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CNN article on problems in Air Travel, as seen by FAA
On Sep 13, 2:38 pm, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net
wrote: me wrote: [snip] Of the traffic being discussed, I'd suspect that is not true. Not sure how to prove it however. For GA in general, I'd suspect the vast majority would PREFER no ATC. What airport are you talking about DED The current AFD shows that Daytona handles approach and departure and there's no tower freq listedhttp://www.naco.faa.gov/pdfs/se_56_30AUG2007.pdfand it looks like it seldom averages more than 2 IFR operations per hourhttp://flightaware.com/analysis/graphs/airport.rvt?airport=KDED. It was just approved last year. Engineering and planning are going on now. Not sure they even have an announced opening date. But all that aside. Do you really think that the incremental cost to the ATC system for the services provided to a Cessna Citation III are really over $24/hour? If not then GA is paying it's fair share because the ATC system is primarily there because of the airlines. Others use it because it is there Well, I'm not commenting upon all of GA. The comment was made that GA jets would "get along fine" without ATC and I think for the true business jet traffic that just isn't true. |
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CNN article on problems in Air Travel, as seen by FAA
Neil Gould wrote:
Recently, NotPC posted: Snip Yeah, get rid of all the women and blacks. And take the stupid bigots with them at the same time. I did not say get rid of all the women and blacks. [...] The failure to see that the promotion of minorities and women into some key safety positions within the FAA was a mistake. Perhaps you can explain the difference between these remarks, and how they are not bigotted? Neil I don't condone bigots, but there is evidence, at least in other areas, of standard being lowered so that minority races and women could be promoted in certain positions or to permit them entry into certain educational institutions in order to meet a quota. |
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CNN article on problems in Air Travel, as seen by FAA
me wrote:
Well, I'm not commenting upon all of GA. The comment was made that GA jets would "get along fine" without ATC and I think for the true business jet traffic that just isn't true. If it wasn't for concern over running all the airlines up there ATC wouldn't be needed or what was needed could be paid for out of FAA petty cash. There are 5 or 6 jets based at my home field (ELD) plus there is almost always at least one out of town jet on the ramp during the week and we have 5 commuter airline flights per day. No one has ever even thought of it being a towered airport. And it looks like we have many more IFR operations than DED http://flightaware.com/analysis/grap...t?airport=KELD Now, you may have a TON of none IFR ops and the jet guys bullied through a tower to deal with that. |
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CNN article on problems in Air Travel, as seen by FAA
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:07:35 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote: John Kulp wrote: On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:28:25 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote: John Kulp wrote: On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:50:43 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote: John Kulp wrote: Perhaps. It's been a loooong time since I was piloting aircraft. But then, what are the fees being talked about for exactly? Why, exactly, are the majors talking about their customers paying almost all the freight then? They are paying for the services they are using. Most of the infrastructure is there because of the airlines and their passengers. All those little airplanes and even the CEO jets that are flying around can and do function quite well without much less. Well, the issue as I understand it is user fees, not fuel tax. The argument is that GA doesn't pay these and all the airline passengers do. Is that not the case? The airlines pay a lesser fuel tax and per segment tax. GA doesn't pay a per segment tax but this is made up for with a higher per gal fuel tax. Nothing confusing about all this is there? No not really. It has worked for YEARS. It allows the airlines to pass on a cost directly to their passengers without a whole lot of trouble because it is a /pax tax. It is if you're not used to it. If you think that is confusing take a look at the plans for GA user fees and try to imagine how that tax would be collected. If the government could collect the taxes they have now, they wouldn't need to have more |
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CNN article on problems in Air Travel, as seen by FAA
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:22:41 -0400, NotPC
