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"Markku Grönroos" wrote in message i... "William Black" kirjoitti .. . More over, both tools support databases which locate everything a tourist wants to see and experience. And a lot which is not of common interest. Those maps are scarce which generate approriate routes between any given points and provide guidance at every turning point. However, GPS navigation is still a great help in India. And how do you utilise Google Maps when travelling in India? The place isn't exactly brimming with free WiFi and although Tata does have CDMA mobile computing you can't get it unless you're a resident. Well, I guess there are "internet cafes" here and there in India. One can also do some homework prior to a visit to India. That isn't actually what GPS is for. And as I said, the street names on Google Maps in India are often wrong Plus the driver looking at your laptop when he's driving is a really great way to die if you're in India Car navigation can be a problem. However, few tourists drive a car in India (no comprehensive set of insurance policies are available for foreign leisure motorists in India). Still, for an ordinary tourists GPS navigation can be a great help when utilized properly. No it can't, no maps... -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. |
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"William Black" wrote in message ... Car navigation can be a problem. However, few tourists drive a car in India (no comprehensive set of insurance policies are available for foreign leisure motorists in India). Still, for an ordinary tourists GPS navigation can be a great help when utilized properly. No it can't, no maps... Sure it can - that's part of the "utilized properly" qualifier. I carry a GPS with me everywhere I go (any one of several, but most often a Garmin GPSMap 76). Simply having the locations of various destinations (hotels, markets, tourist sites, etc.) programmed into the thing is a good thing. Knowing at least distance and direction to your destination IS a great help even if you don't have an accurate or detailed map of the area. And you generally can get location information through a search of the web coupled with use of Google Earth. I was able to get to a destination in China once (and in time for a business appointment!) even though my taxi driver was obviously hopelessly lost, simply by showing him the simple "distance and bearing" display on the GPS. The notion of a compass, and a display showing "distance to" in km, generally transcends the language barrier. Bob M. |
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"Srki" wrote in message ... William Black wrote: You can get a map showing the roads between the cities, but the city maps are invariably useless. That's basicly what I need because I want to stay there for a month or maybe longer , not in the same city and i need some kind of map just to plan a train rides, romaning city to city it's good to know city names, atleast for booking a train ticket. OK, when you turn up there'll be kids selling maps of India that are about 30 by 18 inches in a tube. They've got most of the roads and all of the major town and cities on them and will cost you about 150/- You may even be able to get one on Amazon, the map data is from the Indian government and is pretty accurate. The 'Lonely Planet Indian and Bangladesh Travel Atlas' is the same map for about three times the price... -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. |
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"Markku Grönroos" wrote in message i... "Srki" kirjoitti ... Srki wrote: I am looking for sam booklet map of india so it can be used page by page, any recomendations? It's also good if it has samo tourist place briefings but not necessery. any amazon recomendations? Thanx S. It's lika an afternoon gossip when i just wanted a sugestion. How do i use google earth in india anyway, looking for a cyber bar every time i need it. Some camera, objectives and a laptop i enough, i just wanted some paper format map for a rough guide. What about printing google maps after proper scaling and panning?....... So you're mad then... I was wondering... -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. |
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"William Black" kirjoitti .. . "Markku Grönroos" wrote in message i... "William Black" kirjoitti .. . More over, both tools support databases which locate everything a tourist wants to see and experience. And a lot which is not of common interest. Those maps are scarce which generate approriate routes between any given points and provide guidance at every turning point. However, GPS navigation is still a great help in India. And how do you utilise Google Maps when travelling in India? The place isn't exactly brimming with free WiFi and although Tata does have CDMA mobile computing you can't get it unless you're a resident. Well, I guess there are "internet cafes" here and there in India. One can also do some homework prior to a visit to India. That isn't actually what GPS is for. And why not? I am puzzled. And as I said, the street names on Google Maps in India are often wrong Street names aren't everything. You put too much weight on proper (any) spelling of street names. Most often it is very helpful to know the location of a desired destination (saved in the plotter) relative to your location at any given time (that's what the plotters are there for in the first place). Then you just follow the arrow.... For instance in last summer I navigated in Istanbul, Antalya, the UAE, Cairo, Luxor, Aswan and so worth. My plotter was a great help even if no streetwise maps were available (well, about the UAE there is but I have not a copy). Plus the driver looking at your laptop when he's driving is a really great way to die if you're in India Car navigation can be a problem. However, few tourists drive a car in India (no comprehensive set of insurance policies are available for foreign leisure motorists in India). Still, for an ordinary tourists GPS navigation can be a great help when utilized properly. No it can't, no maps... A few examples about GPS navigation in India: A tourist, Fjodor by name, was given a GPS plotter as a Christmas present by his father Yevgeni and mother Tatjana. He has no detailed maps installed during his first trip to the city of Jaipur, India but only the most sketchy "World Map". Prior to the journey, he makes a few decisions for notations. First he decides to use a "universal" datum of WGS 84 