Too bad for Easyjet and Ryanair

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" skrev i meddelandet
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Pete wrote:

Easyjet and Ryanair were recently attempting to entirely eliminate free
checked baggage on their planes. Now all of their planes leaving the
UK will have nothing but checked baggage. Too bad, so sad.

And that means it must by definition be "free"? Just because it's
compulsor to check it means that they cannot charge for checking it? How
do you arrive at that conclusion?
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You're perfectly right.
Ryanair doesn't provide anything for free so this is another opportunity for
them to make money.

On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:56:14 GMT, "Lennart Petersen"
wrote:


"nobody" skrev i meddelandet
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It will be interesting to see what happens to the channel train
services. (Eurotunnel recently entered bankrupcy protection). I think
that the uglieness in air travel will push more people to drive across
the pond or just take the train.
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Eurostar isn't bankrupt and is doing a good profit already.

When has Eurostar posted a profit of any sort, let alone a good one?

Jim.

On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:25:43 +0100, Arwel Parry
wrote:

In message , nobody
writes
It will be interesting to see what happens to the channel train
services. (Eurotunnel recently entered bankrupcy protection). I think
that the uglieness in air travel will push more people to drive across
the pond or just take the train.

Note that *Eurotunnel* is the tunnel operator and if they go broke it
just means that the British and French governments get the tunnel back
earlier than 2042 and a lot of banks have a bit of a problem. The
passenger train operator is *Eurostar*.

Yesterday a plane passenger was transferring to Eurostar every 10
seconds, according to one of the newspaper sites I read today.

The train I saw arriving into waterloo the same time as me yesterday
afternoon was near empty, I looked specifically.

Jim.

Arwel Parry wrote:

Yesterday a plane passenger was transferring to Eurostar every 10
seconds, according to one of the newspaper sites I read today.

Some media sites claimed Eurostar was taking extra reservations at the rate
of 10 a minute, or one every six seconds. They anticipated taking 6,000
extra passengers on Friday, on top of their normal load of about 28,000
passengers. In total, they have taken 35,000 extra reservations so far.

http://www.eurostar.com/UK/uk/leisur...ns_answers.jsp

Eurostar points out in their news releases that they still allow passengers
to carry laptops and cell phones, and use them throughout the trip, plus
they are allowed to carry their baggage on board, and are not forced to
check it.

(Jim Ley) wrote:

Arwel Parry wrote:

Yesterday a plane passenger was transferring to Eurostar every 10
seconds, according to one of the newspaper sites I read today.

The train I saw arriving into waterloo the same time as me yesterday
afternoon was near empty, I looked specifically.

They claim to have sold out on Friday, and are almost full Saturday.

In looking at their reservation site, there appears to be space on every
train on Saturday, Sunday, and Monday.

Arwel Parry wrote:
Note that *Eurotunnel* is the tunnel operator and if they go broke it
just means that the British and French governments get the tunnel back
earlier than 2042 and a lot of banks have a bit of a problem. The
passenger train operator is *Eurostar*.

However, the LeShuttle service for cars and trucks is operated by
Eurotunnel. Yes, it is under the US equivalent of bankrupcy protection
so it operates normally, but there havbe been cuts in previous months
/years due to cost cutting measures.

The big question is whether Eurotunnel will raise its rates or whether
the paper pushing will affect only the debt management aspects. (or
both). If rates are raised, it may make the train less competitive.

James Robinson wrote:
In looking at their reservation site, there appears to be space on every
train on Saturday, Sunday, and Monday.

Are their trains of flexible consists (eg: can they add cars to the
trains) ? If so, it could be the result of them adding capacity. (or
runnning additional trains).

"Lennart Petersen" wrote in message
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"nobody" skrev i meddelandet
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Lennart Petersen wrote:

"nobody" skrev i meddelandet
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It will be interesting to see what happens to the channel train
services. (Eurotunnel recently entered bankrupcy protection). I think
that the uglieness in air travel will push more people to drive across
the pond or just take the train.
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Eurostar isn't bankrupt and is doing a good profit already.

I said EUROTUNNEL was bankrupt. Eurostar is making a profit because it
is just a customer of EUROTUNNEL and doesn't have to pay back the huge
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So what ?? Eurostar is making profit and will continue in business. No
problem for the travellers.
The future for the tunnel company itself isn't of particular interest for
anyone except the shareholders and the banks providing loan.
The tunnel itself will of course remain as it is.
If eurotunnel folds there will be no more tunnel. It has to be maintained,
staffed etc.

"Mike" wrote:

If eurotunnel folds there will be no more tunnel. It has to be
maintained, staffed etc.

No, they earn enough to pay the operating cost, plus they have been paying
the interest on the debt. The problem has been that they have not been
paying back the capital. A major payment is now coming due.

The result of the bankrupcy will be that the original owners (shareholders)
will lose their investment, and the ownership of the tunnel will shift to
the banks. After that, it will be business as usual.

nobody wrote:

James Robinson wrote:
In looking at their reservation site, there appears to be space on every
train on Saturday, Sunday, and Monday.

Are their trains of flexible consists (eg: can they add cars to the
trains) ? If so, it could be the result of them adding capacity. (or
runnning additional trains).

The trains are fixed consists. They can double them up, if they need to.