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Old April 8th, 2009, 06:16 AM posted to rec.food.cooking,soc.culture.italian,rec.travel.europe
Gregory Morrow[_131_]
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:

"brooklyn1" wrote in message

You know better than to say everyone in the US subsists on Spam and
Velveeta and no one in the US drinks booze, because that would include
you. There's more proscutto, parmesan, and dago red consumed in the US
than in Italy..



With population difference of 300 million to 58 million, that is true. We
are one of the largest markets for produce from Italy.


Italy exports most of their gourmet foods production and the US is the
biggest importer. Most Americans who visit Italy (or any country)
primarily stay at American style hotels; they may as well have stayed
home. The regular everyday Italians don't eat what Americans call
"Italian Food", most eat exactly what typical Americans eat on a daily
basis...



in other words they eat half the quantity and pay twice the price. The
main difference between typical Americans and the typical Italians is

that
Italians spend more than twice as much time preparing their meals... and
they don't eat better, they simply spend more time cooking because
prepared foods that Americans consume are much too expensive...


Disagree. I've spent time in Italy I've eaten with the locals, stayed at
homes, not hotels. I've also shopped at the supermarkets and bought
groceries to cook our meals.

In Italy you will see very little of the processed foods, the Velveeta
cheese, the Kraft mac & cheese, and many other products of that type. You
will find the prosciutto hams, the large selection of local cheese,
sausages, and regional items. Yes, they have Coke, but the same store is
likely to have twice the amount of shelf space for wine than soda. I was
blown away at the prices too. In some restaurnats when yhou order wine,

the
put a pitcher on the table and you drink what you want. Sliced white

bread?
There may be two kinds available while fresh baked will line the shelves
with a half dozen or dozen varieties and sizes.


didn't you see all the pictures of dishes Pandora posted, all fussily
prepared, but small portions and no expensive ingredients, what Italians
call pasta for six would barely feed me and you. The reason pizza in
Italy is so bare bones is because with the way Americns pile on toppings
hardly any Italians could afford it. And per capita most of the world's
developed countries drink more Coke than Americans... if you think
Italians don't drink Diet Coke then you spent your time there with your
eyes closed...


You will find it at some of the bars and smaller shops, but it is not the
staple that soda is in most American homes. Aqua with gas is even more
likely. You will find it a pizza shops too. A typical side street shop
may have 6 to 10 pizzas with different toppings ready for sale by the

slice.



That's because guinea WOP households are very primitive places, not only do
many dwellings not only lack basic refrigeration, but also cooking gas and
plumbing and thus modern appliances and so the facilities for food
preparation are very limited...

Refrigerators and air conditioning are considered still by many in Italy to
be "works of the devil", the cool air they produce is considered to be "bad
for health"...

Not only do they lack modern refrigeration and A/C over there but Italians
do not believe in the use of window screens, that is why malaria and polio
and other vermin - borne and filth - borne diseases are so practically rife
there...

Italy really is still Third World, just look at a place like Venice, MOUNDS
of rubbish in the streets...and the canale of Venezia are open sewers, they
dump the contents of their chamberpots right off of their balconies every
morning...


Q: What is the Venetian term for "flush"...???

A: "Morning tide"...!!!


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Greg

"The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
people's money."~~~~Margaret Thatcher



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Old April 8th, 2009, 08:40 AM posted to rec.food.cooking,soc.culture.italian,rec.travel.europe
Giusi[_2_]
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"Gregory Morrow" ha scritto nel messaggio

That's because guinea WOP households are very primitive places, not only
do many dwellings not only lack basic refrigeration, but also cooking gas
and
plumbing and thus modern appliances and so the facilities for food
preparation are very limited...

Refrigerators and air conditioning are considered still by many in Italy
to be "works of the devil", the cool air they produce is considered to be
"bad for health"...

Not only do they lack modern refrigeration and A/C over there but
Italians do not believe in the use of window screens, that is why malaria
and polio
and other vermin - borne and filth - borne diseases are so practically
rife there...

Italy really is still Third World, just look at a place like Venice,
MOUNDS of rubbish in the streets...and the canale of Venezia are open
sewers, they
dump the contents of their chamberpots right off of their balconies every
morning...


I never realized that you were so old that you would have visited Italy in
the 19th century.


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Old April 8th, 2009, 04:39 PM posted to rec.food.cooking,soc.culture.italian,rec.travel.europe
blake murphy
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On Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:40:59 +0200, Giusi wrote:

"Gregory Morrow" ha scritto nel messaggio

That's because guinea WOP households are very primitive places, not only
do many dwellings not only lack basic refrigeration, but also cooking gas
and
plumbing and thus modern appliances and so the facilities for food
preparation are very limited...

Refrigerators and air conditioning are considered still by many in Italy
to be "works of the devil", the cool air they produce is considered to be
"bad for health"...

