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Old October 23rd, 2007, 11:13 AM posted to rec.arts.dance,rec.travel.usa-canada
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I am profoundly saddened by the tragedy underway in the SouthLand. I
hope none of our fellow dancers suffers ill consequence.

If the hillsides are not promptly planted, when Chac delivers his
rain, there will be more tragedy in the form of mudslides.

I hope for the best but fear . . .

Incidentally, the anniversary of the 1991 Oakland fire was October 20.

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Old October 23rd, 2007, 09:19 PM posted to rec.arts.dance,rec.travel.usa-canada
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:13:46 -0700, Icono Clast
wrote:

I am profoundly saddened by the tragedy underway in the SouthLand. I
hope none of our fellow dancers suffers ill consequence.


Now there's someone who doesn't understand about global Internet.
For those who live further away than Arizona, to a Californian
"Southland" means, roughly, the region of southern California
from about Santa Barbara south to Mexico.

If the hillsides are not promptly planted, when Chac delivers his
rain, there will be more tragedy in the form of mudslides.

I hope for the best but fear . . .

Incidentally, the anniversary of the 1991 Oakland fire was October 20.


My goodness. Has it been that long?

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Old October 24th, 2007, 12:43 PM posted to rec.arts.dance,rec.travel.usa-canada
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Hatunen wrote:
Icono Clast:
I am profoundly saddened by the tragedy underway in the SouthLand. I
hope none of our fellow dancers suffers ill consequence.


Now there's someone who doesn't understand about global Internet.


You know I know better, Dave. It was carelessness; a cross-post from
a Group where many of the participants, many of whom I know, are
endangered. 'Sides, I presume the story's getting world-wide coverage.

Lest we forget: "You're doing a fine job, Brownie."

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Old October 25th, 2007, 05:02 PM posted to rec.arts.dance,rec.travel.usa-canada
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"Icono Clast" wrote in message
.. .
Hatunen wrote:
Icono Clast:
I am profoundly saddened by the tragedy underway in the SouthLand. I
hope none of our fellow dancers suffers ill consequence.


Now there's someone who doesn't understand about global Internet.


You know I know better, Dave. It was carelessness; a cross-post from a
Group where many of the participants, many of whom I know, are endangered.
'Sides, I presume the story's getting world-wide coverage.


It is. But I had to stop and think what "the south" meant. My first thought
was "The United States". then I relaized you meant "California". Then a
little bit later I twigged to you live in SF and Dave filled in the blanks.
I'd always assume a global audience and be specific....

If I were you...

Which I'm not.

PS. I didn't understand "Chac" though.


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Old October 25th, 2007, 05:26 PM posted to rec.arts.dance,rec.travel.usa-canada
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Peter D scribed:

"Icono Clast" wrote in message
. ..
Hatunen wrote:
Icono Clast:
I am profoundly saddened by the tragedy underway in the SouthLand. I
hope none of our fellow dancers suffers ill consequence.

Now there's someone who doesn't understand about global Internet.


You know I know better, Dave. It was carelessness; a cross-post from a
Group where many of the participants, many of whom I know, are endangered.
'Sides, I presume the story's getting world-wide coverage.


It is. But I had to stop and think what "the south" meant. My first thought
was "The United States". then I relaized you meant "California". Then a
little bit later I twigged to you live in SF and Dave filled in the blanks.
I'd always assume a global audience and be specific....

If I were you...

Which I'm not.

PS. I didn't understand "Chac" though.

"Chac Mool" is the Mayan god of water. You've seen his likeness many times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chac_Mool
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Old October 26th, 2007, 12:34 PM posted to rec.arts.dance,rec.travel.usa-canada
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Peter D wrote:
Icono Clast:
I am profoundly saddened by the tragedy underway in the SouthLand.
. . . I presume the story's getting world-wide coverage.


It is. But I had to stop and think what "the south" meant.


Yup. I err'd. Happens.

Just learned that a beautiful home in which we've been guests is
gone. Fortunately for our hosts, they sold the Rancho Santa Fé
("highest income postal zone in the USA") place a few months ago in
order to occupy a newer home, in which we'll some day stay, in Del
Mar, a quarter-mile beyond the mandatory evacuation.


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Old October 27th, 2007, 12:00 PM posted to rec.arts.dance,rec.travel.usa-canada
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At the time of the Cedar Fire, I think, someone posted that the Idiot
in the White House had withdrawn expenditures to clear brush that
might have reduced the severity of that fire. I couldn't find the
post but I found some other stuff. The words might've been written a
few years ago but . . .

Here are some excerpts from relevant articles:

http://www.pe.com/breakingnews/local...nd16.ecbb.html

CALIFORNIA OFFICIALS SAY BUSH IGNORED FIRE DANGER
OCTOBER 31, 2003 -- SACRAMENTO, CA: Ousted California Gov. Gray
Davis and state legislators are accusing the Bush administration of
ignoring urgent pleas made months ago for emergency funding to clear
beetle-killed trees that experts warned could fuel a catastrophic
southern California fire. In April, Davis requested $430 million to
reduce fuels on 415,000 acres of forest, but the request for
emergency funds went unanswered until last week -- and then was denied.

