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Old December 16th, 2006, 03:05 PM posted to alt.abortion,alt.anarchism,alt.atheism,rec.travel.air,soc.culture.jewish
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Default Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport

On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 05:08:47 -0800, Tchiowa wrote:

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:19:09 -0800, Tchiowa wrote:

James A. Donald wrote:
James A. Donald:
But Xmastime is the time of the return of the sun -
it follows the shortest day of the year. Nothing
directly to do, except symbolically, with the birth
of that notorious Jewish heretic that you seem to be
so remarkably upset by.

Mike Hunt
That is the point. It is symbolically linked to the
birth of Christ, hence the name of the holiday.

But then, your basic grievance, or flavia's basic
grievance, is having a holiday on christmas, hence the
impossibility of appeasing the lawsuit mongers by any
lesser measure.

Exactly.

If they don't like Christmas then sue to have it taken out as a
national holiday. Until then I think there are some maturity issues
that need to be resolved in those whining about Christmas Trees.


So what does that say about the people who throw themselves on the ground
and have a tantrum when cheap, plastic decorations are removed from an
airport?


Who threw a tantrum?


You for one.

Gee, should someone be calling you a liar now?

You bigots are trying to fight against a holiday because you don't like
the religion involved. Time to grow up.


Cheap plastic decorations were removed from an airport. Christians all
over the country had a childish fit until they were put back.

Tell me who needs to grow up.

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of world:.... a world in which oil reserves are controlled
by radicals in order to extract blackmail from the West..."
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Wait... oil reserves?
  #382  
Old December 16th, 2006, 03:05 PM posted to alt.anarchism,alt.atheism,rec.travel.air,soc.culture.jewish
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On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 05:07:03 -0800, Tchiowa wrote:

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:17:12 -0800, Tchiowa wrote:

Sancho Panza wrote:
"Tchiowa" wrote in message
ups.com...

wrote:
On 13-Dec-2006, " wrote:

James A. Donald wrote:
But you guys are trying to suppress even the secular
aspects of Christmas - you were suing against the
display of Christmas trees

Who was suing against what display of Xmas trees? The ones in SEATAC?\

Even if anyone was - which no one is doing - the proof
that the trees and all the other attendent crap really is NOT
secular is that it is ONLY brought out AT XMAStime.

???? Did you think that Christmas trees should be brought out on the
4th of July?

There is an undoubtedly religious side to Christmas. Trees are not part
of that. Trees are part of the secular side. The Rabbi complained about
trees.

The rabbi didn't complain about the trees. He made a request for his own
display. Quite a difference there.

No. He made a request for his own display AND THEN THREATENED TO SUE TO
TAKE DOWN THE TREES if his request wasn't met.


Liar.


I see there is no minimum age limit for posting on Usenet. Name calling
when logic fails is the typical tactic of pre-teens.

I think your mother is calling you for dinner. You'd better log off her
computer.


So you know you lied.

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existence to me. He hasn't done so yet, so there is no reason
to believe in him.
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  #383  
Old December 16th, 2006, 03:06 PM posted to alt.atheism,alt.abortion,rec.travel.air,soc.culture.jewish
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On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 05:05:10 -0800, Tchiowa wrote:

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 05:51:22 -0800, Tchiowa wrote:

Mike Hunt wrote:
Tchiowa wrote:

Not bigotry. Where talking about secular vs. religious. Do you struggle
with that concept?


Did Congress make Christmas a national holiday because it had nothing to
do with religion? I doubt it.

Congress made it a national holiday because it's part of the culture.
And that includes Santa Claus, wreaths, trees, reindeer, elves and a
whole of secular facets.


And, of course, we'll all just ignore that it's Christ Mass...


It doesn't matter what the source of the holiday is. It's a national
holiday because it's part of the culture. Whining about it won't change
that.


Yeah and it would have become a national holiday and part of the culture
if Christianity hadn't existed right?

