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Padraig Breathnach wrote: The Reids wrote: Yes, you can never make yourself safe from terrorism in a democracy. I don't think that it is only democracies that are vulnerable to terrorist attacks. I think all western countries are now focused on the need to address it, but we haven't been able to agree on tactics! Bush, Blair, and Aznar agreed on tactics. -- PB The return address has been MUNGED Bush Vows `Ideology of Hope' Will Triumph in Global Terror War Blair Vows Terrorism Will Be Defeated Following London Blasts Quotes brought to you by the people who caused this attack. Both hollow. |
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Figure of 40+ dead now coming from two sources - unnamed U.S. official
speaking to the Associated Press who is reported to have learned of the figure from British counterparts; and unnamed ambulance-service source speaking to Sky News. |
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Rita writes:
I agree the invasion of Iraq has made both the U.S. and Britain ongoing targets. However, our leaders in both countries are adamant against changing their course. Recent polls showed that the majority of Americans have become disenchanted with the war in Iraq and don't believe it has made us "safer". And England re-elected Blair as well. "England" didn't re-elect "Blair"; the United Kingdom re-elected New Labour, and that in subdued preference to the shambolic, nasty and also pro-war Conservative opposition. More than a few of us still want Gordo. Des |
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"Des Small" wrote in message ... Rita writes: I agree the invasion of Iraq has made both the U.S. and Britain ongoing targets. However, our leaders in both countries are adamant against changing their course. Recent polls showed that the majority of Americans have become disenchanted with the war in Iraq and don't believe it has made us "safer". And England re-elected Blair as well. "England" didn't re-elect "Blair"; the United Kingdom re-elected New Labour, and that in subdued preference to the shambolic, nasty and also pro-war Conservative opposition. More than a few of us still want Gordo. and some of us want Maggie back |
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On 7/07/05 16:32, in article ,
"Rita" wrote: On 7 Jul 2005 06:45:07 -0700, wrote: we could stop invading other peoples countries in search of oil, that might lessen our exposure. I agree the invasion of Iraq has made both the U.S. and Britain ongoing targets. However, our leaders in both countries are adamant against changing their course. Recent polls showed that the majority of Americans have become disenchanted with the war in Iraq and don't believe it has made us "safer". And England re-elected Blair as well. If I understand what Bin Laden has said and why Al Qaeda took the form it did, these radical Muslims are against non-Muslim presence in Islamic nations. That is the basic core of what is driving them. A secondary issue is protecting Muslims in nations which are not mainly Muslim. These radicals telegraphed their intentions and did so long before 9/11. It seems likely that if the US had withdrawn rapidly from Saudi Arabia after the Gulf War One, we might have avoided the Embassy bombings and eventually 9/11. But US national interests (oil, never forget it) seemed involved and we could not bring ourself to stand off, possibly not thinking that Bin Laden was a real treat, just a bother. It should also be noted that Islamic radicals were also at war with an secular socialist movements in mainly Arab states. The Ba'ath party movements in Syria and Iraq were national socialist secular reactions against radical Islam, especially the Muslim Brotherhood movement which was given birth in Egypt. This is also why there was virtually no coordination of terrorist movements between Iraq and Al Qaeda. However the Ba'ath party movement is also totally decadent, Saddam was one example of that, and probably could not serve forever as Western supported buffer against both Iran and radical Islam in the middle east. US policy itself was decadent in the region and that is why radical Islam has grown more powerful. For some reason the Bush administration never figured that out or projected not having done so for pandering reasons of wanting to tie 9/11 with Iraq. The American people still appeared mostly duped about this. What did happen is that radical Islamic terrorists moved into Iraq opportunistically no longer having to fight Saddam. The new base of terrorism has, therefore, shifted from Afghanistan to Iraq. But that situation has become more complicated with the development of a sectarian conflict between Sunnites and Shi'ites in that country. This has also brought into Iraq Wahhabite Saudi terrorists (the 9/11 terrorists were mainly from this group) who even more strongly believe that Shi'ites are heretics. I use the "dragon teeth" analogy. If you plant dragon's teeth, they produce more dragons. Bush in not concentrating on just Afghanistan sewed dragon's teeth, they gave birth and some of the dragons showed up in London today. They showed up in Madrid a year ago and may now appear in more of Europe. I don't think there are a lot of dragon's teeth in Europe are around but even a few hundred or a thousand will cause us trouble. If we in turn, turn to abusing the Moslem populations in the UK and Europe, the dragan's teeth will increase in numbers, a lot. |
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Following up to Des Small
And England re-elected Blair as well. not because of the war policy, the opposition are also pro war and on other issues its a no contest. "England" didn't re-elect "Blair"; the United Kingdom re-elected New Labour, and that in subdued preference to the shambolic, nasty and also pro-war Conservative opposition. Rita, its GB or UK, England is just part of it, I know a lot of non europeans dont know that. More than a few of us still want Gordo. true -- Mike Reid Walk-eat-UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site Walk-eat-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" -- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap Photos of both "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk" |
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The Reids wrote: Following up to Des Small As a New Yorker, my condolences as well. I love London and hearing about the destruction, deaths, injuries and the fear that Londoners will experience as a result for a long time to come makes me ill. With all due respect, ******** to that. I was planning to go up to London tomorrow, and if the trains are running I still will. quiet right, I'll not be scared off by some fanatic, (no not Ken) its called terrorism, so they win if you are terrorised. "London can take it" comment by six month London immigrant after an IRA bomb. Considering how England bore up for several years as the bastion against Hitler (before the U.S. got around to joining in) I don't think anyone doubts it! (Although it is perhaps easier when it's a declared war, and you KNOW you can expect such horrors.) |
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Following up to Des Small
the United Kingdom re-elected New Labour, to clarify, Blair is not directly elected other than to his constituency, the majority party select him from within themselves, many of us hope he will stand down in favour of gordon Brown. -- Mike Reid Walk-eat-UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site Walk-eat-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" -- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap Photos of both "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk" |
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