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Pre-empting the scare mongerers...
There is an e-mail going around purporting to show the decapitated and
dismembered body of a woman found in Hillbrow, Johannesburg. The e-mail claims that the event is typical of the violence one can expect when visiting South Africa. The photographs are real, but the description is false. The incident took place in Jamaica a few years back, and HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH SOUTH AFRICA. I detest these types of sordid, scare mongering bits of mis-information that only serve to increase negativity for no reason. They also waste precious bandwidth. What bothers me even more, is the mentality of the idiots who perpetuate or originate the garbage. What DO they hope to achieve? While I am in no doubt that similar incidents do happen in South Africa, I can see no reason why someone would need to fake the story. I wouldn't be surprised if our friend, Neil Watson / Juan Uys / Skye the rent boy, (Crimexposouthafrica.com) wasn't behind this little piece of digusting drivel. |
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On 5 Jul, 18:02, Marc Lurie wrote:
There is an e-mail going around purporting to show the decapitated and dismembered body of a woman found in Hillbrow, Johannesburg. The e-mail claims that the event is typical of the violence one can expect when visiting South Africa. The photographs are real, but the description is false. The incident took place in Jamaica a few years back, and HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH SOUTH AFRICA. I detest these types of sordid, scare mongering bits of mis-information that only serve to increase negativity for no reason. They also waste precious bandwidth. What bothers me even more, is the mentality of the idiots who perpetuate or originate the garbage. What DO they hope to achieve? While I am in no doubt that similar incidents do happen in South Africa, I can see no reason why someone would need to fake the story. I wouldn't be surprised if our friend, Neil Watson / Juan Uys / Skye the rent boy, (Crimexposouthafrica.com) wasn't behind this little piece of digusting drivel. is this a more balanced opinion ? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/ma...l-news-128.xml |
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Sadly, yes. The Telegraph article is a fact-based article, written
without an apparent agenda. As far as I can see, there's no hysterical knee-jerk journalism in it, and it doesn't contain mistruths, lies, or fabrications. Regards, Marc On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 02:42:43 -0700, me wrote: is this a more balanced opinion ? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/ma...l-news-128.xml |
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Pre-empting the scare mongerers...
On Jul 5, 12:02 pm, Marc Lurie
wrote: There is an e-mail going around purporting to show the decapitated and dismembered body of a woman found in Hillbrow, Johannesburg. The e-mail claims that the event is typical of the violence one can expect when visiting South Africa. The fact that the rates of violence are high in some parts of a city or country doesn't indicate at all that crime would be a risk to travelers in that country. Los Angeles, Chicago, Miami and Paris have some very dangerous areas, but no one talks about refusing to visit those cities for fear of crime, let alone not visit the US or France. The bad areas are very far from anything 99% of tourists would ever encounter. A responsible traveler to South Africa who visits Cape Town, the Garden Route, and Kruger is probably at a roughly similar risk of crime overall as they would be in a typical American urban area, not significantly more or less. |
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Pre-empting the scare mongerers...