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from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical,
absurd and primitive stories, and you say that *we* are the
ones that need help?" -Jon Stoll
  #384  
Old December 16th, 2006, 03:06 PM posted to alt.abortion,alt.atheism,rec.travel.air,soc.culture.jewish
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On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 04:10:35 -0800, markzoom wrote:


Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:42:08 -0800, markzoom wrote:

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 04:44:06 +0000, flaviaR wrote:

On 14-Dec-2006, "Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:36:56 -0800, markzoom wrote:


In a way that would be victory for the zionist Rabbi too.... and a blow
to freedom.

Not having tax funded blinky lights on plastic trees is a "blow to
freedom?"

Maybe to kooks...

Certainly to those who expose themselves and their
politics so thoroughly as markzoom. Or did you miss
what he called the rabbi....? I left it in, above....

Oh I've seen the rants about the US being run by Da Jooos!!! That's why I
used the word "kook." G

Actually it's the *zionist* faction of the tiny 2% jewish minority who
have hugely disproportionate control over the USAy. One would have to
be not just a kook but a completely ignorant moron not to have twigged
it by now.


Yeah, it's all the *rest of us that are crazy, not you conspiracy nuts.


Well you are not so much "crazy" as utterly and completely dumbass
ignorant about your US power structure and the sheer scale of the
influence of the tiny 1.5% zionist minority on it.
Just one little test: What's PNAC?


Project for the New American Century. Why?

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  #385  
Old December 16th, 2006, 03:07 PM posted to alt.abortion,alt.atheism,rec.travel.air,soc.culture.jewish
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:51:18 -0800, Sancho Panza wrote:

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:42:19 -0500, Al Klein wrote:

On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:35:17 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
wrote:

On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 04:44:06 +0000, flaviaR wrote:

On 14-Dec-2006, "Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:36:56 -0800, markzoom wrote:


In a way that would be victory for the zionist Rabbi too.... and a blow
to freedom.

Not having tax funded blinky lights on plastic trees is a "blow to
freedom?"

Maybe to kooks...

Certainly to those who expose themselves and their
politics so thoroughly as markzoom. Or did you miss
what he called the rabbi....? I left it in, above....

Oh I've seen the rants about the US being run by Da Jooos!!! That's why I
used the word "kook." G

And where did the news story say that the rabbi was a Zionist? Or are
all "Jooz" supposed to be Zionists?


They run all the banks you know!


Actually, the largest bank is owned by a sheik from the Saudi royal
family.


Shhh! You'll spoil his fun!

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a man who cannot face the perils of life without the help of
comfortable myths. Almost inevitably some part of him is
aware that they are myths and that he believes them only
because they are comforting. But he dare not face this
thought! Moreover, since he is aware, however dimly, that his
opinions are not rational, he becomes furious when they are
disputed." -Bertrand Russell
  #386  
Old December 16th, 2006, 03:53 PM posted to alt.abortion,alt.atheism,rec.travel.air,soc.culture.jewish
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:02:10 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:08:03 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

"Tchiowa" wrote in message
ps.com...

wrote:
On 14-Dec-2006,
wrote:

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:02:49 -0800, Laura Sanchez wrote:

Too bad Christianity doesn't return the favor.


Excuse me? It's Christians that are the only ones defending
Israel
and
denouncing anti-Semitism.

By refusing to add a menorah to the airport display?

If there's a choice between displaying all religions and displaying
none - and that was ultimately the choice - then the better option is
to display none.

Which is fine, just so long as you don;t BLAME the people who only
asked
for
equal time.

No, the Rabbi asked for special consideration, not equal time. He asked
for his religious symbol to be displayed because Christmas symbols were
being displayed. But Christmas is the holiday therefore Christmas
symbols are appropriate.

If the Rabbi wants Hannukah to be a national holiday then let him ask
for that.

Perhaps you could explain how seeing a mennorah displayed would hurt you.
In my town, they display a nativity scene, a mennorah and a tree.
Everyone's happy.


Weird how easy that was huh?


It's shocking, I tell you, shocking!


Ya but, you keep appeasing those furriners, they'll up and move into your
neighborhood!!!

