Art & art auctions

"Sue Mullen" wrote in message
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Tom K wrote:

If someone wants art, why not go to local galleries at the various ports
and look for original pieces done by local artists? Then you have
something done by an artists hand, not by a machine or computer.

Tom, as much as we enjoy art auctions, we have also gone to local
galleries in some ports. We have purchased a pc or two here and there, but
mostly the local artwork isn't what we want to have hanging in our home.
Different tastes for different people.

.. a better translation would be a serigraph is a "picture of a tree". If
you want the tree, get an original.

Are you going to tell me where the money tree is? For the type of artwork
we enjoy, we could not afford to buy the originals.

sue

There are galleries here in NJ - like the frame store on Rt.22 where I buy
frames - that have reasonably priced originals by local artists. Don't need
a money tree.

Before I'd spend Art Auction money on expensive prints... I'd rather buy a
cheap print for $5 at A.C. Moore's. At least I know I'm not getting ripped
off.

--Tom

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:38:39 -0500, "Tom K"
wrote:

An original oil, watercolor or acrylic is a one of a kind piece... though
even there you have to be VERY careful. Many originals are now produced in
oil painting factories. I saw a show about it on TV. One artist paints the
same object on consecutive canvases. Multiple artists then complete the
painting. Yes, a real painting, but not very "original".

I saw that show -- it was Thomas Kinkaide.

God, I hate his stuff.

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Tom K wrote:

If someone wants art, why not go to local galleries at the various ports and
look for original pieces done by local artists? Then you have something
done by an artists hand, not by a machine or computer.

In addition to both being a cheapskate and not liking the 'art' that
they sell on the ship, I have no space on my walls anymore. I have
been giving pictures that I have no space for to freecycle. If I
don't like it - out it goes sold a needlepoint picture I did from a
http://cache.virtualtourist.com/8129...from_a_kit.jpg
kit (so not really mine) on eBay for $10.00

Although I know I'm not a great artist, I have my own paintings
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/tt/30abb/#TL (the only one I still
have is the top one on this page - I've made each of my kids take some
of them and I didn't even have space for the portrait I did of my dad
which went to my nephew), and my grandmother's paintings (ditto - each
one of her great grandchildren had to take one), and a painting by
Carl Brenner that we inherited from Bob's family, all the rest of the
wall space that is available has family pictures or antique mirrors.

We do have a signed print of a picture by Mario Sanchez (a Key West
artist) because Bob admires him. An original would be beyond my
pocketbook completely.

Rosalie B. wrote:


In addition to both being a cheapskate and not liking the 'art' that
they sell on the ship, I have no space on my walls anymore.

In our case, the trailer's tires ran flat and it sagged in the middle.
Most of my art collection was lost, so we're definitely going to be at
the art auctions on the upcoming cruises.

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Nonnymus-

Suppose you were an idiot.
And suppose you were a member of Congress....
But then I repeat myself.

-Mark Twain

(Nonnymus)
In our case, the trailer's tires ran
flat and it sagged in the middle. Most
of my art collection was lost, so we're
definitely going to be at the art
auctions on the upcoming cruises.
--

I have never seen an Elvis on velvet at the art auctions. So I don't
bother going to them anymore.

Nonny, if you see an Elvis on velvet, please buy it for me.

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"Cruise Crazy" wrote in message
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(Nonnymus)
In our case, the trailer's tires ran
flat and it sagged in the middle. Most
of my art collection was lost, so we're
definitely going to be at the art
auctions on the upcoming cruises.
--

I have never seen an Elvis on velvet at the art auctions. So I don't
bother going to them anymore.


This might be right up your alley....
http://www.thevelvetstore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv



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George Leppla wrote:

"Cruise Crazy" wrote in message
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(Nonnymus)
In our case, the trailer's tires ran
flat and it sagged in the middle. Most
of my art collection was lost, so we're
definitely going to be at the art
auctions on the upcoming cruises.
--

I have never seen an Elvis on velvet at the art auctions. So I don't
bother going to them anymore.


This might be right up your alley....
http://www.thevelvetstore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv

George, I'm afraid that the velvet Elvis or other velvet portraits might
be a tad too formal for the Nonnytrailer. I'm thinking more along the
line of expanding the crying clown collection we have and might branch
out to more poker playing dogs artworks.

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Nonnymus-

Suppose you were an idiot.
And suppose you were a member of Congress....
But then I repeat myself.

-Mark Twain

Sue,

Thanks so much for the complement, I really appreciate it. Since art is
something I do know about from actual experience, I thought I would share
some of what I know that could possible be of benefit to at least a few
others. However, as the old saying goes... you can lead a horse to water,
but you can't make it drink. Some people are only going to believe and do
what they want, and no amount of enlightenment is going to change their
mind. But, that alright, that's just human nature. It is interesting though
how some are so adamant in their own options and beliefs that they somehow
expect all others to somehow to follow suit. Thank God, most people are
smart enough to make up their own minds.

