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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:05:20 -0700, Hatunen wrote
(in article ): On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:39:14 -0400, "Matthew L. Martin" wrote: George Graves wrote: Would you like to explain how Clinton's perjury in any way ivolved double jeopardy? This I gotta hear! Having been tried, convicted and sentenced, Bill Clinton (or anyone else) can not be tried for the same offense again. That was simple, not unlike yourself. Simplistic is more like it. Again: Impeachment does not introduce double jeopardy considerations. Period. Exactly. |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:10:33 -0700, Sam Spade wrote
(in article ): George Graves wrote: And there is no such thing as "legal council". Counsel, yes. Hmmm, so there is no difference between medical council, legal council, social counsel or psychological council? Thanks for the info. And all this time, I assumed that they were different disciplines. I know I am not as smart as any of you guys. Especially, I don't understand the use of the word "council" when applied to the fields of medicine and law, as you state them above. Please help me understand these unusual uses of the word "council." And, what is a "social counsel?" What a social counselor does. |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:24:27 -0700, Ric Seyler wrote
(in article ): George Graves wrote: On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:06:28 -0700, Ric Seyler wrote (in article ): George Graves wrote: On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:53:04 -0700, sechumlib wrote (in article ): On 2007-07-08 13:53:32 -0400, George Graves said: On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 06:49:25 -0700, sechumlib wrote (in article ): On 2007-07-07 22:34:26 -0400, George Graves said: OK, I'm all for it. What are the charges? Remember, these have to be legitimate charges, instances where he broke US law. Anyone who consider's Clinton's impeachment to have been based on "legitimate charges" is living out in the never-never land of the far right. Anyone who condones perjury in a court of law, by anyone, high or low, has no right to live under a Democratic Republic. That means you, buddy. Is that a threat, or just the empty bluster it looks like? I'm no Republican, but had I been the Judge, Clinton would have done time. Just curious, what about Scooter? Scooter GOT time, but Bush pardoned him. LOLOLOL Oh man...... what happened to ....... It undermines our entire court system if ONE perjurer is allowed to get away with lying under oath, much less the sitting President of the United States. "Do as we say, not as we do", NeoCON/Jesuslander mentality, hummm..... possibly? Did I say that I AGREED with Bush's action? I did not. I was merely pointing out that it has nothing per se to do with the US system of jurisprudence, but its rather a presidential privilege just as a governor has the privilege of granting stays of execution and commuting death sentences to life in prison. You guys should start reading for content instead of looking for NeoCons under every bed... |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
George Graves wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:10:33 -0700, Sam Spade wrote (in article ): George Graves wrote: And there is no such thing as "legal council". Counsel, yes. Hmmm, so there is no difference between medical council, legal council, social counsel or psychological council? Thanks for the info. And all this time, I assumed that they were different disciplines. I know I am not as smart as any of you guys. Especially, I don't understand the use of the word "council" when applied to the fields of medicine and law, as you state them above. Please help me understand these unusual uses of the word "council." And, what is a "social counsel?" What a social counselor does. Okay, that makes sense. At least it did, once I Googled the phrase. But, you need to help me understand medical, legal, and pyschological councils (if you would be so kind, that is). |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
George Graves wrote: On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:24:27 -0700, Ric Seyler wrote (in article ): George Graves wrote: On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:06:28 -0700, Ric Seyler wrote (in article ): George Graves wrote: On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:53:04 -0700, sechumlib wrote (in article ): On 2007-07-08 13:53:32 -0400, George Graves said: On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 06:49:25 -0700, sechumlib wrote (in article ): On 2007-07-07 22:34:26 -0400, George Graves said: OK, I'm all for it. What are the charges? Remember, these have to be legitimate charges, instances where he broke US law. Anyone who consider's Clinton's impeachment to have been based on "legitimate charges" is living out in the never-never land of the far right. Anyone who condones perjury in a court of law, by anyone, high or low, has no right to live under a Democratic Republic. That means you, buddy. Is that a threat, or just the empty bluster it looks like? I'm no Republican, but had I been the Judge, Clinton would have done time. Just curious, what about Scooter? Scooter GOT time, but Bush pardoned him. LOLOLOL Oh man...... what happened to ....... It undermines our entire court system if ONE perjurer is allowed to get away with lying under oath, much less the sitting President of the United States. "Do as we say, not as we do", NeoCON/Jesuslander mentality, hummm..... possibly? Did I say that I AGREED with Bush's action? I did not. I was merely pointing out that it has nothing per se to do with the US system of jurisprudence, but its rather a presidential privilege just as a governor has the privilege of granting stays of execution and commuting death sentences to life in prison. You guys should start reading for content instead of looking for NeoCons under every bed... HAHAHAHAHA!! If they had their way, they would be under all our beds!! Keepin us "moral"............ -- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove -SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:24:37 -0700, Ric Seyler wrote
