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On Thursday 08 January 2004 15:58, Brian wrote:

Stefan Patric wrote:


Not really. I grew up in North Carolina and as a child visited most
every Atlantic seaboard state south of New York, EXCEPT Delaware.
It's amazing how "off the beaten path" Delaware is.

I-95 looks pretty busy every time I'm on it. Other than that
however...

That's why the family on our travels north, when we traveled north,
which was infrequent, avoided the Northeast Corridor -- too much
traffic. We took more rural, scenic routes to where we wanted to go.
Delaware was just never one of those places we wanted to go.

I remember one time we went to NYC (Manhattan, specifically) via train,
and it didn't go through Delaware either.

Also, you never hear much about Delaware in the news. Don't see any
articles about the wonders of vacationing in Delaware, or the
advantages of living in Delaware, or any reports of runaway crime in
Delaware, or any political scandales in Delaware. Delaware must be one
of those places to live that the people, who live there, want to keep
secret.

I do know there are a lot of banks (A LOT!) in Wilmington, Delaware that
issue a LOT of "no qualifying" Mastercard and VISA cards with low
interest rates. I must receive about 3 or 4 solicitations every other
month inviting me to "sign up now!" for this "limited time offer."

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Stefan Patric
NoLife Polymath Group

In article v0CLb.55740$m83.40274@fed1read01, Stefan Patric wrote:

That's why the family on our travels north, when we traveled north,
which was infrequent, avoided the Northeast Corridor -- too much
traffic. We took more rural, scenic routes to where we wanted to go.
Delaware was just never one of those places we wanted to go.

That's too bad, because there are certainly routes through rural Delaware!
They are, of course, slower than using I-95, but *much* more scenic. I used
to enjoy driving on the back roads to get home (in Delaware at the time) if
I wasn't pressed for time. I say 'used to' only because I haven't lived in
Delaware in a little over a decade now but I still return to visit friends.

I remember one time we went to NYC (Manhattan, specifically) via train,
and it didn't go through Delaware either.

Not sure how that's possible since the rails runs through Delaware although
it may not have stopped at either Newark (near the Chrysler plant) or at
the Wilmington (downtown) station for the route you took. Most train runs
stops at least the Wilmington station.

The national operations center for Amtrak is located at (and adjacent to)
the Wilmington station! They've got the train simulators there where they
train new Acela engineers, for instance. (Not open to the public, alas.)

Also, you never hear much about Delaware in the news. Don't see any

That's all right, really!

articles about the wonders of vacationing in Delaware, or the

Lots of people hits the Delaware beaches from Delaware, NJ, Maryland, DC,
and Virginia, during the summer... Rehoboth, Bethany, Dewey beaches and the
one at Cape Henlopen... all within about 10 mins drive on the southeastern
tip. Beach and local traffic is awful in the summer but they're still
working to improve that.

advantages of living in Delaware, or any reports of runaway crime in

Well, there's the occasional shooting, robbery, drug arrests, assaults.
Probably at about the national average for these crimes.

Delaware is a fairly representative slice of various markets which is why
McDonalds Corp. uses about 11 McDonald's in Delaware to test-market various
offerings. (One on Concord Pike/Rt 202, one on Kirkwood Highway/Rt 2, one
near Rt 13... but don't recall which were the other test spots)

Delaware, or any political scandales in Delaware. Delaware must be one
of those places to live that the people, who live there, want to keep
secret.

Correct. It's not really to "keep people away", but more that it's a
really nice and varied place to live in... a place where it's not so big
that you can't get anywhere quickly, where you can't get to know people
(neighbors, co-workers, town/county/state government officials, etc).

I don't think residents really mind that it's not well known outside the
region. Call it an hidden gem or treasure if you want.

Property is pretty affordable there, and there's a wide variety of
scenes... inner city, rural, suburban... colleges and universities,
technical schools... a single newspaper for the whole state (all of three
counties), most of the population concentrated in the northern third of the
state (New Castle County). Got ethnic restaurants, farms (most are in Kent
and Sussex County, but some in western part of New Castle Co. in the less
developed areas). It's really got everything and represents a microcosm of
life and settings.

Don't really feel stressed out when living and working in Delaware, either.

The state is small enough that you can drive from the northern border by PA
to the southern border by MD in a little over an hour mostly on the new
Delaware Route 1. You can get anywhere in New Castle Co. in 10 to 30 mins,
even during rush hour.

I do know there are a lot of banks (A LOT!) in Wilmington, Delaware that
issue a LOT of "no qualifying" Mastercard and VISA cards with low
interest rates. I must receive about 3 or 4 solicitations every other
month inviting me to "sign up now!" for this "limited time offer."