Yet, someone did bring up an interesting point in relation to original art,
as compared to high-end limited editions. As I did mentions before, even
though the Art Auctions at Sea are not my cup of tea per say, and while one
would find very few originals in the mix - for obvious reasons, depending on
the reputation and name recognition of the artist in question, I have
witnessed many limited editions serigraphs and lithographs with a far
greater value, than even an original, but from an unknown artist.

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"Sue Mullen" wrote in message
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John, this is a very good post with great information.

Unfortunetly there are so many people here who will put down the art
auctions and anything connected with them no matter what anyone else has
to say.

sue



John Sisker wrote:
It appears that a bit more explanation may indeed be in order based on
the misinterpretation from others. To try to paint a simple explanation
of a reproduction with the same broad brush (no pun intended), is not
fully understanding the processes involved. Now, this is not to defend
the auction at sea concept, and whether one wants to participate or not
should really be up to the passenger, and for the reasons I already
mentioned. Naturally, there may be inexpensive reproduction prints in
with the mix, but a little awareness and correct information may go a
long way in this regard. Likewise, as I said, I have been a Gallery
Director at a number of land based galleries, which also goes
hand-in-hand with 25- years as a Graphics Designer, including 7-years
with the Walt Disney Company in Marketing and Merchandising Art.

All serigraphs and lithographs are all not just cheap prints run in mass
productions quantities, as implied here. This can be though, such as a
cheap print or poster from WalMart for example, with no true or real
value. There is an easy way to tell though. On the front of the high-end
reproduction should have two numbers, one over another, in the lower
corner, or perhaps even a raised seal of authenticity. The bottom number
if the total production run, no more than that will and can be made by
legal agreement. The top number is where this particular reproduction
fits in the sequence. Likewise, on the back of the art should be a
Certificate of Authenticity, attesting to this limited-edition production
run. As compared to a one of the kind original, this allows the artist to
circulate his or her work to more people, at a lower price point, yet
still keeping some type of value.

Since some have the impression that a serigraph is a serigraph and a
lithograph is a lithograph; that would be like saying a "tree is a tree,"
seen one, seen them all. In reality thought, a serigraph is a silk-screen
reproduction, while a lithographs is a printed reproduction. Yet, for a
high-end, limited-edition lithograph reproduction for example, a high
quality printing process is used, with color correction and on acid free
quality paper (even can be printed to canvas), as compared to low-end
mass-produced reproductions for posters and low quality prints.
Serigraphs go through the same degree of scrutiny, with the process
usually the next step above a lithograph. So as one can see, this is not
just a simple apples to oranges comparison.

Patricia Martin Steward wrote:

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:38:39 -0500, "Tom K"
wrote:

An original oil, watercolor or acrylic is a one of a kind piece... though
even there you have to be VERY careful. Many originals are now produced in
oil painting factories. I saw a show about it on TV. One artist paints the
same object on consecutive canvases. Multiple artists then complete the
painting. Yes, a real painting, but not very "original".

I saw that show -- it was Thomas Kinkaide.

God, I hate his stuff.

Me too, but some people love it. If I had to live with that I'd be
terminally depressed.

There are also places who do portraits on canvas using a computer. My
husband submitted a Polaroid of me and our two oldest kids and had a
portrait done in Italy - back in 1964 before computer generated
portraits. This was a real portrait done by a real artist - it wasn't
exactly like the picture because they gave my youngest (then 9 months
old) a full set of teeth which she didn't have in the original and
also we all looked sort of Italian with more olive toned skin..

My daughter's husband had a similar portrait done in Korea or
somewhere and it is an exact replica of the picture they used - no
brush strokes or anything. But you have to look at it closely to see,
and it does make a nice picture of the family to hang - better than
just a photo enlargement.

On 12/24/2008 2:59 PM Rosalie B. did a "happy dance", then made these
writings:
Patricia Martin Steward wrote:


On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:38:39 -0500, "Tom K"
wrote:

An original oil, watercolor or acrylic is a one of a kind piece... though
even there you have to be VERY careful. Many originals are now produced in
oil painting factories. I saw a show about it on TV. One artist paints the
same object on consecutive canvases. Multiple artists then complete the
painting. Yes, a real painting, but not very "original".

I saw that show -- it was Thomas Kinkaide.

God, I hate his stuff.


Me too, but some people love it. If I had to live with that I'd be
terminally depressed.

There are also places who do portraits on canvas using a computer. My
husband submitted a Polaroid of me and our two oldest kids and had a
portrait done in Italy - back in 1964 before computer generated
portraits. This was a real portrait done by a real artist - it wasn't
exactly like the picture because they gave my youngest (then 9 months
old) a full set of teeth which she didn't have in the original and
also we all looked sort of Italian with more olive toned skin..

My daughter's husband had a similar portrait done in Korea or
somewhere and it is an exact replica of the picture they used - no
brush strokes or anything. But you have to look at it closely to see,
and it does make a nice picture of the family to hang - better than
just a photo enlargement.


I put him in the same class as that fat lady with the head band. What is
it that she sells, oh yeah...Quacker Factory. A favorite amongst the
terminally fashion impaired.

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