrote:
schreef in bericht ups.com... Corné wrote: Colour is no longer an issue anymore in the new South Africa The above statement is pure nonsense, and I defy you to justify it with a factual argument. Thabo Mbeki, the ANC, DA, IFP, Desmond Tutu etc. etc. all mention this every time again on public holidays. Corné I think I understand now. You're conflating the shared South African aspiration to "build a non-racial and non-sexist nation" (a paraphrase of the Freedom Charter and favoured speech line of Mbeki's) with your assertion that "colour is no longer an issue anymore in the new South Africa." These two statements are far apart in meaning and significance (far beyond the non-equivalent terms of 'colour' and 'race') -- I hope you can see that. Clearly, you haven't read the national discussion documents or policies on BEE or BBBEE, much less the literature on transformation and social justice in South Africa that's more academic and less political (I can recommend the clear and readable ANC statement on affirmative action and the new constitution from 1994 that outlines the basic principles involved, online at http://www.anc.org.za/ancdocs/policy/affirm.html - I've given other references to relevant documents and sites earlier in this thread.). Of course race is still an issue. For example, every major national industrial sector has a binding charter on empowering Black South Africans. Every midsized or larger company and organisation must produce and publish their race- and gender-oriented empowerment plan and report on it through a race- and gender-based scorecard -- tourism may be late to the game, but we're no exception. Race and gender are issues that must be focussed on in the near term in order to achieve the goal in the long term. The imbalances of the present can't be rectified by defining them out of the problem through semantic flim-flam or having politicians declare them balanced. We're too far from the NG topic now, so after your last word (which I'm sure you'll want to get in), please post future discussion on this topic to soc.culture.south-africa. Kurt |
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Corné wrote:
Kurt wrote: "and that Kruger and private reserves were created in the last century in South Africa by kicking local people off" The above statement is pure nonsense, and I defy you to justify it with a factual argument. If you care to do so, I suggest a new thread. Corné. 1. There were no Europeans residing in present-day South Africa prior to the 17th century, yet extensive archaeological evidence shows habitation across the region for thousands of years prior (e.g., Mapungubwe, Thuthlane and hundreds of iron age and stone age sites). Hence, there were local African people resident all across the country, including Khoekhoe pastoralists and San hunter-gatherers before and after the pre-11th century migration of Nguni-language speaking black Africans along the Shashe-Limpopo valley and into what is now South Africa. All sizable tracts of land privately owned (by any entity) in the colonial era (post 17th century) that did not have local people on it (or using it for agriculture, hunting or grazing -- especially in the settled, agrarian Kruger-region of the country) was therefore, de facto, cleared. That is, the local people were 'kicked off'. 2. The instance with the greatest press coverage in recent years was the Makuleke tribe, who were forcibly removed from the northern extreme of the Kruger National Park in 1969 and in 1996 instituted a land claim. Documentation of this process can be read in "Land Claims and National Parks - the Makuleke Experience", Bertus de Villiers, Human Sciences Research Council, Pretoria, 1999. Softcover, ISBN 0-7969-1894-5. This is but one example, and there are many different such claims outlined at http://www.kruger2canyons.com/restitution.htm as well as in the publication "Blood and Soil: Land, Politics and Conflict Prevention in Zimbabwe and South Africa" published in 2004. There's also another book by Bertus de Villiers, titled "Land Reform: Issues and Challenges" from 2003 that gives the region (among others) thorough treatment. Once you've read those -- and come to terms with the actual process by which you've come to "own" the land you're now on and profiting from through tourism -- I'll be happy to continue in soc.culture.south-africa And...putting your "Township Tour" in the context of just this kind of history, pre-history and social context would be a good move in the right direction. Kurt |
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New thread started under the topic "Improving the safari product in
South Africa" Kurt http://groups.google.com/group/rec.t...139f74f975e1ce |
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