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Pay for a Cuban cigar lately? Nicotine is reportedly just as addictive
as heroin. Let's use another example; a quarter ounce of decent marijuana goes for Forty dollars locally and most users would consider this a weeks supply today. A carton of Marlboros is currently within a dollar of this; again a weeks supply for most users... Will users pay "drug prices" for tobacco? They do now; it's a drug after all. Tim K "Martin" wrote in message ... On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:20:39 +0100, "Andy Pandy" wrote: "Martin" wrote in message news As, on average, low earners smoke more should we reduce the tax on ciggies? Indeed, reducing cigarette tax would be one of the most effective ways of reducing the tax on the poor. and reducing the population. Why not sell only high tar brands too? Packets could contain the words "Non Smokers are wimps". Yup. I'm not saying it's a good idea to reduce the tax, but cigarette tax is even more regressive than council tax and does hit the poor who smoke very hard. Maybe the sale of tobacco should be banned, I can't imagine anybody paying drug prices for a cigarette. -- Martin |
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Andy Pandy wrote:
"chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco" wrote in message news:1h05j0e.13lttb815dwlcmN%this_address_is_for_s ... [] Well, my decision to not own a car (and also stop driving altogether) is more for environmental reasons I admit, but it's far cheaper for me not to have a car as well. Basically, if you don't need a car for travelling to and from work during the week, it will rarely be cheaper to own one, as I've calculated it. It depends - if you have a family then you need to multiply public transport costs. That's true, though children will usually travel cheaper, and for leisure travel, there are significant incentives for family travel- thinking of the family railcard for example. It would be considerably more expensive for us not to have a car, and there are places we go where it would be difficult, expensive and/or time consuming to reach by PT. Also when going on holiday etc there are the practicalities of lugging a families worth of baggage around. Sure, and my point here isn't to tell anyone what to do, but I do notice families going on holiday by public transport. Of course, many holidays are by their very nature like this- foreign holidays for example- including air travel (if hardly environmental!) in public transport. [] There are many places, even near me, where it would be very difficult to get around by using just public transport. That said, I think that it's up to all of us (for the sake of the environment) to try harder to use alternatives. We walk to our local supermarket- but I'd suspect we're in the minority on that- most people drive, even when they live closer to it than we do. I'll suggest that to my wife - but I don't think she'll be too impressed by the idea of carrying the £200 monthly shop back from your Tesco's even though it's less than a mile :-) That's a good point. Then again, I tend to shop pretty regularly- the trip to Tesco's and the markets are built into my excercise regime! If I went less often, I'd do what I notice a few people do anyway- walk there, take a taxi back! -- David Horne- www.davidhorne.net usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk |
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Following up to Martin
Who seem to have satellite TV too, judging from the number of dishes on houses in poor areas why shouldnt poor people have satellite TV? -- Mike Reid Walk-eat-UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site Walk-eat-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" -- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap Photos of both "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk" |
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Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
prestwich tesco Well, my decision to not own a car (and also stop driving altogether) is more for environmental reasons I admit, but it's far cheaper for me not to have a car as well. Basically, if you don't need a car for travelling to and from work during the week, it will rarely be cheaper to own one, as I've calculated it. Of course, I made specific decisions as where to live based on the local transport available. There are many places, even near me, where it would be very difficult to get around by using just public transport. That said, I think that it's up to all of us (for the sake of the environment) to try harder to use alternatives. We walk to our local supermarket- but I'd suspect we're in the minority on that- most people drive, even when they live closer to it than we do. why not get a Prius or something? -- Mike Reid Walk-eat-UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site Walk-eat-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" -- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap Photos of both "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk" |
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The Reids wrote:
Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco Well, my decision to not own a car (and also stop driving altogether) is more for environmental reasons I admit, but it's far cheaper for me not to have a car as well. Basically, if you don't need a car for travelling to and from work during the week, it will rarely be cheaper to own one, as I've calculated it. Of course, I made specific decisions as where to live based on the local transport available. There are many places, even near me, where it would be very difficult to get around by using just public transport. That said, I think that it's up to all of us (for the sake of the environment) to try harder to use alternatives. We walk to our local supermarket- but I'd suspect we're in the minority on that- most people drive, even when they live closer to it than we do. why not get a Prius or something? That would perhaps be an option for someone who needed the car. I don't. I really prefer my life without one. -- David Horne- www.davidhorne.net usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk |
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"chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco" wrote in message news:1h060ti.zzgx2u3v4ieaN%this_address_is_for_spa ... Well, my decision to not own a car (and also stop driving altogether) is more for environmental reasons I admit, but it's far cheaper for me not to have a car as well. Basically, if you don't need a car for travelling to and from work during the week, it will rarely be cheaper to own one, as I've calculated it. It depends - if you have a family then you need to multiply public transport costs. That's true, though children will usually travel cheaper, and for leisure travel, there are significant incentives for family travel- thinking of the family railcard for example. Yes, and increasingly PT companies are cottoning onto this - if they want to compete with cars then they need to compete with the fact that 5 people in a car costs the same as one. On the metrolink they now have family tickets which for some journeys are less than the price of two adult tickets. But in general, going to somewhere other than a city centre, going by car is cheaper, easier and much quicker. It would be considerably more expensive for us not to have a car, and there are places we go where it would be difficult, expensive and/or time consuming to reach by PT. Also when going on holiday etc there are the practicalities of lugging a families worth of baggage around. Sure, and my point here isn't to tell anyone what to do, but I do notice families going on holiday by public transport. Of course, many holidays are by their very nature like this- foreign holidays for example- including air travel (if hardly environmental!) in public transport. Yes - but airports cater very well for luggage with trolleys everywhere, large lifts, large luggage areas on trains/buses to airports etc. The metro's not too bad, we've gone by metrolink to the airport via Piccadilly before with loads of luggage, but I wouldn't like to get on a First Manchester 137 bus with the amount of luggage we take on holiday! There are many places, even near me, where it would be very difficult to get around by using just public transport. That said, I think that it's up to all of us (for the sake of the environment) to try harder to use alternatives. We walk to our local supermarket- but I'd suspect we're in the minority on that- most people drive, even when they live closer to it than we do. I'll suggest that to my wife - but I don't think she'll be too impressed by the idea of carrying the £200 monthly shop back from your Tesco's even though it's less than a mile :-) That's a good point. Then again, I tend to shop pretty regularly- the trip to Tesco's and the markets are built into my excercise regime! If I went less often, I'd do what I notice a few people do anyway- walk there, take a taxi back! But that's no more environmentally friendly as the taxi will then probably go back to the supermarket - or elsewhere - for his next fare... But I agree that people use their cars far too much for short journeys just because they are too lazy to walk. When my daughter started nursery half a mile away, I always walked her there, pushing my one year old son in his pushchair. A few doors down was a girl who went to the same nursery - and most mornings we walked past her as she was struggling getting her 3 year old and toddler into the car and belted up. I'd shout "Morning". 5 minutes later they'd pass me on the main road. 10 minutes after that we'd arrive at the nursery, and usually she'd get there *after* us, having had to park up probably 100 yards away and then had to get the buggy out of the boot and set it up for the toddler.... -- Andy |
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On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:56:23 +0100, The Reids
wrote: Following up to DDT Filled Mormons do they? They tell us our longer life expectation is increasing health costs, so surely dying early saves money. It's a long, slow, expensive death which diverts resources from those that don't smoke. Smokers are also less productive, due to time taken off for cigarette breaks. do non smokers not have slow deaths? Don't plenty of smokers have heart attacks? That's what we should be encouraging, no cost at all if the ambulance is slow. Sick smokers require a lot of intensive care. This is very expensive. Also, as the general condition on smokers bodies is poor, other types of medical care, such as surgery and childbirth, and far more prone to problems, thus more costly in terms of time and money. I could go on, but I think you get the idea. -- --- DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com --- -- |
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Following up to Andy Pandy
When my daughter started nursery half a mile away, I always walked her there, pushing my one year old son in his pushchair. A few doors down was a girl who went to the same nursery - and most mornings we walked past her as she was struggling getting her 3 year old and toddler into the car and belted up. I'd shout "Morning". 5 minutes later they'd pass me on the main road. 10 minutes after that we'd arrive at the nursery, and usually she'd get there *after* us, having had to park up probably 100 yards away and then had to get the buggy out of the boot and set it up for the toddler.... there's a person in my road who drives to the school in a 4x4, the school is also in our road, they often park near my house, only a few yards nearer the school than their own house. It amazes me that they do this, not only because its completely stupid, but also that they don't know they are fulfilling the stereotype of the selfish 4x4 driver. Presumably in their tiny minds they think arriving by 4x4 gives status? -- Mike Reid Walk-eat-UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site Walk-eat-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" -- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap Photos of both "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk" |
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Following up to DDT Filled Mormons
do non smokers not have slow deaths? Don't plenty of smokers have heart attacks? That's what we should be encouraging, no cost at all if the ambulance is slow. Sick smokers require a lot of intensive care. This is very expensive. Also, as the general condition on smokers bodies is poor, other types of medical care, such as surgery and childbirth, and far more prone to problems, thus more costly in terms of time and money. I could go on, but I think you get the idea. -- The allotment holder next door to me was a heavy smoker, he dropped dead with a heart attack, my mother, a non smoker, had years and years of low level care from health and social services plus pension payments before she died. I am not convinced smoking costs us money. -- Mike Reid Walk-eat-UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site Walk-eat-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" -- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap Photos of both "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk" |
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The Reids wrote:
[] there's a person in my road who drives to the school in a 4x4, the school is also in our road, they often park near my house, only a few yards nearer the school than their own house. It amazes me that they do this, not only because its completely stupid, but also that they don't know they are fulfilling the stereotype of the selfish 4x4 driver. Presumably in their tiny minds they think arriving by 4x4 gives status? As a pedestrian who frequently visits schools in different parts of the country, I'm often a little alarmed at the traffic conditions around schools during the 'school run' times. People park illegally, double park, all manners of silly things, just while they drop their kid(s) off. It surely can't be safe? -- David Horne- www.davidhorne.net usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk |
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