Need help for my trip

JP Peiren wrote:
Doug McDonald wrote:
JP Peiren wrote:

Natural Bridges. It is a bit out of the way,
and similar to the larger arches in Arches, but very nice.

But if you're going to see Arches, I'd say Natural Bridges can be
bypassed.

Day 06 - 07 Visit Arches, stay in Moab
Day 08 - 09 - 10 Visit Canyonlands + stay in Moab

You don't need this much time unles you do LOTS of hiking.

I'd say two days is about right for Arches, even without that much
hiking. Besides which, you'll often want to do most of your hiking in
the morning and evening, both because it's cooler and because the
lighting for photography is much better. You can spend some of the
mid-day hours in the visitor's center, or eating lunch, or otherwise
plotting the rest of your day. Or, you can go ahead and hike in the
heat of the day [if the day isn't TOO hot], provided you're properly
clothed and have plenty of liquids.

Three days for Canyonlands might be a day long. I'd figure on one day
for Island in the Sky and one day for the Needles [with moderate
hiking]. If you have plans for an all day hike in the Needles
district, then a third day would be easy to fill.

Day 11 Moab via Capitol Reef + stay near Bryce Canyon (Rubys Inn ?)
Capitol Reef can be slighted.

Day 12 - 13 Visit Bryce Canyon
Day 14 Bryce - Cedar Breaks - stay in Layton or Ogden

This is too much for Bryce.

Again, I would disagree. Two days for Bryce is about right. A
half-day for Cedar Breaks is also about right, particularly if you've
already spent several days hiking around Bryce.

If you stay in Ogden, I would suggest the museums at Union Station as
a possibly entertaining use of your time. Also, near the SLC airport
[well, not *really* near, but in the vicinity], I would suggest the
Kennecott copper mine as another possible stop.

Day 15 Layton - Yellowstone NP (is the Old Faithfull a good place to stay ?)

I like the Old Faithful Inn. There's a good mixture of prices, from
around $60 and on up. Kinda cool to be able to amble out to the
geyser [or, if feeling lazier, ambling out to the balcony] to watch an
eruption as often as you like during a stay.

Day 16 - 20 Visit Yellowstone NP

Is it possible to stay in 1 hotel during the whole visit or is it better to change hotels ?

Because of the size of the park, it makes sense to stay at different
locations during your stay. It does mean more packing an unpacking,
but it also means less backtracking and driving. Keep in mind the
speed limit is going to be [at most] 45 mph, and you'll have to drive
slower than that in many places [due to "animal jams," construction,
congestion, etc]. And there are always things to see and do along the
way, so don't plan or averaging anything close to 45 mph on an actual
drive.

It particularly makes sense to move during a longer stay, as you have
planned.

We stay at least 5 days in Yellowstone.

I would think maybe two nights at Old Faithful, two nights and Mammoth
Hot Springs, and a night at Lake or Grant Village would work. On the
other hand, getting from Yellowstone all the way back to SLC in one
day is a pretty long haul [assuming you'll want to stop even for a few
hours along the way [in Grand Teton, Jackson Hole, etc]. You might
consider spending a night in Montpellier, ID on the return trip.
There's nothing particularly significant about Montpellier, other than
that it breaks up a very long day's drive into one moderately long
drive and one very easy and scenic drive.

If you think you're going to do more hiking in Grand Teton, then you
might want to stay instead in Jackson [much closer to Grand Teton, but
a whole lot more expensive than Montpellier].

On an unrelated note, I think one of your earlier days, from Tucson,
visiting Saguaro NP, then heading over to Organ Pipe, then up to
Scottsdale, might be a little long. I'm not sure if the payoff is
worth the drive.

Something that might be a better use of your time might be to visit
Sabino Canyon in the Coronado National Forest. That area burned a
year or so ago, so you might want to check to see, but when I visited
the area [6-7 years ago], I thought the Saguaro there were much more
impressive than the ones in the Tucson Mountain district of Saguaro NP
[didn't visit the Rincon Mt. district].

Also in Tucson, the Arizona-Sonoran Desert Museum might be worth a
visit. Plenty of animals in relatively spacious confines, so it's
quasi-natural in appearance. So you'll see more animals and probably
learn more about their environment than you would in a visit to
Saguaro NP and Organ Pipe Cactus NM. Then, if time permits, you can
still do a half-day at Sabino Canyon or a drive through of part of
Saguaro NP [which, judging by your timetable, is all you planned for
that park, anyway] on your way towards Phoenix.

TK

(Todd Kunioka) wrote in
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There's nothing particularly significant about Montpellier, other than
that it breaks up a very long day's drive into one moderately long
drive and one very easy and scenic drive.

If you think you're going to do more hiking in Grand Teton, then you
might want to stay instead in Jackson [much closer to Grand Teton, but
a whole lot more expensive than Montpellier].

Soda Springs, Lava Hot Springs or Bear Lake Utah all have a lot more to
offer than Montpelier of all places. Franklin Idaho at least has a little
historical scandal (the first settlers, polygamist Mormons, thought they
were still in Utah only to find out a few years later they were in Idaho
where polygamy was not only a crime but an impediment to holding elected
office.)

(Todd Kunioka) wrote in
om:


There's nothing particularly significant about Montpellier, other than
that it breaks up a very long day's drive into one moderately long
drive and one very easy and scenic drive.

If you think you're going to do more hiking in Grand Teton, then you
might want to stay instead in Jackson [much closer to Grand Teton, but
a whole lot more expensive than Montpellier].