Not only do they lack modern refrigeration and A/C over there but
Italians do not believe in the use of window screens, that is why malaria
and polio
and other vermin - borne and filth - borne diseases are so practically
rife there...

Italy really is still Third World, just look at a place like Venice,
MOUNDS of rubbish in the streets...and the canale of Venezia are open
sewers, they
dump the contents of their chamberpots right off of their balconies every
morning...


I never realized that you were so old that you would have visited Italy in
the 19th century.


of course he's old. it takes a long time to become that stupid.

your pal,
blake
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Old April 8th, 2009, 05:36 PM posted to rec.food.cooking,soc.culture.italian,rec.travel.europe
brooklyn1
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"Gregory Morrow" wrote in message
...



Ed Pawlowski wrote:

"brooklyn1" wrote in message

You know better than to say everyone in the US subsists on Spam and
Velveeta and no one in the US drinks booze, because that would include
you. There's more proscutto, parmesan, and dago red consumed in the US
than in Italy..



With population difference of 300 million to 58 million, that is true.
We
are one of the largest markets for produce from Italy.


Italy exports most of their gourmet foods production and the US is the
biggest importer. Most Americans who visit Italy (or any country)
primarily stay at American style hotels; they may as well have stayed
home. The regular everyday Italians don't eat what Americans call
"Italian Food", most eat exactly what typical Americans eat on a daily
basis...



in other words they eat half the quantity and pay twice the price.
The
main difference between typical Americans and the typical Italians is

that
Italians spend more than twice as much time preparing their meals...
and
they don't eat better, they simply spend more time cooking because
prepared foods that Americans consume are much too expensive...


Disagree. I've spent time in Italy I've eaten with the locals, stayed at
homes, not hotels. I've also shopped at the supermarkets and bought
groceries to cook our meals.

In Italy you will see very little of the processed foods, the Velveeta
cheese, the Kraft mac & cheese, and many other products of that type.
You
will find the prosciutto hams, the large selection of local cheese,
sausages, and regional items. Yes, they have Coke, but the same store is
likely to have twice the amount of shelf space for wine than soda. I was
blown away at the prices too. In some restaurnats when yhou order wine,

the
put a pitcher on the table and you drink what you want. Sliced white

bread?
There may be two kinds available while fresh baked will line the shelves
with a half dozen or dozen varieties and sizes.


didn't you see all the pictures of dishes Pandora posted, all fussily
prepared, but small portions and no expensive ingredients, what
Italians
call pasta for six would barely feed me and you. The reason pizza in
Italy is so bare bones is because with the way Americns pile on
toppings
hardly any Italians could afford it. And per capita most of the
world's
developed countries drink more Coke than Americans... if you think
Italians don't drink Diet Coke then you spent your time there with your
eyes closed...


You will find it at some of the bars and smaller shops, but it is not the
staple that soda is in most American homes. Aqua with gas is even more
likely. You will find it a pizza shops too. A typical side street shop
may have 6 to 10 pizzas with different toppings ready for sale by the

slice.



That's because guinea WOP households are very primitive places, not only
do
many dwellings not only lack basic refrigeration, but also cooking gas and
plumbing and thus modern appliances and so the facilities for food
preparation are very limited...

Refrigerators and air conditioning are considered still by many in Italy
to
be "works of the devil", the cool air they produce is considered to be
"bad
for health"...

Not only do they lack modern refrigeration and A/C over there but Italians
do not believe in the use of window screens, that is why malaria and polio
and other vermin - borne and filth - borne diseases are so practically
rife
there...

Italy really is still Third World, just look at a place like Venice,
MOUNDS
of rubbish in the streets...and the canale of Venezia are open sewers,
they
dump the contents of their chamberpots right off of their balconies every
morning...


Q: What is the Venetian term for "flush"...???

A: "Morning tide"...!!!



And the coastal cities ain't bad, I've traveled through the interior of
Italy by narrow gauge railroad, slowly wending its way from one midevil
village to the next and inbetwixt feifdoms, with filthy peons scratching out
meager viands keeping the worst for themselves. The only real wealth in
Italy is the Vatican, The Maffia, and the Touristas... there's also a fairly
large contingency of pickpockets and prostitutes. The vast majority,
compared to the US, subsist a millimeter from abject poverty.


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Old April 8th, 2009, 05:39 PM posted to rec.food.cooking,soc.culture.italian,rec.travel.europe
brooklyn1
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"Giusi" wrote in message
...

"Gregory Morrow" ha scritto nel messaggio

That's because guinea WOP households are very primitive places, not only
do many dwellings not only lack basic refrigeration, but also cooking gas
and
plumbing and thus modern appliances and so the facilities for food
preparation are very limited...

Refrigerators and air conditioning are considered still by many in Italy
to be "works of the devil", the cool air they produce is considered to
be "bad for health"...

