UK closed

Hatunen writes:

... I reckon very small particles might pass through a
jet engine OK.

Alas, no. First, the particles are extremely abrasive, irrespective of their
small size. Second, they often melt at temperatures below those in jet engine
cores, and then plug or block or hinder the operation of the engine, causing
it to stop. Volcanic ash is extremely dangerous stuff for aircraft (and for a
lot of other things, including people).

Hatunen writes:

But the train is still a good idea if the ash stays.

Trains are a good idea even after the ash leaves.

Am Thu, 15 Apr 2010 14:29:16 -0500 schrieb erilar:

Is that going to affect travel to Germany in the immediate future?

Yes, currently lots of German Airports are closed (Frankfurt, Cologne,
Dusseldorf, Hamburg, Berlin...). airports in the South like Munich or
Stuttgart are still open at present (but probably will close sometime later
on).

The best you can do is keep checking the website of the airport you are
travelling to. Could be a good chance that they re-open by Saturday or
Sunday when the cloud has passend.

Regards,

Frank

"Frank Hucklenbroich" wrote in message
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Am Thu, 15 Apr 2010 14:29:16 -0500 schrieb erilar:

Is that going to affect travel to Germany in the immediate future?

Yes, currently lots of German Airports are closed (Frankfurt, Cologne,
Dusseldorf, Hamburg, Berlin...). airports in the South like Munich or
Stuttgart are still open at present (but probably will close sometime
later
on).

The best you can do is keep checking the website of the airport you are
travelling to. Could be a good chance that they re-open by Saturday or
Sunday when the cloud has passend.

Regards,

Frank

It's not just the airport that is a problem it's the airspace that the
aircraft has to fly through. So, coming from Africa and the Middle East is
probably OK. From North America and Northern Europe there's probably a
problem.

Am 15.04.2010 21:29, schrieb erilar:
Is that going to affect travel to Germany in the immediate future?

All airports in northern Germany were closed during the night. Frankfurt
followed this morning 8:00 am. Munich ist still open. But this seems to
be only a matter of time, as the ash cloud is moving to the south east!
Even Angie on her trip home from Arnie will have to land in Munich
today! ;-)

Josef


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On 15 Apr, 19:06, PeterL wrote:
On Apr 15, 9:44*am, Surreyman
wrote:

No air flights not nowhere in or out of the UK today.
Total chaos of course.
I live near Heathrow and at 5.30 p.m. the skies are sunny, clear and
blue.
Where's that volcanic fall-out then?
Did someone hit the panic button too soon, too hard?

In order to fly to the airport or out of it, planes have to fly
through air space that's been polluted by volcanic ash, which can
damage the engines.

You must be the frog that lives in a well and can only see your own
sky.

Not if Heathrow flights are going anywhere but north.
According to the met maps, it was almost night-time Thursday before
the cloud even approached southern England.
Still can't see a thing above Heathrow 9 a.m. Friday. At only 18,000
ft. it must be an extraordinarily fine cloud!?

Surreyman

On 15 Apr, 20:29, erilar wrote:
Is that going to affect travel to Germany in the immediate future?

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Northern Europe is also closed down - now for Friday too.
Chunnel & ferries inevitably over-booked.
We're marooned!

Surreyman

Am 16.04.2010 10:59, schrieb Martin:
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:54:19 -0700, Hatunen wrote:

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 01:11:42 +0200, Martin
wrote:

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 01:04:33 +0200, Martin wrote:

On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:22:20 -0700, Hatunen wrote:

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 00:44:23 +0200, Martin
wrote:

On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:02:11 -0700, Hatunen wrote:

On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 14:29:16 -0500, erilar
wrote:


Is that going to affect travel to Germany in the immediate future?

Not if you take take the train.

and fly via Madrid?

Why would you fly via Madrid to get to Germany if you're taking
the train?

How else will she get from the US to Europe?

Most of Northern Europe is closed to air travel.

It seems trans-Atlantic flights to Germany are not affected at the moment.
Eurocontrol appears to have gone off at half cock.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...html#ref=nlint

Half-hour-old news on Yahoo from AP says Hamburg and Berlin were
closed as of Thursday evening.

but not Frankfurt which is one of the biggest hubs in Europe.

Frankfurt is closed since 8am this morning! Austria will close its
airspace this afternoon. So it's going on!

Josef

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Josef Kleber wrote:
Am 16.04.2010 10:59, schrieb Martin:
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:54:19 -0700, Hatunen wrote:

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 01:11:42 +0200, Martin
wrote:

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 01:04:33 +0200, Martin wrote:

On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:22:20 -0700, Hatunen wrote:

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 00:44:23 +0200, Martin
wrote:

On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:02:11 -0700, Hatunen wrote:

On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 14:29:16 -0500, erilar
wrote:

Is that going to affect travel to Germany in the immediate future?
Not if you take take the train.
and fly via Madrid?
Why would you fly via Madrid to get to Germany if you're taking
the train?
How else will she get from the US to Europe?

Most of Northern Europe is closed to air travel.
It seems trans-Atlantic flights to Germany are not affected at the moment.
Eurocontrol appears to have gone off at half cock.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...html#ref=nlint
Half-hour-old news on Yahoo from AP says Hamburg and Berlin were
closed as of Thursday evening.
but not Frankfurt which is one of the biggest hubs in Europe.

Frankfurt is closed since 8am this morning! Austria will close its
airspace this afternoon. So it's going on!

Josef


As of now 11AM, Stuttgart and Munich are still open. Frankfurt and all
other airports have suspended operations.

T.

On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:44:20 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman
wrote:

I live near Heathrow and at 5.30 p.m. the skies are sunny, clear and
blue.
Where's that volcanic fall-out then?

pretty much invisible, I understand. Its just damaging to jet engines.
Tiny bits of "glass".
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