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Trip Report - SDF-DTW-AMS-BCN-MAD-JFK-CVG-SDF
Steve writes
While not air related, the Metro Line into Madrid is extremely nice. It's a bit of a walk to the Metro station, but it's nice and I was impressed with Madrid's metro system compared to the Metro system in Barcelona (which does not goto BCN). There's quite a convenient train service between the airport and Plaça Catalunya in the centre of Barcelona. -- Simon Elliott http://www.ctsn.co.uk/ |
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Shoe Nazis / TSA harassment
The Bill Mattocks wrote:
What else might they decide to change, just because they feel like it? That is the problem. forcing airlines to dump metal knives for meals was as a knee jerk reaction to the 9-11 highjackers, not from a well thought out security policy. Doing the shoe inspection thing wasn't the result of a well thought out security policy, but a knee jerk reaction to the shoe bomber. These measures don't inspire confidence that the TSA is proactively bettering security, it reminds one that the TSA acts to respond to political pressures from single events that make it to the news media. Upon its formation, the TSA should have been given a 1 or 2 year mandate to setup security at airports without ANY political intervention and draw up a comprehensive plan both on a national scale (standards) as well as on a local scale (what design changes are needed at each airport). Without political influence, the TSA could have consulted experts, gone to other countries to see how they do things etc etc and then come up with a competent plan that has credibility. Maybe the TSA is doing this behind the scenes. But its image is tarnished by the stories of funny stuff happening at airports. Now, if the TSA were to come forward and tell it like it is: "sorry folks, but at x% of airports, physical access to airside security is insufficient, and it will take x millions and x amount of time to fix each individual airport". Until this is done, you can expect more events such as the kid placing clay and other stuff in air aircraft." The same could have been said about luggage screening. The TSA should have come out very publicly stating exactly what it would take to get a decent luggage screening, including not only the money but also time. TSA needs to take a leadership role instead of just reacting to what politicians/media are saying. |
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Shoe Nazis / TSA harassment
Bal Anatis wrote in message ...
That is the problem. forcing airlines to dump metal knives for meals was as a knee jerk reaction to the 9-11 highjackers, not from a well thought out security policy. Agreed. Doing the shoe inspection thing wasn't the result of a well thought out security policy, but a knee jerk reaction to the shoe bomber. Agreed. These measures don't inspire confidence that the TSA is proactively bettering security, it reminds one that the TSA acts to respond to political pressures from single events that make it to the news media. Agreed. Upon its formation, the TSA should have been given a 1 or 2 year mandate to setup security at airports without ANY political intervention and draw up a comprehensive plan both on a national scale (standards) as well as on a local scale (what design changes are needed at each airport). While I appreciate your thoughtful take on this, I have to disagree. The TSA should never have been formed. Its very existance violates the US Fourth Amendment - unreasonable search and seizure. Now, had it been a private organization, or (my suggestion at the time), the US Coast Guard, then I could apply your comments above and agree with them. Without political influence, the TSA could have consulted experts, gone to other countries to see how they do things etc etc and then come up with a competent plan that has credibility. But I think we both know that this was going to be political. There was very little way to avoid it. First, the politicians reacted like humans do - with shock and horror. Then, they got back to the dirty business of manipulating the situation to create maximum advantage, power, and money for themselves. Maybe the TSA is doing this behind the scenes. But its image is tarnished by the stories of funny stuff happening at airports. The TSA is a farce, but what's worse is that it is a dangerous farce. Now, if the TSA were to come forward and tell it like it is: "sorry folks, but at x% of airports, physical access to airside security is insufficient, and it will take x millions and x amount of time to fix each individual airport". Until this is done, you can expect more events such as the kid placing clay and other stuff in air aircraft." Agreed. Most politicos seem to believe that US citizens can't handle the truth. The same could have been said about luggage screening. The TSA should have come out very publicly stating exactly what it would take to get a decent luggage screening, including not only the money but also time. Agreed. TSA needs to take a leadership role instead of just reacting to what politicians/media are saying. The TSA is going to be out of business very soon. The law that forces airports to use TSA services expires in 2004 (as I understand it) - then they can choose to continue to use the TSA, or go with private security. Unless the law is amended (which could happen, depends on circumstances), I believe that most airports will dump the TSA - there is no love lost there. Best Regards, Bill Mattocks |
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Shoe Nazis / TSA harassment
The TSA is going to be out of business very soon. The law that forces airports to use TSA services expires in 2004 (as I understand it) - then they can choose to continue to use the TSA, or go with private security. Unless the law is amended (which could happen, depends on circumstances), I believe that most airports will dump the TSA - there is no love lost there. Ah - the stupidest poster here is back. The TSA isn't "going out of business" in 2004. Their contract expires in November of 2004, and the individual airport has the choice to renew it. Already (1 year in advance) 50% of airports said they would renew it. Why? Because if they don't they are responcible for security and 75% of the costs (with TSA chipping in the other 25%). So they are going to obviously save the money, and keep with whats working. The rest of your post was just stupid and boring, so I won't even bother to respond to it. |
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Shoe Nazis / TSA harassment
In article ,
Binyamin Dissen wrote: You have the choice to refuse the search and not fly. If you refuse the search, you will not be permitted to simply return to landside. You will be detained and questioned at the least. -- Randy Hudson |
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Shoe Nazis / TSA harassment
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:48:37 +0000 (UTC) (Randy Hudson) wrote:
:In article , : Binyamin Dissen wrote: : You have the choice to refuse the search and not fly. :If you refuse the search, you will not be permitted to simply return to :landside. You will be detained and questioned at the least. And you can refuse to answer. No probable cause for arrest. -- Binyamin Dissen http://www.dissensoftware.com |
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Shoe Nazis / TSA harassment
"Randy Hudson" wrote in message ... In article , Binyamin Dissen wrote: You have the choice to refuse the search and not fly. If you refuse the search, you will not be permitted to simply return to landside. You will be detained and questioned at the least. If you're dumb enough to get into a security check point line to begin with, knowing full well you're going to buck the system and refuse the search, then you deserve everything you get, including the full-fisted rectal exam! WHEN YOU BUY AN AIRLINE TICKET you are bound by their contract just as much as they are bound to you - you agree to their security proceedures, you agree to submit yourself and your belongings that you are taking with you to a security screening process conducted by the TSA. Previously, those searches were done by privately run companies. There is no difference. I can't stand to hear constitutional arguments regarding air transportation. First, your constitutional rights were put on hold at best by the Shrub after 9/11 created the patriot act. You can now be detained indefinitely without ever being charged with anything. Therefore, I suggest that if you get in line for airport security checks, that you keep your big dissenting yap closed or suffer the consequences. |
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Shoe Nazis / TSA harassment
me wrote:
(The Bill Mattocks) wrote in message . com... [snip] The TSA is going to be out of business very soon. The law that forces airports to use TSA services expires in 2004 (as I understand it) - then they can choose to continue to use the TSA, or go with private security. Unless the law is amended (which could happen, depends on circumstances), I believe that most airports will dump the TSA - there is no love lost there. [snip] The problem is liability. As long as TSA is there, you basically can't hold the airlines or the airport authorities liable for anything. It's why the airlines begged the gubberment to take it over in the first place. I have no doubt that many airport authorities would love to dump the TSA. However, unless they believe that they have protection from risk, I'm finding it hard to believe that they will dump them. What risk? To the airlines it is the responsibility of the airport -- usually a part of city government. As a part of city government the airport can't be sued without the permission of the city. It's possible that the regional airports might not share the immunity but most airports are city. FFM |
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