Soda Springs, Lava Hot Springs or Bear Lake Utah all have a lot more to
offer than Montpelier of all places. Franklin Idaho at least has a little
historical scandal (the first settlers, polygamist Mormons, thought they
were still in Utah only to find out a few years later they were in Idaho
where polygamy was not only a crime but an impediment to holding elected
office.)

Barve New Whirl wrote:
JP Peiren wrote:
Hi, I'm planning a trip in May next year. We are two couples (2 drivers)
This is our schedule:

Day 01 Brussels - Tucson

Were I you, and were I going to the USA I wouldn't tell anyone my
itinerary let alone post it on USENET. Don't you read the USA crime
statistics where you are?

If you are being serious, this is the weirdest thing I've read all week.
Please explain the scenario in which the provided information facilitates a
crime.

miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu

Barve New Whirl wrote:
JP Peiren wrote:
Hi, I'm planning a trip in May next year. We are two couples (2 drivers)
This is our schedule:

Day 01 Brussels - Tucson

Were I you, and were I going to the USA I wouldn't tell anyone my
itinerary let alone post it on USENET. Don't you read the USA crime
statistics where you are?

If you are being serious, this is the weirdest thing I've read all week.
Please explain the scenario in which the provided information facilitates a
crime.

miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:51:18 GMT, "Aramis"
wrote:

What???? You've gone all wonky mate.

Are criminals lurking on USENET waiting to ambush Belgian tourists?

And if they were, how would they spot these particular Belgian couples
driving around the Southwest? "Hey, Tommy, I think those are the people from
Brussels I read about on USENET! It's May, we're in Arizona, and they sure
look Belgian to me!Let's get 'em!"

Assuming they could be identified on America's rural byways, or someone
decide that checking every hotel in the southwest for the month of May for
their name was a good idea, what in their posting would make them look like
a better target than any other tourist? Preferable to, say....some Brits
(gasp!)


Hey less of that!!! I am a Brit and also planning a visit to that
very area next year. I certainly don't want criminals to think that
Brits are better than Belgians. I mean, obviously we are, but I don't
want criminals to know that.

Pick on the Germans if you must pick on somebody!!!!! 8^)


Regards (hastily ducking behind monitor)




KGB

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:51:18 GMT, "Aramis"
wrote:

What???? You've gone all wonky mate.

Are criminals lurking on USENET waiting to ambush Belgian tourists?

And if they were, how would they spot these particular Belgian couples
driving around the Southwest? "Hey, Tommy, I think those are the people from
Brussels I read about on USENET! It's May, we're in Arizona, and they sure
look Belgian to me!Let's get 'em!"

Assuming they could be identified on America's rural byways, or someone
decide that checking every hotel in the southwest for the month of May for
their name was a good idea, what in their posting would make them look like
a better target than any other tourist? Preferable to, say....some Brits
(gasp!)


Hey less of that!!! I am a Brit and also planning a visit to that
very area next year. I certainly don't want criminals to think that
Brits are better than Belgians. I mean, obviously we are, but I don't
want criminals to know that.

Pick on the Germans if you must pick on somebody!!!!! 8^)


Regards (hastily ducking behind monitor)




KGB

"Miguel Cruz" wrote...
Were I you, and were I going to the USA I wouldn't tell anyone my
itinerary let alone post it on USENET. Don't you read the USA crime
statistics where you are?

If you are being serious, this is the weirdest thing I've read all week.
Please explain the scenario in which the provided information facilitates
a crime.

As to crime, generally, I've traveled extensively throughout the U.S.
and Europe for over 30 yrs., and my only brush with crime was an
incompetent pick pocket in Rome. Now, I'm sure that any one of us
can have a chance encounter with the criminal element by being in the
wrong place at the wrong time, but the idea that professional criminals
are reading NG's to glean someone's travel plans is patently absurd. [R]

"Miguel Cruz" wrote...
Were I you, and were I going to the USA I wouldn't tell anyone my
itinerary let alone post it on USENET. Don't you read the USA crime
statistics where you are?

If you are being serious, this is the weirdest thing I've read all week.
Please explain the scenario in which the provided information facilitates
a crime.

As to crime, generally, I've traveled extensively throughout the U.S.
and Europe for over 30 yrs., and my only brush with crime was an
incompetent pick pocket in Rome. Now, I'm sure that any one of us
can have a chance encounter with the criminal element by being in the
wrong place at the wrong time, but the idea that professional criminals
are reading NG's to glean someone's travel plans is patently absurd. [R]

Roger B. wrote:
"Miguel Cruz" wrote...
Were I you, and were I going to the USA I wouldn't tell anyone my
itinerary let alone post it on USENET. Don't you read the USA crime
statistics where you are?

If you are being serious, this is the weirdest thing I've read all week.
Please explain the scenario in which the provided information facilitates
a crime.

As to crime, generally, I've traveled extensively throughout the U.S.
and Europe for over 30 yrs., and my only brush with crime was an
incompetent pick pocket in Rome. Now, I'm sure that any one of us
can have a chance encounter with the criminal element by being in the
wrong place at the wrong time, but the idea that professional criminals
are reading NG's to glean someone's travel plans is patently absurd. [R]

Criminal 1: Hey, I just read on the internet that there's going to be a
tourist at the Grand Canyon on the 15th of September!

Criminal 2: Wow, finally, after all these years, that's just the break we've
been waiting for! Call the travel agent, we're flying to Arizona! And make
it first class - This is the big one!

miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu