Bush chaos: Americans should sue

On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 07:40:10 -0700, "khobar" wrote:
Actually it's you who don't get it. You apparently support the notion that
Bush is all powerful tyrant and that he has somehow changed democracy in the
US into something unrecognizable. The actual FACTS of the matter say the
country is running the way it's supposed to, with checks and balances being
employed when some deem necessary. By your own example you proved yourself
totally wrong.

Read the Bill of Rights lately? This administration has in the case
of Mr Padilla, violated the Sixth Amendment to the US Constitution:

"Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a
speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and
district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district
shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of
the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the
witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining
witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his
defence."

I wouldn't call held being 2 years, much of it incommunicado and
without access to counsel, "speedy and public" or with "Assistance of
Counsel for his defence."

The crime in this is that it in fact took over 2 years to get the
court ruling that just came out. For much of that time Mr. Padilla
did not even have access to a lawyer and no way to petition the court
to undo the administration's wrongdoing. And now they have the gall
to appeal? Sure, the process may allow it but have these people no
shame?

Now, how many other US CITIZENS are being held incommunicado? Guess
there is no way to know is there? Sometims families don't even know
what has happened to them. Sounds more and more like "the
disappeared" in Latin America.

On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 07:40:10 -0700, "khobar" wrote:
Actually it's you who don't get it. You apparently support the notion that
Bush is all powerful tyrant and that he has somehow changed democracy in the
US into something unrecognizable. The actual FACTS of the matter say the
country is running the way it's supposed to, with checks and balances being
employed when some deem necessary. By your own example you proved yourself
totally wrong.

Read the Bill of Rights lately? This administration has in the case
of Mr Padilla, violated the Sixth Amendment to the US Constitution:

"Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a
speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and
district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district
shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of
the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the
witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining
witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his
defence."

I wouldn't call held being 2 years, much of it incommunicado and
without access to counsel, "speedy and public" or with "Assistance of
Counsel for his defence."

The crime in this is that it in fact took over 2 years to get the
court ruling that just came out. For much of that time Mr. Padilla
did not even have access to a lawyer and no way to petition the court
to undo the administration's wrongdoing. And now they have the gall
to appeal? Sure, the process may allow it but have these people no
shame?

Now, how many other US CITIZENS are being held incommunicado? Guess
there is no way to know is there? Sometims families don't even know
what has happened to them. Sounds more and more like "the
disappeared" in Latin America.

Why are you apparently only concerned for US citizens rights
What about all the others of other nationalities being held in that hell
hole on cuba where is US giving them anymore or less rightsa.
Bush has corrupted the american system by not giving detainees basic rights
of a lawyer until the courts told him he had to etc
Shame on US citizens for being hoodwonked by this war criminal Bush they
have for an apology of a President.
The only one in the previous cabinet with an ounce of morals was Powell and
he has gone.
John

"Carole Allen" wrote in message
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On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 07:40:10 -0700, "khobar" wrote:
Actually it's you who don't get it. You apparently support the notion
that
Bush is all powerful tyrant and that he has somehow changed democracy in
the
US into something unrecognizable. The actual FACTS of the matter say the
country is running the way it's supposed to, with checks and balances
being
employed when some deem necessary. By your own example you proved
yourself
totally wrong.

Read the Bill of Rights lately? This administration has in the case
of Mr Padilla, violated the Sixth Amendment to the US Constitution:

"Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a
speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and
district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district
shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of
the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the
witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining
witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his
defence."

I wouldn't call held being 2 years, much of it incommunicado and
without access to counsel, "speedy and public" or with "Assistance of
Counsel for his defence."

The crime in this is that it in fact took over 2 years to get the
court ruling that just came out. For much of that time Mr. Padilla
did not even have access to a lawyer and no way to petition the court
to undo the administration's wrongdoing. And now they have the gall
to appeal? Sure, the process may allow it but have these people no
shame?

Now, how many other US CITIZENS are being held incommunicado? Guess
there is no way to know is there? Sometims families don't even know
what has happened to them. Sounds more and more like "the
disappeared" in Latin America.