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Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
On 11-Dec-2006, Mxsmanic wrote: Christmas is a secular holiday in the United States. Except for that holy day of obligation & all that. [nip rest of crap to other stupidity] Of course, with events like this, antisemitism is only encouraged, or sometimes perhaps even engendered where it didn't exist before. We are not frightened by this age-old, and still lame, threat. Susan |
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Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
On 12-Dec-2006, "Anarcissie" wrote: It would help if Christians would acknowledge that the Christmas tree is non-Christian. They OLNLY do this when someone complains about them forcing their religion on everyone. In which case I usually answre "Okay, stop forcing paganism on me." They don't really like that, either. Alternatively, they could go on believing that it is right for them to impose their religion on everyone else, as they have in the past, but be more open about it: 'Here's a Christmas tree in your face, because we have the power to put it there." They're not stupid enough to do that anymore. Susan |
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Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:32:00 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote: Christmas is a secular holiday in the United States. That's a nice lie, but it doesn't fly in the face of Christian campaigns like "Jesus is the reason for the season" and "put the Christ back into Christmas". You can't have it both ways. -- rukbat at optonline dot net I cannot conceive of a god who rewards and punishes his creatures or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives its physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egotism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eter- nity of life and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the exist- ing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature. - Albert Einstein, as quoted in _Billions and Billions_, Carl Sagan. (random sig, produced by SigChanger) |
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Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:18:32 -0800, Mike Hunt wrote: The issue isn't that the Rabbi wanted the Christmas ornaments removed, but he wanted representation of his religion a this public facility. That request was denied, even though the last Supreme Court case on the subject agreed with the Rabbi. The fact that the airport management took down the Christmas ornaments leads me to believe that they knew they were in violation of that ruling . Why didn't they simply allow the Menorah to be displayed? Could it be they are anti-semitic It was a good, grandstanding way of getting what they wanted. I understand that the trees are coming back. I notice nobody asking why it is tax money has to be spent on ornaments rather than silly things like, you know, fixing potholes or even something really absurd like airport security... Actually, spending tax money on airport security is the modern equivalent of spending tax money to build a lighthouse network on the Great Lakes -- largely for the benefit of the steel companies. Sure, we all benefit from increased safety. But since the lanes (whether sea or air) are plied by very top-heavy for-profit industries -- isn't there something fishy going on when such an industry offloads the least profitable aspect of its operation expenses to the taxpayer? It's worse than either capitalism (supposedly "free market") or communism (in which the public would also own the airline). Rather, it's an advanced form of despotism, fascism, whatever you want to call it, in which people are forced to pay for what is part of a for-profit private service. Like building stadiums. |
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Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
Mike Hunt
The issue isn't that the Rabbi wanted the Christmas ornaments removed, but he wanted representation of his religion a this public facility. Christmas is a universal celebration, heavily celebrated by pagans such as Chinese and Japanese. It is intended to be universal - the slogan being "peace on earth and goodwill to all men", not "Peace between Christians while we make war on everyone else" Whenever someone wishes you "happy holidays" he is implicitly claiming that Christmas is "Peace between Christians while we make war on everyone else", which if the recipient happens to be a Christian, is an insult. When someone launches a lawsuit, he is definitely claiming that Christmas is "Peace between Christians while we make war on everyone else" There is no possibility of a peaceable end to such a lawsuit. If they give him everything he demands, there will be long queue of people making similar demands, concede and you will be knee deep in litigation. The wiccans will demand a giant phallus. The only escape from being summoned before the courts is to chop down every Christmas tree. -- ---------------------- We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state. http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald |
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Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
Mike Hunt
The issue isn't that the Rabbi wanted the Christmas ornaments removed, but he wanted representation of his religion a this public facility. That request was denied, even though the last Supreme Court case on the subject agreed with the Rabbi. This may come as a big surprise, but some people do not want to spend several million dollars on litigation. There was no possibility of a settlement. If they gave him less than he wants, they go to court. If they give him everything he wants, everyone lines up asking for a piece of the action. -- ---------------------- We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state. http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald |
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Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
Mike Hunt writes:
For many Jewish people, the same is true of Hanukah Then there should be no problem trading it for a similar holiday at a similar time of year. Especially since the majority of the population prefers Christmas trees to menorahs. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
Al Klein writes:
That's a nice lie, but it doesn't fly in the face of Christian campaigns like "Jesus is the reason for the season" and "put the Christ back into Christmas". Some people may say such things; I do not. Christmas is just an excuse for a day or two off work and for some nice meals, decorations, and presents. You can't have it both ways. I agree. But I think Christmas is fine as a secular holiday, even though I consider the religious connotations stupid and inappropriate. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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