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Prophet of the Way wrote in message ...
ggg wrote: Does anyone ever take off their shoes when required but not leave them with the rest of the shoes? Some temples and castles provide plastic bags at the entrance and ask tourists to carry their shoes to the exit. I remember that in Forbidden City, visitors had to wear fabric overshoes. Also, is it rude to carry your own chopsticks to eateries instead of using disposable ones provided? Some environment-conscious people do this. |
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Prophet of the Way wrote in message ...
ggg wrote: Does anyone ever take off their shoes when required but not leave them with the rest of the shoes? Some temples and castles provide plastic bags at the entrance and ask tourists to carry their shoes to the exit. I remember that in Forbidden City, visitors had to wear fabric overshoes. Also, is it rude to carry your own chopsticks to eateries instead of using disposable ones provided? Some environment-conscious people do this. |
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Prophet of the Way wrote in message ...
ggg wrote: Does anyone ever take off their shoes when required but not leave them with the rest of the shoes? Some temples and castles provide plastic bags at the entrance and ask tourists to carry their shoes to the exit. I remember that in Forbidden City, visitors had to wear fabric overshoes. Also, is it rude to carry your own chopsticks to eateries instead of using disposable ones provided? Some environment-conscious people do this. |
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Pan wrote in message . ..
On 28 Nov 2004 15:51:09 -0800, (ggg) wrote: [snip] Does anyone ever take off their shoes when required but not leave them with the rest of the shoes? I know that HK tourists take them in Thailand to avoid theft and I have an article about Burma where the girls take off their shoes at temple but carry their shoes along. [snip] I'm guessing that it's very unlikely your shoes would be stolen in Japan, if that's a concern, but I don't have recent experience in I know what you mean about not worrying based on likelihood. My concern (and I have no immediate plans to go just that I like to mull) is not whether it's likely to happen but is it going to be backlash free to take precautions. Whether life would be easier if I just gave in might affect my behavior. I want to know if I would put anyone's nose out of joint. My question is not whether does anyone want my undesirable shoes but why wouldn't my shoes be vulnerable unattended. (And I have no idea where I would go that I would have to take off my shoes. I guess maybe a ryokan but that opens an even bigger can of worms re security that I'll spare the group for now.) Nice law abiding people cannot control oddballs. Is bicycle theft not a problem in Japan? And is shoplifting an unheard of problem? Those are thefts related to property left out in the open. I wouldn't discuss this or explain when I put my shoes into my own ziploc and into my own bag but I would say simply if prodded that this makes me comfortable (happy even.) I guess if I'm not breaking any laws, locals will probably just let me go my ignorant way. I wonder if it's common for fastidious people in Japan to go with the flow intstead of going with what their sense of things. Culturally, HK people wouldn't go for anything just because it's the rule if they think it's stupid and or possibly dirty; ombudsman discoveries of dirtiness are really popular in Chinese news and in culture. (But I've eaten from the communal Korean boiling pot even though I was raised against that behavior because I was happy to be invited to dip a spoon in.) I'm not fastidious at all but I don't like to check my coat either. Japan. Would anyone disagree? Michael If you would like to send a private email to me, please take out the TRASH, so to speak. Please do not email me something which you also posted. |
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Pan wrote in message . ..