Yep, a state law passed in 1985 made it a much more business friendly
environment for banks to have operations or headquarters in Delaware,
coupled with a very pro-business stance and one of the best Chancery courts
in the nation... lots of banks moved in to take advantage of that. Chase
Manhattan, MBNA, First Union, etc.

-Dan

I remember one time we went to NYC (Manhattan, specifically) via train,
and it didn't go through Delaware either.

Not sure how that's possible since the rails runs through Delaware
although
it may not have stopped at either Newark (near the Chrysler plant) or at
the Wilmington (downtown) station for the route you took. Most train runs
stops at least the Wilmington station.

I got on an AmTrak train going to NYC in Wilmington.

"alohacyberian" wrote:


Maybe most of the traffic consists of people from Delaware! KM

Delaware doesn't have that many people. G

In article , Dan Foster wrote:
In article v0CLb.55740$m83.40274@fed1read01, Stefan Patric wrote:

I remember one time we went to NYC (Manhattan, specifically) via train,
and it didn't go through Delaware either.

Not sure how that's possible since the rails runs through Delaware although

Ahh, come to think of it... you may have taken something like Ohio to
western PA to southern tier NY to Manhattan? (Something like the Empire
Builder route) I was thinking of a NorthEast Corridor (NEC) route but had
forgotten about the slow/long routes not on the NEC. Yeah, I've done that
type of train route before.

-Dan

In article , Dan Foster wrote:
In article , Dan Foster wrote:

Ahh, come to think of it... you may have taken something like Ohio to
western PA to southern tier NY to Manhattan? (Something like the Empire
Builder route)

Empire State. Ugh. Mind's not quite on rail matters these days

-Dan

In article v0CLb.55740$m83.40274@fed1read01,
Stefan Patric wrote:

On Thursday 08 January 2004 15:58, Brian wrote:

Stefan Patric wrote:


Not really. I grew up in North Carolina and as a child visited most
every Atlantic seaboard state south of New York, EXCEPT Delaware.
It's amazing how "off the beaten path" Delaware is.

I-95 looks pretty busy every time I'm on it. Other than that
however...

That's why the family on our travels north, when we traveled north,
which was infrequent, avoided the Northeast Corridor -- too much
traffic. We took more rural, scenic routes to where we wanted to go.
Delaware was just never one of those places we wanted to go.

Delaware is a very small state so there isn't a lot of things that
happen there that are worth nationwide news coverage. I live in New
Jersey near Delaware.

Traffic along I95 isn't a big deal between Delaware through New York
State as long as you avoid driving during rush hour periods. I have
driving up to New England many times along I95 and not ran into any
onerous traffic conditions for the simple fact that I plan my trip
so that I avoid the rush hour traffic.

As for Delaware, it has some nice beach communities that are wonderful
places to vacation in the Spring, Summer, and Fall. Dewey and Rehoboth
Beaches offer a lot to vacationers who want an inexpensive stay in
a beach community. Delaware also have tax free shopping and some
good outlet malls near Rehoboth Beach.

Many banks are incorporated in Delaware for a simple reason. Delaware's
banking laws are extremely friendly to the banks. In fact, lots of
companies incorporate in Delaware due to DE's business friendly laws.

In article ,
Dan Foster wrote:

That's too bad, because there are certainly routes through rural Delaware!

On one trip from South Carolina to the New York area a few years ago, we
drove across the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel near Norfolk, then up the
Virginla and Maryland "eastern shore" into Delaware, then took the ferry
across to Cape May NJ. Then we zigzagged across New Jersey on back roads,
hitting the Turnpike at Hightstown, I think, for the final run into NYC.
Definitely slower than taking I-95 and the Turnpike all the way, but more
relaxing.

--
Jon Bell Presbyterian College
Dept. of Physics and Computer Science Clinton, South Carolina USA

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"alohacyberian" wrote:
Maybe most of the traffic consists of people from Delaware! KM

Delaware doesn't have that many people. G

But, could most of them stay in their cars a lot? :-) KM
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On Friday 09 January 2004 10:27, Dan Foster wrote:

In article v0CLb.55740$m83.40274@fed1read01, Stefan Patric
wrote:

That's why the family on our travels north, when we traveled north,
which was infrequent, avoided the Northeast Corridor -- too much
traffic. We took more rural, scenic routes to where we wanted to go.
Delaware was just never one of those places we wanted to go.