Not only do they lack modern refrigeration and A/C over there but
Italians do not believe in the use of window screens, that is why
malaria and polio
and other vermin - borne and filth - borne diseases are so practically
rife there...

Italy really is still Third World, just look at a place like Venice,
MOUNDS of rubbish in the streets...and the canale of Venezia are open
sewers, they
dump the contents of their chamberpots right off of their balconies
every morning...


I never realized that you were so old that you would have visited Italy in
the 19th century.

Italy is still in the 19th century, and that's only for the priviledged few.
The majority of Italians are living in the 16th century.



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Old April 8th, 2009, 06:38 PM posted to rec.food.cooking,soc.culture.italian,rec.travel.europe
Mike O'Sullivan
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Pentaxuser wrote:
"brooklyn1" wrote:

Italy is still in the 19th century, and that's only for the priviledged few.
The majority of Italians are living in the 16th century.


how come they are so much better dressed than americans?


But then-everybody is!
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Old April 8th, 2009, 07:43 PM posted to rec.food.cooking,soc.culture.italian,rec.travel.europe
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On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:36:04 +0000, brooklyn1 wrote:


And the coastal cities ain't bad, I've traveled through the interior of
Italy by narrow gauge railroad, slowly wending its way from one midevil
village to the next and inbetwixt feifdoms, with filthy peons scratching
out meager viands keeping the worst for themselves. The only real
wealth in Italy is the Vatican, The Maffia, and the Touristas... there's
also a fairly large contingency of pickpockets and prostitutes. The
vast majority, compared to the US, subsist a millimeter from abject
poverty.


Have you considered visiting Italy since about 1960?

I can recommend Milan...




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Old April 8th, 2009, 09:25 PM posted to rec.food.cooking,soc.culture.italian,rec.travel.europe
brooklyn1
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"Pentaxuser" wrote in message
...
"brooklyn1" wrote:

Italy is still in the 19th century, and that's only for the priviledged
few.
The majority of Italians are living in the 16th century.


how come they are so much better dressed than americans?


I told you... those are the mafiosa dons and their toadies, the child
molestors in the vatican (that's a whole country worth of minor's peepee
suckers), and the hoe's pimps (pimp is probably the most respectible actual
occupation in Italy). Truth is the poorest rural US hillybilly's wally
world clothes are ten times better than the raggedy **** encrusted schmatahs
those peons in the dago countryside drape over their festering ugli butts...
most don't even have shoes. And uou don't even want to compare ghetto gear.
Guineas dress like you type, lazy ass imbecile.


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Old April 9th, 2009, 07:19 AM posted to rec.food.cooking,soc.culture.italian,rec.travel.europe
Gregory Morrow[_132_]
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blake murphy wrote:

On Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:40:59 +0200, Giusi wrote:

"Gregory Morrow" ha scritto nel messaggio

That's because guinea WOP households are very primitive places, not

only
do many dwellings not only lack basic refrigeration, but also cooking

gas
and
plumbing and thus modern appliances and so the facilities for food
preparation are very limited...

Refrigerators and air conditioning are considered still by many in

Italy
to be "works of the devil", the cool air they produce is considered to

be
"bad for health"...

Not only do they lack modern refrigeration and A/C over there but
Italians do not believe in the use of window screens, that is why

malaria
and polio
and other vermin - borne and filth - borne diseases are so practically
rife there...

Italy really is still Third World, just look at a place like Venice,
MOUNDS of rubbish in the streets...and the canale of Venezia are open
sewers, they
dump the contents of their chamberpots right off of their balconies

every
morning...


I never realized that you were so old that you would have visited Italy

in
the 19th century.


of course he's old. it takes a long time to become that stupid.



I know you are just trolling, blake, so I won't take your comment
*personally*...

;-)


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Greg

"The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
people's money."~~~~Margaret Thatcher



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Old April 9th, 2009, 07:22 AM posted to rec.food.cooking,soc.culture.italian,rec.travel.europe
Gregory Morrow[_132_]
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William Black wrote:

On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:36:04 +0000, brooklyn1 wrote:


And the coastal cities ain't bad, I've traveled through the interior of
Italy by narrow gauge railroad, slowly wending its way from one midevil
village to the next and inbetwixt feifdoms, with filthy peons scratching
out meager viands keeping the worst for themselves. The only real
wealth in Italy is the Vatican, The Maffia, and the Touristas... there's
also a fairly large contingency of pickpockets and prostitutes. The
vast majority, compared to the US, subsist a millimeter from abject
poverty.


Have you considered visiting Italy since about 1960?

I can recommend Milan...



DFM said that Milano was boring...like Leeds, but with better spag bol.

;-)


--
Best
Greg

"The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
people's money."~~~~Margaret Thatcher



 




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