because his gadget supports it as well as most of the external projections (google tools for instance) he may transfer to his plotter. Second he decides to use decimal vectors to define a point on a map very much for the same reason he did the first decision. He further decides for the notation of a point that the first scalar describes a latitude and the latter scalar a longitude. Furthermore, positive latitudes project a point in the northern hemisphere while the negative figures do the trick for any point in the southern hemisphere. Similarly positive values are set for points east from the zero longitude whereas negative values are reserved for longitudes west from the zero longitude. So, the exit point from the Sanganer airport terminal building is roughly at (26.82166, 75.80275). There are supposedly several exit points, so Fjodor arbitrarily picked a point pretty close to one of them. He also decides that mantissa of five (5) digits will suffice for appropriate accuracy. Less significant portions will be truncated. In the case a point is not too accurately defined and the true mantissa is shorter than five digits then the mantissa will be forced to the length of five digits by padding it by less significant zeros (actually they aren't significant at all, so the process shouldn't be confused with rounding). This point of the airport location hardly is important but because Fjodor has an entry for the fixed POIs as "airport" he gives it a value as above. He takes a taxi to his hotel. Hotel Rambagh Palace on Bhawani Singh Road (spelling has been good this far?) at (26.89596, 75.80838) which is a taxi stand for visitors (or so I let you believe). Fjodor saves this point when he gets out from the cab. This is an important address when coming back to bed after a few beers in town. He did save the locations of those watering holes to visit them next day and the day after that and..... Naturally Fjodor is after denkmäler more than anything else. He knows that there is Amber Palace. He has saved the location (pointing at one of the ticket booths): (26.92327, 75.80315). City Palace Museum at (26.92564, 75.82413). .. .. .. Positions of any interest in town can be saved in this way. Fjodor found places. He didn't find the cow manure on the street too attractive though. He further decides that whenever the screen of his plotter is panning, the track is up. Just a habit. He could choose otherwise (the north is up, for instance as projected in most of the "conventional maps"). Now then, there is a straight line drawn between Fjodor's whereabouts and the destination at all times (no detailed maps for orientation, darn!). When the declination is zero (0) (the straight line is pointing right on middle of the top, Fjodor is approaching the destination on the shortest path). When the relative declination is 90 degrees, Fjodor turns to the right at next corner. When the declination 270 degrees, Fjodor turns to the left at next corner. When the declination is 180 degrees, Fjodor knows that it is time to turn around (this happens seldom though). Not all city grids are regularly rectangle but that typically doesn't complicate things much. Fjodor is a smart kid. He can profit a lot having a GPS plotter in India. His parents are smart too. That's why they gave as a present what they gave. |
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"Markku Grönroos" wrote in message i... "William Black" kirjoitti .. . "Markku Grönroos" wrote in message i... "William Black" kirjoitti .. . More over, both tools support databases which locate everything a tourist wants to see and experience. And a lot which is not of common interest. Those maps are scarce which generate approriate routes between any given points and provide guidance at every turning point. However, GPS navigation is still a great help in India. And how do you utilise Google Maps when travelling in India? The place isn't exactly brimming with free WiFi and although Tata does have CDMA mobile computing you can't get it unless you're a resident. Well, I guess there are "internet cafes" here and there in India. One can also do some homework prior to a visit to India. That isn't actually what GPS is for. And why not? I am puzzled. And as I said, the street names on Google Maps in India are often wrong Street names aren't everything. You put too much weight on proper (any) spelling of street names. Most often it is very helpful to know the location of a desired destination (saved in the plotter) relative to your location at any given time (that's what the plotters are there for in the first place). Then you just follow the arrow.... For instance in last summer I navigated in Istanbul, Antalya, the UAE, Cairo, Luxor, Aswan and so worth. My plotter was a great help even if no streetwise maps were available (well, about the UAE there is but I have not a copy). Plus the driver looking at your laptop when he's driving is a really great way to die if you're in India Car navigation can be a problem. However, few tourists drive a car in India (no comprehensive set of insurance policies are available for foreign leisure motorists in India). Still, for an ordinary tourists GPS navigation can be a great help when utilized properly. No it can't, no maps... A few examples about GPS navigation in India: A tourist, Fjodor by name, was given a GPS plotter as a Christmas present by his father Yevgeni and mother Tatjana. He has no detailed maps installed during his first trip to the city of Jaipur, India but only the most sketchy "World Map". Prior to the journey, he makes a few decisions for notations. First he decides to use a "universal" datum of WGS 84 because his gadget supports it as well as most of the external projections (google tools for instance) he may transfer to his plotter. Second he decides to use decimal vectors to define a point on a map very much for the same reason he did the first decision. He further decides for the notation of a point that the first scalar describes a latitude and the latter scalar a longitude. Furthermore, positive latitudes project a point in the northern hemisphere while the negative figures do the trick for any point in the southern hemisphere. Similarly positive values are set for points east from the zero longitude whereas negative values are reserved for longitudes west from the zero longitude. So, the exit point from the Sanganer airport terminal building is roughly at (26.82166, 75.80275). There are supposedly several exit points, so Fjodor arbitrarily picked a point pretty close to one of them. He also