Airline/Aircraft Maintenance

Marty Shapiro wrote:

Let me spell it out for you.

American Airlines' crack maintenance staff decided that they knew
better than the aircraft manufacturer on the proper procedure to change an
engine.

Get over it.
That was over 27 1/2 years ago. May 25, 1979 according to the link YOU
posted.

Mike Hunt postmaster@localhost wrote in
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Marty Shapiro wrote:

Let me spell it out for you.

American Airlines' crack maintenance staff decided that they
knew
better than the aircraft manufacturer on the proper procedure to
change an engine.

Get over it.
That was over 27 1/2 years ago. May 25, 1979 according to the link YOU
posted.


I know it was 27 1/2 years ago. AA had a reputation then, as now, as
having a premier maintenance facility. That is absolutely NO GUARANTEE
that they are doing the maintenance correctly or that their aircraft are
any safer than an airline which farms out their maintenance.

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Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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Are you arguing with yourself? No one said in house was better than
contracted out. It is a fact that AA has spent a hell of a lot more in
maintenance facilities than SW. And I do believe that is one reason I
choose to fly American. Their investment in maintaining their fleet
is evident.
Marty Shapiro wrote:
Mike Hunt postmaster@localhost wrote in
:

Marty Shapiro wrote:

Let me spell it out for you.

American Airlines' crack maintenance staff decided that they
knew
better than the aircraft manufacturer on the proper procedure to
change an engine.

Get over it.
That was over 27 1/2 years ago. May 25, 1979 according to the link YOU
posted.


I know it was 27 1/2 years ago. AA had a reputation then, as now, as
having a premier maintenance facility. That is absolutely NO GUARANTEE
that they are doing the maintenance correctly or that their aircraft are
any safer than an airline which farms out their maintenance.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

(remove SPAMNOT to email me)

Marty Shapiro wrote:


I know it was 27 1/2 years ago. AA had a reputation then, as now, as
having a premier maintenance facility. That is absolutely NO GUARANTEE
that they are doing the maintenance correctly or that their aircraft are
any safer than an airline which farms out their maintenance.


What does an event that happened 27 1/2 years ago have to do with now?
Do you think the same people are making the decisions or doing the work?
It was a mistake. However, reading the article you posted a link to, it
seems as though they weren't the only ones that received blame. The NTSB
also indicated their were problems with the design.

There is at least as much of a guarantee that they are doing the
maintenance as correctly as any other airline with in-house or outsource
maintenance. What's your point? You are the one that started an attack
on AA.

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Marty Shapiro wrote:

Mike Hunt postmaster@localhost wrote in
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Marty Shapiro wrote:

Let me spell it out for you.

American Airlines' crack maintenance staff decided that they
knew
better than the aircraft manufacturer on the proper procedure to
change an engine.

Get over it.
That was over 27 1/2 years ago. May 25, 1979 according to the link YOU
posted.


I know it was 27 1/2 years ago. AA had a reputation then, as now, as
having a premier maintenance facility. That is absolutely NO GUARANTEE
that they are doing the maintenance correctly or that their aircraft are
any safer than an airline which farms out their maintenance.

Geez! Here's a little secret for you. No one on this planet can boast of
perfection in any job they do. No airline is 100% immune from making
errors that result in lost lives. If you find the airline with a perfect
maintenance record, post it hear. The reality is that anyone can make a
dumb mistake and the more responsibility one has in their job, the more
harm and inconvenience their mistakes can cause. That's just the way
life is.

In message Shawn
Hirn wrote:

Geez! Here's a little secret for you. No one on this planet can boast of
perfection in any job they do. No airline is 100% immune from making
errors that result in lost lives. If you find the airline with a perfect
maintenance record, post it hear. The reality is that anyone can make a
dumb mistake and the more responsibility one has in their job, the more
harm and inconvenience their mistakes can cause. That's just the way
life is.

And if you find one that hasn't had a serious accident yet, keep in mind
the keyword in that sentence... "Yet" -- It can and will happen
eventually.

--
'Outlook not so good.'
That magic 8-ball knows everything!

DevilsPGD wrote:

And if you find one that hasn't had a serious accident yet, keep in mind
the keyword in that sentence... "Yet" -- It can and will happen
eventually.


That reminds me of that line from Dustin Hoffman in Rainman, "QANTAS
never crashes".

Marty Shapiro writes:

American Airlines' crack maintenance staff decided that they knew
better than the aircraft manufacturer on the proper procedure to change an
engine. This resulted in an engine falling off the aircraft on take off at
ORD with the death of all aboard. To date, this is the largest single
aircraft fatality accident on U.S. soil.

This accident was an exception to the rule. In terms of deaths per
million flights, American ranks third in the world (the events of 9/11
skewed the numbers a bit), behind Southwest and Delta but in front of
US Airways, United, Continental, et al.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
Marty Shapiro writes:

American Airlines' crack maintenance staff decided that they knew
better than the aircraft manufacturer on the proper procedure to change an
engine. This resulted in an engine falling off the aircraft on take off at
ORD with the death of all aboard. To date, this is the largest single
aircraft fatality accident on U.S. soil.

This accident was an exception to the rule. In terms of deaths per
million flights, American ranks third in the world (the events of 9/11
skewed the numbers a bit), behind Southwest and Delta but in front of
US Airways, United, Continental, et al.


I call bull****.

I'd definitely like a citation for this. As everyone is aware,
there has only been one death in relation to any SWA flight. Comparing
that to AAL191, the 2 AAL and UAL flights on 9/11, TWA800, AAL587,
PAA103, and the UAL crash at KSUX, you are more than truly wrong. Get
your facts straight before making a fool of yourself.

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Mxsmanic wrote:

Marty Shapiro writes:

This accident was an exception to the rule. In terms of deaths per
million flights, American ranks third in the world (the events of 9/11
skewed the numbers a bit), behind Southwest and Delta but in front of
US Airways, United, Continental, et al.



I call bull****.

I'd definitely like a citation for this. As everyone is aware,
there has only been one death in relation to any SWA flight. Comparing
that to AAL191, the 2 AAL and UAL flights on 9/11, TWA800, AAL587,
PAA103, and the UAL crash at KSUX, you are more than truly wrong. Get
your facts straight before making a fool of yourself.



He said "BEHIND Southwest and Delta".
He was referring to the smallest number of deaths, not the most.

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