You're correct of course, and your comments are those of a person who
looks at the situation with a rational eye, and not with hysteria and sensationalism. I don't entirely agree with you though. My feeling is that a tourist in South Africa is definitely more at risk than a tourist in most other coutries, but as you say, not significantly so. However, while the chances of being affected by crime might be similarly slight, the chances of that crime being disproportionaltely violent is FAR higher in South Africa than in, say, the USA or Europe. Perseonally, however, I don't believe that crime in SA should deter tourists from visiting, they must just be aware of the issue, and the chances are that they will never be affected. The point however, of the OP, was that the event portrayed as having happened in Johannesburg actually happened in Jamaica. This begs the question of WHY someone might attribute the crime to South Africa and fabricate the story. What motives do they have in the first place etc. Unfortunately, the internet is a convenient hiding place for all manner of kooks and nutcases who use the anonymity of the internet to spread mistruth, lies, and misdirection for their own ends. Cheers, Marc On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:21:36 -0700, wrote: The fact that the rates of violence are high in some parts of a city or country doesn't indicate at all that crime would be a risk to travelers in that country. SNIP A responsible traveler to South Africa who visits Cape Town, the Garden Route, and Kruger is probably at a roughly similar risk of crime overall as they would be in a typical American urban area, not significantly more or less. |
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On Jul 31, 3:38 am, Marc Lurie
wrote: I don't entirely agree with you though. My feeling is that a tourist in South Africa is definitely more at risk than a tourist in most other coutries, but as you say, not significantly so. However, while the chances of being affected by crime might be similarly slight, the chances of that crime being disproportionaltely violent is FAR higher in South Africa than in, say, the USA or Europe. Perseonally, however, I don't believe that crime in SA should deter tourists from visiting, they must just be aware of the issue, and the chances are that they will never be affected. Visitors to Brazil or Mexico, for example, definitely need to be aware of the risks of crime in those countries. In the larger cities especially, you have to know which areas are unsafe by day or night, and what things to watch out for - you don't wander around aimlessly in strange areas at night, or carry valuable items on your person for no reason, and you might even divide your money between pockets in case you are robbed. But it's not like any significant percentage of visitors become victims, out of the millions who visit those countries every year, and it certainly shouldn't put anyone off from visiting those countries or make them too scared to venture outside of a few resort areas. The situation for visitors to South Africa is similar. I see your point about how the crimes that do occur against tourists in South Africa are disproportionately violent crimes. In most European cities, the worst thing that happens to tourists on a regular basis is pickpocketing or bag snatching. The point however, of the OP, was that the event portrayed as having happened in Johannesburg actually happened in Jamaica. This begs the question of WHY someone might attribute the crime to South Africa and fabricate the story. What motives do they have in the first place etc. While crime is obviously a very serious issue in South Africa, by making the situation sound much worse than it actually is, are they trying to discredit the current government? |
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I don't entirely agree with you though. My feeling is that a tourist
in South Africa is definitely more at risk than a tourist in most other coutries, but as you say, not significantly so. Hi Marc, Let's go to the matter of this distinction, tourist. Having traveled widely, I can well anticipate some stereotypes (especially ugly Americans) that lend weight to this heightened risk. Obvious displays of consumer wealth are a crime magnet anywhere when one is out of their element. What can a traveler do for camouflage? I have scanned the online newspapers for crowd scenes to judge what is being worn (not many Bermuda shorts and Hawaiian shirts that typify US vacationers there). What is surprising is that I don't really see any garb that suggests any national identity. That is, the cut of a suit can be easily identified as being British or Italian - in the extreme - but when we submerge into the ordinary street clothes, then I don't see anything particularly South African. Of course, my examples are sparse and online news is hardly concerned with those kinds of photo shots (and "fashion" is as alien from the mainstream in any country as to be useless as a guide). So, at the risk of sounding like a come-on, what are you wearing now? :-) Do jeans predominate? Would "Dockers" brand one as north American? Are sandals bohemian or strictly bush? Does a Panama straw hat mark you Latino? Are jackets worn, or just shirts? Button-down collars? No collars? How about cardigan sweaters (not that I have any)? Are tourists the only people who carry cameras? (That would be unfortunate.) Do you wear ball caps? If so, are they worn backwards? (Hard to say which way is backwards anymore.) Do certain colors predominate? How about sunglasses? I won't ask about a fanny- pack.... Regards, Richard |
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On Aug 31, 12:52 am, Marc Lurie
wrote: If you walked into a Cabela's store and bought a whole range of safari clothing, you'll stick out here like a sore thumb. ;-) Hi Marc, Well, in fact I have bought boots from them in the past. As for their product line I can appreciate your point (not my style at all). Who in South Africa (a store) represents the place one would shop for casual clothes worn around the house and out to market? That's a great idea to look at crowd photos. I'll have a look around and see if I can find any. I'll post links on this thread. Thanks, I will look forward to anything you might find. Carrying things to the extreme (or rather, the mundane), if we were wearing khaki, would that mark us as being from the veld? Hicks or easy marks, so to speak, when in Durban? Regards, Richard |
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