decides that mantissa of five (5) digits will suffice for appropriate accuracy. Less significant portions will be truncated. In the case a point is not too accurately defined and the true mantissa is shorter than five digits then the mantissa will be forced to the length of five digits by padding it by less significant zeros (actually they aren't significant at all, so the process shouldn't be confused with rounding). This point of the airport location hardly is important but because Fjodor has an entry for the fixed POIs as "airport" he gives it a value as above. He takes a taxi to his hotel. Hotel Rambagh Palace on Bhawani Singh Road (spelling has been good this far?) at (26.89596, 75.80838) which is a taxi stand for visitors (or so I let you believe). Fjodor saves this point when he gets out from the cab. This is an important address when coming back to bed after a few beers in town. He did save the locations of those watering holes to visit them next day and the day after that and..... Naturally Fjodor is after denkmäler more than anything else. He knows that there is Amber Palace. He has saved the location (pointing at one of the ticket booths): (26.92327, 75.80315). City Palace Museum at (26.92564, 75.82413). . . . Positions of any interest in town can be saved in this way. Fjodor found places. He didn't find the cow manure on the street too attractive though. He further decides that whenever the screen of his plotter is panning, the track is up. Just a habit. He could choose otherwise (the north is up, for instance as projected in most of the "conventional maps"). Now then, there is a straight line drawn between Fjodor's whereabouts and the destination at all times (no detailed maps for orientation, darn!). When the declination is zero (0) (the straight line is pointing right on middle of the top, Fjodor is approaching the destination on the shortest path). When the relative declination is 90 degrees, Fjodor turns to the right at next corner. When the declination 270 degrees, Fjodor turns to the left at next corner. When the declination is 180 degrees, Fjodor knows that it is time to turn around (this happens seldom though). Not all city grids are regularly rectangle but that typically doesn't complicate things much. Fjodor is a smart kid. He can profit a lot having a GPS plotter in India. His parents are smart too. That's why they gave as a present what they gave. I have news. I don't want to have to take a course in using a GPS tracking system on some proprietary piece of hardware. I want a box that shows a map. You know, like the taxi drivers have... That's all. -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. |
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"William Black" kirjoitti .. . I have news. I don't want to have to take a course in using a GPS tracking system on some proprietary piece of hardware. I want a box that shows a map. You know, like the taxi drivers have... That's all. I proved that GPS is beneficial a tool in India. My representation was fine. I am disappointed that you mostly ignored it. |
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"Markku Grönroos" wrote in message i... "William Black" kirjoitti .. . I have news. I don't want to have to take a course in using a GPS tracking system on some proprietary piece of hardware. I want a box that shows a map. You know, like the taxi drivers have... That's all. I proved that GPS is beneficial a tool in India. My representation was fine. I am disappointed that you mostly ignored it. I'm ignoring it because it's bonkers. -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. |
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"William Black" wrote in message ... "Markku Grönroos" wrote in message i... "Srki" kirjoitti ... Srki wrote: I am looking for sam booklet map of india so it can be used page by page, any recomendations? It's also good if it has samo tourist place briefings but not necessery. any amazon recomendations? Thanx S. It's lika an afternoon gossip when i just wanted a sugestion. How do i use google earth in india anyway, looking for a cyber bar every time i need it. Some camera, objectives and a laptop i enough, i just wanted some paper format map for a rough guide. What about printing google maps after proper scaling and panning?....... So you're mad then... I was wondering... Anyways ... Eicher publishes a perfectly good national road map of India, regional road maps, and also do street directories of the five major cities. Widely available in bookstores. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore |
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"William Black" kirjoitti .. . "Markku Grönroos" wrote in message i... "William Black" kirjoitti .. . I have news. I don't want to have to take a course in using a GPS tracking system on some proprietary piece of hardware. I want a box that shows a map. You know, like the taxi drivers have... That's all. I proved that GPS is beneficial a tool in India. My representation was fine. I am disappointed that you mostly ignored it. I'm ignoring it because it's bonkers. You are projecting your own faults rather than my representation. Which is if not excellent, very good anyways. It is generic. It works with all general purpose plotters in market. The explanation may be a bit lengthy but not unnecessarily so. The main points: 1. All plotters draw images (a very beneficial property) 2. All plotters tell on the screen their precise location This makes them GPS devices....... 3. In all plotters positions of targets can be saved 4. You can always adjust the device to show the declination between the direction you are advancing and the target I demonstrated in the earlier text (which is most sane indeed) a device which tells the direction (and effectively distance) to any destination. Because directions are relative to a destination rather than some universal object - shall we say the North - they are very easy to read on the maps which don't support routing. When the direction is 90 degrees ("east", east is east only when you are going to north) in clockwise unless one wants to introduce negative directions which means that the destination is where the straight line points to - on your right. Similarly when the straight line (between you and the destination) points to left it means - yes, the destination is right there. Whenever the declination is whether less than 90 degrees or more than 270 degrees, you are approaching the target. Otherwise you drawing away. |
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