wrote: No, it's just ignorant, and exposes the speaker as a bigot. For example, would you say, "Hey, that White Male is unqualified"? Would you think that the white male's incompetence is a result of his being a white male? I understand that these concepts are difficult for some people to grasp, but it really is not about being PC. Neil I agree on your statement about white males but here is the problem. IF? you say that "Person" (Who happens to be a Black Female) is unqualified or incompetent and it comes from a white male manager they will most of the time scream racism and bigot like you have. It will prevent accountability and most likely they will be "Accommodated" or promoted into a higher level of incompetency(See FAA Management) Because all the guys like you give them all the ammunition they need to do so? The "White Male" does not have that luxury of being shielded by the PC Police. If the white male is incompetent or unqualified, he will most likely be removed, demoted, or fired. He has no minority status to shield his HR position. That concept is difficult to explain or understand by PC Which don't even exist anywhere, of course, except in your midget mind. Never met one in my life. robots like you. IAW, you are most likely a bigot toward white males and have been brainwashed to "Kiss the Black Ass" and ignore or circumvent or accommodate incompetent minorities in the work place. Most likely he is a normal human being instead of one like you with their bigoted heads planted right up their fat asses. Political Correctness-Tyranny with Manners Racial bigots-morons with no manners BTW, Is it OK to call you a bigot toward white males? Wouldn't make any difference since everyone just laughs at idiots like you anyway |
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CNN article on problems in Air Travel, as seen by FAA
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message ... me wrote: Well, I'm not commenting upon all of GA. The comment was made that GA jets would "get along fine" without ATC and I think for the true business jet traffic that just isn't true. If it wasn't for concern over running all the airlines up there ATC wouldn't be needed or what was needed could be paid for out of FAA petty cash. Thanks...I needed a good laugh!! |
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CNN article on problems in Air Travel, as seen by FAA
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:19:11 -0700, mrtravel wrote:
Neil Gould wrote: Recently, NotPC posted: Snip Yeah, get rid of all the women and blacks. And take the stupid bigots with them at the same time. I did not say get rid of all the women and blacks. [...] The failure to see that the promotion of minorities and women into some key safety positions within the FAA was a mistake. Perhaps you can explain the difference between these remarks, and how they are not bigotted? Neil I don't condone bigots, but there is evidence, at least in other areas, of standard being lowered so that minority races and women could be promoted in certain positions or to permit them entry into certain educational institutions in order to meet a quota. That's called affirmative action and is true, but that doesn't make them incompetent or dangerous as this moron is saying |
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CNN article on problems in Air Travel, as seen by FAA
"John Kulp" wrote in message
... On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:47:54 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote: Jet fuel is basically kerosene, which is used for multiple purposes. You don't tax industries for fuel per se, but all users of the product. I don't think kerosene has every been taxed much, unlike gas. Everyone pays whatever the tax is on this. Do you not even read what you respond to? The post from Allen above shows you that the Jet Fuel Tax for GA is $0.218/gal. The same fuel used by Airlines is $0.043/gal. Yeah. That's why I said they pay whatever the tax is. I didn't realize from his desciption that only the $0.43 tax was the only tax airlines paid, though (it is actually $0.44). Who pays the second tax? I thought that was airlines as well, but apparently not. You need to put the decimal point in the correct spot - $.044 (four and four-tenths cents) per gallon for airlines. The segment and ticket tax is collected from the passengers, not paid by the airlines. Here is the link to the table I posted: http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/trust_fund/ the link to the spreadsheet is in the first paragraph. -- *H. Allen Smith* WACO - We are all here, because we are not all there. |
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CNN article on problems in Air Travel, as seen by FAA
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CNN article on problems in Air Travel, as seen by FAA
John Kulp wrote:
Nothing confusing about all this is there? No not really. It has worked for YEARS. It allows the airlines to pass on a cost directly to their passengers without a whole lot of trouble because it is a /pax tax. It is if you're not used to it. Well it has been there for years so the only folks that aren't used to it are those that don't fly on airlines in the USA. If you think that is confusing take a look at the plans for GA user fees and try to imagine how that tax would be collected. If the government could collect the taxes they have now, they wouldn't need to have more |
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