(in article ): George Graves wrote: On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:41:13 -0700, sechumlib wrote (in article ): On 2007-07-09 16:47:13 -0400, George Graves said: On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:15:28 -0700, sechumlib wrote (in article ): On 2007-07-09 14:10:43 -0400, George Graves said: Given most of this thread's respondents grasp of US law (as witnessed by their inability to understand simple perjury laws) is woefully inadequate, I'd say very few. We're not all the kind of Pharisee you are. No, you're not. You don't know the law, and you don't seem to want to learn it and you don't seem understand the importance of being compelled to tell the truth in a court of law. Whether it's stubbornness that makes you this way, or willful ignorance, or just stupidity is not for me to comment upon, and I won't. I've been a lawyer for 42 years. I just have a different political view than you do. A lawyer, huh? Then maybe you can tell me what either your or my POLITICS have to do with the law? And by the way, sir, remind me not to choose your firm If I ever need legal council. I'd say George that is spot on relevant since we are discussing a POLITICAL sentence communion. Purely political to prevent Scooter from rolling over on the Bush Admin once he gets a taste of prison. Scooter ain't no Ollie North. Ollie was a hard core mercenary, Scoot AIN'T. He would crumble like a cookie as soon as he met Bubba in the shower. I still don't see what his political beliefs or my political beliefs have to do with the law. The President's commutation of Libby's sentence, or any hard pardon that might, eventually, come from this case, has nothing to do with the courts and the law. The courts will either convict of exonerate him and they will sentence him. What the President does AFTER that is a totally different and wholly disconnected act over which the court has no say. |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:53:21 -0700, Sam Spade wrote
(in article ): George Graves wrote: On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:10:33 -0700, Sam Spade wrote (in article ): George Graves wrote: And there is no such thing as "legal council". Counsel, yes. Hmmm, so there is no difference between medical council, legal council, social counsel or psychological council? Thanks for the info. And all this time, I assumed that they were different disciplines. I know I am not as smart as any of you guys. Especially, I don't understand the use of the word "council" when applied to the fields of medicine and law, as you state them above. Please help me understand these unusual uses of the word "council." And, what is a "social counsel?" What a social counselor does. Okay, that makes sense. At least it did, once I Googled the phrase. But, you need to help me understand medical, legal, and pyschological councils (if you would be so kind, that is). A counselor is anyone who gives council the is to say, expert advice. This advice can be medical, psycological, marital (as in a marriage counselor), legal (as in a lawyer): From the Mac's built-in dictionary : counselor (also chiefly Brit. counsellor) noun 1 a person trained to give guidance on personal, social, or psychological problems : a marriage counselor. € [often with adj. ] a person who gives advice on a specified subject : a debt counselor. 2 a person who supervises children at a camp. 3 a trial lawyer. 4 a senior officer in the diplomatic service. ORIGIN Middle English (in the general sense [adviser] ): from Old French conseiller, from Latin consiliarius, and Old French conseillour, from Latin consiliator, both from consilium Śconsultation or advice.ą USAGE A counselor is someone who gives advice or counsel, esp. an attorney. A councilor, on the other hand, is a member of a council, such as a town or city council. Confusion arises because many: counselors sit on councils, and councilors are often called on to give counsel. Thesaurus counselor noun I discussed college choices with my counselor. adviser, consultant, guide, mentor; expert, specialist. Clear now, Mr. Spade? (BTW, where did that falcon go?) The point is that unlike what the poster who said that there is no such thing as legal counsel, but rather, just counsel, there are all kinds of counsel and counsellors. |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:58:20 -0700, Ric Seyler wrote
(in article ): George Graves wrote: On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:24:27 -0700, Ric Seyler wrote (in article ): George Graves wrote: On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:06:28 -0700, Ric Seyler wrote (in article ): George Graves wrote: On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:53:04 -0700, sechumlib wrote (in article ): On 2007-07-08 13:53:32 -0400, George Graves said: On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 06:49:25 -0700, sechumlib wrote (in article ): On 2007-07-07 22:34:26 -0400, George Graves said: OK, I'm all for it. What are the charges? Remember, these have to be legitimate charges, instances where he broke US law. Anyone who consider's Clinton's impeachment to have been based on "legitimate charges" is living out in the never-never land of the far right. Anyone who condones perjury in a court of law, by anyone, high or low, has no right to live under a Democratic Republic. That means you, buddy. Is that a threat, or just the empty bluster it looks like? I'm no Republican, but had I been the Judge, Clinton would have done time. Just curious, what about Scooter? Scooter GOT time, but Bush pardoned him. LOLOLOL Oh man...... what happened to ....... It undermines our entire court system if ONE perjurer is allowed to get away with lying under oath, much less the sitting President of the United States. "Do as we say, not as we do", NeoCON/Jesuslander mentality, hummm..... possibly? Did I say that I AGREED with Bush's action? I did not. I was merely pointing out that it has nothing per se to do with the US system of jurisprudence, but its rather a presidential privilege just as a governor has the privilege of granting stays of execution and commuting death sentences to life in prison. You guys should start reading for content instead of looking for NeoCons under every bed... HAHAHAHAHA!! If they had their way, they would be under all our beds!! Keepin us "moral"............ Thankfully, their day in the sun is over. If the REAL Conservatives in the Republican party were smart, they'd form a new party to distance themselves from these people. We need a strong, national, third party anyway because the two parties that we now have have not represented an increasing number of Americans' interests in decades. |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:28:17 -0700, George Graves
wrote: On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:53:21 -0700, Sam Spade wrote (in article ): George Graves wrote: On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:10:33 -0700, Sam Spade wrote (in article ): George Graves wrote: And there is no such thing as "legal council". Counsel, yes. Hmmm, so there is no difference between medical council, legal council, social counsel or psychological council? Thanks for the info. And all this time, I assumed that they were different disciplines. I know I am not as smart as any of you guys. Especially, I don't understand the use of the word "council" when applied to the fields of medicine and law, as you state them above. Please help me understand these unusual uses of the word "council." And, what is a "social counsel?" What a social counselor does. Okay, that makes sense. At least it did, once I Googled the phrase. But, you need to help me understand medical, legal, and pyschological councils (if you would be so kind, that is). A counselor is anyone who gives council the is to say, expert advice. This advice can be medical, psycological, marital (as in a marriage counselor), legal (as in a lawyer): Come, come. A counselor doesn't give council, a counselor gives counsel. You own quoted defintion below makes the difference clear. From the Mac's built-in dictionary : counselor (also chiefly Brit. counsellor) noun 1 a person trained to give guidance on personal, social, or psychological problems : a marriage counselor. € [often with adj. ] a person who gives advice on a specified subject : a debt counselor. 2 a person who supervises children at a camp. 3 a trial lawyer. 4 a senior officer in the diplomatic service. ORIGIN Middle English (in the general sense [adviser] ): from Old French conseiller, from Latin consiliarius, and Old French conseillour, from Latin consiliator, both from consilium Śconsultation or advice.ą USAGE A counselor is someone who gives advice or counsel, esp. an attorney. A councilor, on the other hand, is a member of a council, such as a town or city council. Confusion arises because many: counselors sit on councils, and councilors are often called on to give counsel. -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:34:07 -0700, Hatunen wrote
(in article ): On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:28:17 -0700, George Graves wrote: On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:53:21 -0700, Sam Spade wrote (in article ): George Graves wrote: On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:10:33 -0700, Sam Spade wrote (in article ): George Graves wrote: And there is no such thing as "legal council". Counsel, yes. Hmmm, so there is no difference between medical council, legal council, social counsel or psychological council? Thanks for the info. And all this time, I assumed that they were different disciplines. I know I am not as smart as any of you guys. Especially, I don't understand the use of the word "council" when applied to the fields of medicine and law, as you state them above. Please help me understand these unusual uses of the word "council." And, what is a "social counsel?" What a social counselor does. Okay, that makes sense. At least it did, once I Googled the phrase. But, you need to help me understand medical, legal, and pyschological councils (if you would be so kind, that is). A counselor is anyone who gives council the is to say, expert advice. This advice can be medical, psycological, marital (as in a marriage counselor), legal (as in a lawyer): Come, come. A counselor doesn't give council, a counselor gives counsel. You own quoted defintion below makes the difference clear. You're gonna crucify me for a spelling mistake????!!!! From the Mac's built-in dictionary : counselor (also chiefly Brit. counsellor) noun 1 a person trained to give guidance on personal, social, or psychological problems : a marriage counselor. € [often with adj. ] a person who gives advice on a specified subject : a debt counselor. 2 a person who supervises children at a camp. 3 a trial lawyer. 4 a senior officer in the diplomatic service. ORIGIN Middle English (in the general sense [adviser] ): from Old French conseiller, from Latin consiliarius, and Old French conseillour, from Latin consiliator, both from consilium Śconsultation or advice.ą USAGE A counselor is someone who gives advice or counsel, esp. an attorney. A councilor, on the other hand, is a member of a council, such as a town or city council. Confusion arises because many: counselors sit on councils, and councilors are often called on to give counsel. |
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