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believe in him, then he should know what would prove his
existence to me. He hasn't done so yet, so there is no reason
to believe in him.
-Woden
  #387  
Old December 16th, 2006, 04:05 PM posted to alt.abortion,alt.anarchism,alt.atheism,rec.travel.air,soc.culture.jewish
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On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 05:16:48 -0800, Tchiowa wrote:


Ray Fischer wrote:
Tchiowa wrote:
PTravel wrote:


Sorry, but that makes no sense whatsoever. Christmas isn't objectionable.
No one thinks so, and certainly no one has said so. What is objectionable
is government subsidization of the cultural traditions particular to one
religion, particularly to the exclusion of all others.

This is not government subsidization of *anything*!


Yes, it is.


Who did the government give money to?


Sea-Tac International Airport.

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  #388  
Old December 16th, 2006, 04:08 PM posted to alt.atheism,alt.abortion,rec.travel.air,soc.culture.jewish
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On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 05:27:32 -0800, Tchiowa wrote:

Ben Kaufman wrote:
On 14 Dec 2006 16:08:38 -0800, "Tchiowa" wrote:


Ben Kaufman wrote:
On 14 Dec 2006 01:06:37 -0800, "Tchiowa" wrote:


Mike Hunt wrote:
Laura Sanchez wrote:

Too bad Christianity doesn't return the favor.



Excuse me? It's Christians that are the only ones defending Israel and
denouncing anti-Semitism.


Yet, they can't seem to share the winter holiday season by permitting a
one Jewish symbol at the airport.

Which "holiday" are you talking about? There is only one *NATIONAL
HOLIDAY* and it isn't a Jewish Holiday so why would you put up a Jewish
symbol?

Putting up a Jewish symbol would be celebrating a holiday that is
*PURELY* a religious holiday and not a national holiday and thus would
be in clear violation of separation of church and state.

Ah constitutionally based bigotry, way to go!

Ben

Not bigotry. Where talking about secular vs. religious. Do you struggle
with that concept?


You fail to realize, perhaps, that the national holiday of Christmas is secular
and does not give Christians any special decoration rights.


I never said that it did. But since it is a national holiday the
airport has just as much right to put up Christmas trees at Christmas
as it does to put up pictures of Lincoln on President's Day.


Whoa. The airport has *NO* rights. It's a municipal corporation. It exist
purely to serve the public.

Period.

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Old December 16th, 2006, 04:10 PM posted to alt.atheism,alt.anarchism,rec.travel.air,soc.culture.jewish
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:18:39 -0800, markzoom wrote:


Al Klein wrote:
On 14 Dec 2006 04:47:51 -0800, wrote:

Lets be clear about this, The Rabbi wanted to display the national
emblem of the "STATE" OF ISRAEL at Seattle intenational airport:


No, he wanted to display a Chanukiyah, not a candelabrum.


He wanted to display a Menorah (which is most definately a candelabrum,
as defined in any english dictionary).

Are you saying a Chanukiah is not a menorah?
Are you saying the the Israeli state emblem is not a Menorah?
Are you saying that Menorahs are not candelabra?

7 or 9 candles it's still a Menorah and a Candelabrum.


"History: The national emblem of the State of Israel includes a seven
branched-candelabrum, called Menorah, flanked by two olive branches."


And, at Chanukah, Jews use a 9-branched Chanukiyah to celebrate the
holiday.


So what, it's still menorah.


One is not the other, any more than a PLO flag is a US flag.


It's a jewish Menorah, wether it's got 7 or 9 bloody candles, and
nobody else uses it as the national emblem.
It's the same as if the US national emblem were a christmas tree
instead of a bald eagle.


And yet, you're the *only person that seems to see it that way.

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a man who cannot face the perils of life without the help of
comfortable myths. Almost inevitably some part of him is
aware that they are myths and that he believes them only
because they are comforting. But he dare not face this
thought! Moreover, since he is aware, however dimly, that his
opinions are not rational, he becomes furious when they are
disputed." -Bertrand Russell
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Old December 16th, 2006, 04:27 PM posted to alt.abortion,alt.anarchism,alt.atheism,rec.travel.air,soc.culture.jewish
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Tchiowa wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:


Why do you religious bigots never seem to realize that when you resort
to such transparent lies it proves that you really don't give a ****
about being a Christian?


To start with, I'm not a Christian.


And neither am I.

 




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