London Underground unfit for transporting cattle

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By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 4:56 PM on 24th August 2009

A map which reveals the hottest spots on London's underground system
has been revealed to commuters.

The map of zones 1 and 2 shows temperatures over above 35C have been
recorded in some areas - making the trains officially unfit for
transporting cattle.

The Central line had some of the worst spots, while the Bakerloo line
also felt the heat when the map was compiled.
Bakerloo line train with hot commuters in the summer

Baking: Passengers attempt to stay cool on a hot train. The new map
recorded temperatures above 35C at some stations

Stations which recorded high temperatures included tourist
destinations Oxford Circus, Paddington and St Paul's.

Transport for London says the map is used by its engineers who are
responsible for keeping London Underground bearable for commuters -
the so-called Cooling the Tube team.

London Mayor Boris Johnson has announced that the first air-
conditioned trains are expected to run next summer.

By 2015, the trainswill be running on the District, Circle,
Metropolitan and Hammersmith and City lines.

But they won't be expanded to the entire network because the air
conditioning units are situated in train roofs and they do not fit in
the smaller tunnels of the deeper-level network, including the
Northern line.
underground heat map


Efforts to improve the situation of the deeper lines have so far been
limited to expanding ventilation shafts and installing industrial
fans.

A TfL spokeswoman said that the London network was at a disadvantage
because there was 'no concept of air-conditioning' when construction
began in 1860.

'Our team is working hard to find a solution,' she said.

On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:35:09 -0700 (PDT), "H.E. President Alhaji Dr.
Yahya A.J.J. Jammeh" wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ng-cattle.html

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 4:56 PM on 24th August 2009

A map which reveals the hottest spots on London's underground system
has been revealed to commuters.

The idea was that the piston effect would expel the heated air. But
over the years body heat has accumulated making them very unpleasant.

As a boy in the 1950s I used to explore London on my father's
privilege tickets so I grew up riding the tubes. Heck, I still think
of the line between Baker Street and Stanmore as the Bakerloo not the
Jubilee.

But it is now more than ten years since I last used them on a vacation
back home. Since my folks retired to Eastbourne from Harrow I flew
into Gatwick instead of Heathrow and rarely went into London.

On Aug 24, 7:35*pm, "H.E. President Alhaji Dr. Yahya A.J.J. Jammeh"
wrote:

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By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 4:56 PM on 24th August 2009

A map which reveals the hottest spots on London's underground system
has been revealed to commuters.

The map of zones 1 and 2 shows temperatures over above 35C have been
recorded in some areas - making the trains officially unfit for
transporting cattle.

The Central line had some of the worst spots, while the Bakerloo line
also felt the heat when the map was compiled.
Bakerloo line train with hot commuters in the summer

Baking: Passengers attempt to stay cool on a hot train. The new map
recorded temperatures above 35C at some stations

Stations which recorded high temperatures included tourist
destinations Oxford Circus, Paddington and St Paul's.

Transport for London says the map is used by its engineers who are
responsible for keeping London Underground bearable for commuters -
the so-called Cooling the Tube team.

London Mayor Boris Johnson has announced that the first air-
conditioned trains are expected to run next summer.

By 2015, the trainswill be running on the District, Circle,
Metropolitan and Hammersmith and City lines.

But they won't be expanded to the entire network because the air
conditioning units are situated in train roofs and they do not fit in
the smaller tunnels of the deeper-level network, including the
Northern line.
underground heat map

Efforts to improve the situation of the deeper lines have so far been
limited to expanding ventilation shafts and installing industrial
fans.

A TfL spokeswoman said that the London network was at a disadvantage
because there was 'no concept of air-conditioning' when construction
began in 1860.

'Our team is working hard to find a solution,' she said.

Two points.

(1) There's a somewhat less histrionic discussion about this on
uk.transport.london in the thread entitled "New Tube hotspots map".

(2) The BBC news story says the maximum temperature recorded on the
hottest day last summer (which is what the map is based on) was 32C,
not 35C - see:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8218059.stm

Additionally I heard a few comments from David Waboso, engineering
director of LU, on a BBC London radio news bulletin earlier today, in
which he also said that the hottest temperature recorded last summer
was 32C (i.e. this confirms the BBC News online story).

It does rather look as though the Daily Mail were so desperate to hang
the 'unfit for cattle' line on this story that they made this
'mistake' on purpose.

(Note that I'm not saying the temperature in parts of the Tube has
never reached 35C or more - but this story is about the map that TfL
released today.)

"Mizter T" wrote

(2) The BBC news story says the maximum temperature recorded on the
hottest day last summer (which is what the map is based on) was 32C,
not 35C - see:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8218059.stm

The video clip in that story makes it clear that air conditioning is not the
panacea for the deep tube lines - the real problem is getting the heat out
of the tunnels.

Peter

"H.E. President Alhaji Dr. Yahya A.J.J. Jammeh" a
écrit dans le message de
...
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By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 4:56 PM on 24th August 2009

A map which reveals the hottest spots on London's underground system
has been revealed to commuters.

The map of zones 1 and 2 shows temperatures over above 35C have been
recorded in some areas - making the trains officially unfit for
transporting cattle.

The Central line had some of the worst spots, while the Bakerloo line
also felt the heat when the map was compiled.
Bakerloo line train with hot commuters in the summer

Baking: Passengers attempt to stay cool on a hot train. The new map
recorded temperatures above 35C at some stations

Stations which recorded high temperatures included tourist
destinations Oxford Circus, Paddington and St Paul's.

Transport for London says the map is used by its engineers who are
responsible for keeping London Underground bearable for commuters -
the so-called Cooling the Tube team.

London Mayor Boris Johnson has announced that the first air-
conditioned trains are expected to run next summer.

By 2015, the trainswill be running on the District, Circle,
Metropolitan and Hammersmith and City lines.

But they won't be expanded to the entire network because the air
conditioning units are situated in train roofs and they do not fit in
the smaller tunnels of the deeper-level network, including the
Northern line.
underground heat map


Efforts to improve the situation of the deeper lines have so far been
limited to expanding ventilation shafts and installing industrial
fans.

A TfL spokeswoman said that the London network was at a disadvantage
because there was 'no concept of air-conditioning' when construction
began in 1860.

'Our team is working hard to find a solution,' she said.

"Peter Masson" wrote in message

"Mizter T" wrote

(2) The BBC news story says the maximum temperature recorded on the
hottest day last summer (which is what the map is based on) was 32C,
not 35C - see:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8218059.stm

The video clip in that story makes it clear that air conditioning is
not the panacea for the deep tube lines - the real problem is getting
the heat out of the tunnels.

Yes, this has been known for some years, and ventilation has already
been increased. But pumping chilled air into the deep stations hasn't,
as far as I'm aware, started yet.

"H.E. President Alhaji Dr. Yahya A.J.J. Jammeh"
wrote in message
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By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 4:56 PM on 24th August 2009

A map which reveals the hottest spots on London's underground system
has been revealed to commuters.

The map of zones 1 and 2 shows temperatures over above 35C have been
recorded in some areas - making the trains officially unfit for
transporting cattle.

The Central line had some of the worst spots, while the Bakerloo line
also felt the heat when the map was compiled.
Bakerloo line train with hot commuters in the summer

Baking: Passengers attempt to stay cool on a hot train. The new map
recorded temperatures above 35C at some stations

Stations which recorded high temperatures included tourist
destinations Oxford Circus, Paddington and St Paul's.

Transport for London says the map is used by its engineers who are
responsible for keeping London Underground bearable for commuters -
the so-called Cooling the Tube team.

London Mayor Boris Johnson has announced that the first air-
conditioned trains are expected to run next summer.

By 2015, the trainswill be running on the District, Circle,
Metropolitan and Hammersmith and City lines.

But they won't be expanded to the entire network because the air
conditioning units are situated in train roofs and they do not fit in
the smaller tunnels of the deeper-level network, including the
Northern line.
underground heat map


Efforts to improve the situation of the deeper lines have so far been
limited to expanding ventilation shafts and installing industrial
fans.

A TfL spokeswoman said that the London network was at a disadvantage
because there was 'no concept of air-conditioning' when construction
began in 1860.

'Our team is working hard to find a solution,' she said.

The solution on the Metropolitan is to switch the heating off. Its been
going full blast on some trains throughout August!

Why is there a desire to transport cattle by means of the London
Underground :-)

--
gordon

On Aug 24, 10:58*pm, " wrote:
Why is there a desire to transport cattle by means of the London
Underground :-)

--
gordon

They can't use the escalators so it's a non-starter. But since a
Freeman of the City is allowed to drive sheep through the Square Mile,
they are a more likely type of livestock for Tube travel. Hopefully
having been "fleeced" first.

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By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 4:56 PM on 24th August 2009

A map which reveals the hottest spots on London's underground system
has been revealed to commuters.


Does the rebuild of Tottenham Court Road station include improved
ventilation? It would be a sorely missed opportunity if they didn't do this.

I must say that Bank is one to avoid on hot days, walking over to
Westminster for the District line to Mile End is preferable to taking the
W&C.