On 28 Nov 2004 15:51:09 -0800, (ggg) wrote: [snip] Does anyone ever take off their shoes when required but not leave them with the rest of the shoes? I know that HK tourists take them in Thailand to avoid theft and I have an article about Burma where the girls take off their shoes at temple but carry their shoes along. [snip] I'm guessing that it's very unlikely your shoes would be stolen in Japan, if that's a concern, but I don't have recent experience in I know what you mean about not worrying based on likelihood. My concern (and I have no immediate plans to go just that I like to mull) is not whether it's likely to happen but is it going to be backlash free to take precautions. Whether life would be easier if I just gave in might affect my behavior. I want to know if I would put anyone's nose out of joint. My question is not whether does anyone want my undesirable shoes but why wouldn't my shoes be vulnerable unattended. (And I have no idea where I would go that I would have to take off my shoes. I guess maybe a ryokan but that opens an even bigger can of worms re security that I'll spare the group for now.) Nice law abiding people cannot control oddballs. Is bicycle theft not a problem in Japan? And is shoplifting an unheard of problem? Those are thefts related to property left out in the open. I wouldn't discuss this or explain when I put my shoes into my own ziploc and into my own bag but I would say simply if prodded that this makes me comfortable (happy even.) I guess if I'm not breaking any laws, locals will probably just let me go my ignorant way. I wonder if it's common for fastidious people in Japan to go with the flow intstead of going with what their sense of things. Culturally, HK people wouldn't go for anything just because it's the rule if they think it's stupid and or possibly dirty; ombudsman discoveries of dirtiness are really popular in Chinese news and in culture. (But I've eaten from the communal Korean boiling pot even though I was raised against that behavior because I was happy to be invited to dip a spoon in.) I'm not fastidious at all but I don't like to check my coat either. Japan. Would anyone disagree? Michael If you would like to send a private email to me, please take out the TRASH, so to speak. Please do not email me something which you also posted. |
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ggg wrote:
Pan wrote in message . .. On 28 Nov 2004 15:51:09 -0800, (ggg) wrote: [snip] Does anyone ever take off their shoes when required but not leave them with the rest of the shoes? I know that HK tourists take them in Thailand to avoid theft and I have an article about Burma where the girls take off their shoes at temple but carry their shoes along. [snip] I'm guessing that it's very unlikely your shoes would be stolen in Japan, if that's a concern, but I don't have recent experience in I know what you mean about not worrying based on likelihood. My concern (and I have no immediate plans to go just that I like to mull) is not whether it's likely to happen but is it going to be backlash free to take precautions. Whether life would be easier if I just gave in might affect my behavior. I want to know if I would put anyone's nose out of joint. My question is not whether does anyone want my undesirable shoes but why wouldn't my shoes be vulnerable unattended. (And I have no idea where I would go that I would have to take off my shoes. I guess maybe a ryokan but that opens an even bigger can of worms re security that I'll spare the group for now.) Nice law abiding people cannot control oddballs. Is bicycle theft not a problem in Japan? And is shoplifting an unheard of problem? Those are thefts related to property left out in the open. I wouldn't discuss this or explain when I put my shoes into my own ziploc and into my own bag but I would say simply if prodded that this makes me comfortable (happy even.) I guess if I'm not breaking any laws, locals will probably just let me go my ignorant way. I wonder if it's common for fastidious people in Japan to go with the flow intstead of going with what their sense of things. Culturally, HK people wouldn't go for anything just because it's the rule if they think it's stupid and or possibly dirty; ombudsman discoveries of dirtiness are really popular in Chinese news and in culture. (But I've eaten from the communal Korean boiling pot even though I was raised against that behavior because I was happy to be invited to dip a spoon in.) I'm not fastidious at all but I don't like to check my coat either. Hello ggg, Itīs me here again. Theft of shoes, bicycles, caps, dogs, sausages, fountain pens, snow-shovels, dentures, etc, etc, etc, etc as well as shoplifting are of course not unheard of in Japan. OTH, I think I can safely say that such occurrenses are very rare. Again, I have only been living there for a little over 10 years, so I might be completely wrong or even bloody wrong. IMHO, you seem to be slightly overapprehensive regarding Japan; you donīt seem to grasp the concept that several posters are trying to convey. If in doubt, stay home, where you are more likely to be subject to all the lurking dangers you seem to fear. Pardon me for being a bit frank and even rude after reading your numerous buts and ifs, no one will miss you if you don't go to Japan, but you will definitely miss a lot and, most probably, a wonderful travel experience! Stop worrying & theorizing, just go and, above all, enjoy! Rgds, Kim |
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Chris Kuan wrote:
(ggg) wrote on Sun 05 Dec 2004 03:38:35a My concern (and I have no immediate plans to go just that I like to mull) is not whether it's likely to happen but is it going to be backlash free to take precautions. I think if you took a special drawstring bag for your shoes, people might even see it is quirkily cute behaviour. I would think that looked really bad. In some venues, standing out like that would just look stupid but I don't think I'll be at such places. I was just wondering. Don't label me as antitravel or timid. That's a BIG difference between Japan and HK. Japanese culture encourages going with the flow in just about evey aspect of life. Being a rude HKer *is* a way of life :-) The best HK people are great. This reminds me of that Stockard Channing solo in Grease. There are things HK people wouldn't do. It depends on an individual's taste. It doesn't help in a popularity poll that HK people don't bother to hide their dismissal of people they find too stupid or too dishonest to know. Is that rude? I don't know. I think it's really amusing. |
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