That's too bad, because there are certainly routes through rural
Delaware! They are, of course, slower than using I-95, but *much* more
scenic. I used to enjoy driving on the back roads to get home (in
Delaware at the time) if I wasn't pressed for time. I say 'used to'
only because I haven't lived in Delaware in a little over a decade now
but I still return to visit friends.

I'm sure there are quite scenic areas and less traveled roads in
Delaware. It's just that Delaware was never a destination or on the
way to a destination to warrant going there.


I remember one time we went to NYC (Manhattan, specifically) via
train, and it didn't go through Delaware either.

Not sure how that's possible since the rails runs through Delaware
although it may not have stopped at either Newark (near the Chrysler
plant) or at the Wilmington (downtown) station for the route you took.
Most train runs stops at least the Wilmington station.

I could be wrong. It was a long, long time ago and the entire trip was
at night. Arrived in NYC in the morning. I think we stopped in
Baltimore for a time to switch to electric locomotives and add cars.

The national operations center for Amtrak is located at (and adjacent
to) the Wilmington station! They've got the train simulators there
where they train new Acela engineers, for instance. (Not open to the
public, alas.)

This was a long, long time ago. Late-50s. Amtrak didn't exist.

Also, you never hear much about Delaware in the news. Don't see any

That's all right, really!

articles about the wonders of vacationing in Delaware, or the

Lots of people hits the Delaware beaches from Delaware, NJ, Maryland,
DC, and Virginia, during the summer... Rehoboth, Bethany, Dewey
beaches and the one at Cape Henlopen... all within about 10 mins drive
on the southeastern tip. Beach and local traffic is awful in the
summer but they're still working to improve that.

The family usually went to South Carolina in the summer. Ocean Drive
Beach to be specific. Quaint, quiet little beach town: a pier, one
movie theater, drug store, no grocery store. A relative owned a couple
of cottages there, that he rented out.

advantages of living in Delaware, or any reports of runaway crime in

Well, there's the occasional shooting, robbery, drug arrests,
assaults. Probably at about the national average for these crimes.

Less than the national average, I'll bet.

Delaware is a fairly representative slice of various markets which is
why McDonalds Corp. uses about 11 McDonald's in Delaware to
test-market various offerings. (One on Concord Pike/Rt 202, one on
Kirkwood Highway/Rt 2, one near Rt 13... but don't recall which were
the other test spots)

Probably has very liberal corporate laws, too.

Delaware, or any political scandales in Delaware. Delaware must be
one of those places to live that the people, who live there, want to
keep secret.

Correct. It's not really to "keep people away", but more that it's
a really nice and varied place to live in... a place where it's not so
big that you can't get anywhere quickly, where you can't get to know
people (neighbors, co-workers, town/county/state government officials,
etc).

I don't think residents really mind that it's not well known outside
the region. Call it an hidden gem or treasure if you want.

My point, exactly: You don't want to spoil it with a steady influx of
too many people.

Property is pretty affordable there, and there's a wide variety of
scenes... inner city, rural, suburban... colleges and universities,
technical schools... a single newspaper for the whole state (all of
three counties), most of the population concentrated in the northern
third of the state (New Castle County). Got ethnic restaurants, farms
(most are in Kent and Sussex County, but some in western part of New
Castle Co. in the less developed areas). It's really got everything
and represents a microcosm of life and settings.

Low taxes make for affordability. Probably don't have a very extensive
welfare system either. People work for a living; don't live off the
sweat of other peoples' brow. Probably a lot like New Hampshire.

Don't really feel stressed out when living and working in Delaware,
either.

Since the cost of living is low and the quality of living high...?

The state is small enough that you can drive from the northern border
by PA to the southern border by MD in a little over an hour mostly on
the new Delaware Route 1. You can get anywhere in New Castle Co. in 10
to 30 mins, even during rush hour.

I do know there are a lot of banks (A LOT!) in Wilmington, Delaware
that issue a LOT of "no qualifying" Mastercard and VISA cards with
low
interest rates. I must receive about 3 or 4 solicitations every
other month inviting me to "sign up now!" for this "limited time
offer."

Yep, a state law passed in 1985 made it a much more business friendly
environment for banks to have operations or headquarters in Delaware,
coupled with a very pro-business stance and one of the best Chancery
courts in the nation... lots of banks moved in to take advantage of
that. Chase Manhattan, MBNA, First Union, etc.

Figured it was something like that. A "good" government makes laws that
promote the formation of new business -- large or small, not resrict
it.

Delaware. Sounds like a nice place. Will have to visit there, again.

--
Stefan Patric
NoLife Polymath Group