"There was a reason the governor requested the declaration," said
Davis staffer Steve Maviglio. "And I'm sure there are a lot of
families without homes that are disappointed it wasn't approved."
The San Francisco Chronicle reported that Sen. Barbara Boxer
yesterday complained that President Bush had failed to act on the
state's request for help and that now Californians were suffering.
"We named three of the four counties that are up in smoke, and we
begged him to declare a disaster, we begged him," she said. "We saw
this coming a mile away."

FIRESTORMS IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
OCTOBER 30, 2003 -- LAKE ARROWHEAD, CA: Firefighters are struggling
to save emptied-out resort towns in the San Bernardino Mountains,
with 200-foot walls of fire washing over stands of drought-ravaged
bug-killed trees, stoked by Santa Ana winds from the desert to the east.

10:36 PM PDT on Saturday, May 15, 2004
By CLAIRE VITUCCI / Washington Bureau
.. . . At a congressional hearing in Washington last week, Bruce
Turbeville, chairman of the California Fire Safe Council, complained
that local communities had submitted 393 requests for grants worth
$49 million to clear brush, but received only $7 million . . . John
Twiss, an assistant to Agriculture Undersecretary Mark Rey, said the
Forest Service is shifting funds from private and state lands to
federal lands that are adjacent to private, state and county property
to protect neighboring communities . . . Meanwhile, Pollema said
she's been scouring the Internet for grant possibilities and said the
community is likely going to have to start holding fund-raisers.

http://www.pe.com/localnews/opinion/...2.ce2744c.html
Parched for fire help
.. . . Federal officials have earmarked no disaster money for tree and
brush removal in the forest, though forest officials have $5 million
in other funding secured by Rep. Jerry Lewis, R-Redlands. That is
enough to tend about 2,000 acres of the roughly 672,000-acre forest . . .

http://www.wildfirenews.com/archive/120103.shtml
DOES SAN DIEGO COUNTY NEED A FIRE DEPARTMENT?
DECEMBER 01, 2003 -- SAN DIEGO, CA: San Diego County, which for
decades has been the only large California county without its own
fire department, is rethinking that position in the aftermath of the
Cedar Fire . . . November 26, 2003 . . . The fire-charred hills look
like graveyards of gnarled limbs and blackened dirt. "The soils in
southern California are very erosive," says Matt Mathes with the U.S.
Forest Service. "They fall down the slopes even naturally, and when
they get a lot of water on them, they tend to erode very readily in
the best of times. With the vegetation burned away, there's nothing
to hold the soil" . . .

CALIFORNIA FIRE LOSSES OVER $2 BILLION
NOVEMBER 19, 2003 -- SAN DIEGO, CA: Early estimates of $2 billion in
property damage have been verified by industry sources, according to
a North County Times report; the Cedar Fire in San Diego County and
the Old Fire near San Bernardino together accounted for at least
3,300 burned structures. The figures don't include all of the fire
damage in San Diego County, nor are fires in Los Angeles and Ventura
counties included in the estimate.

Some sources said the figure could run $2.5 billion to as much as $3
billion in insured losses; Robert Hartwig, chief economist of the
Insurance Information Institute, also has pegged the insured losses
for the two fires at $2.04 billion, and has said the number could
rise to $2.3 billion. Nearly 13,000 claims for damage have been
filed, and the policies represent a total coverage limit of just
under $3.5 billion.

Other disasters in California have cost more. The insured loss for
the Northridge earthquake in 1994 exceeded $12 billion, six times the
estimate for the Cedar and Old fires. As California fires go, the
champion for damage remains the blaze that engulfed San Francisco
after the 1906 earthquake. Total damage estimates for the San
Francisco fire approach $6 billion after adjusting for a century of
inflation, but most of that loss was uninsured.

RUIDOSO: THINGS LOOK DIFFERENT HERE
NOVEMBER 17, 2003 -- RUIDOSO, NM: . . . Homeowners and builders are
increasingly being told to protect themselves. Building codes are
being changed to require more fire-resistant construction materials,
and insurance companies are encouraging policyholders to make homes
safer or risk losing coverage.

But few communities have taken as comprehensive an approach as
Ruidoso. Two years ago the U.S. Forest Service designated the town as
the second-most-vulnerable community in the nation, based on forest
density and the mingling of homes and wildland. The village has
focused on public education and warning systems; emergency evacuation
routes are well marked with signs, and a "reverse 911" telephone
warning system can automatically notify hundreds of residents in just
minutes. New construction must adhere to a code requiring good access
for fire equipment, adequate water for firefighting, and
fire-resistant building materials.

Most important, Ruidoso crafted a comprehensive plan to thin forests
on its outskirts and on private land within town.

SAN DIEGO FLOODING FIXES IN THE WORKS
NOVEMBER 15, 2003 -- SAN DIEGO, CA: Erosion control experts from
local, state, and federal government agencies, along with a host of
volunteer workers, are preparing for mudslides and flooding after the
fires. The potential for heavier-than-usual runoff from rocky slopes
has had dozens of specialists out in the burned areas figuring how to
keep what's left from washing away. The Cedar and Paradise Fires
stripped many slopes of vegetation, and twice as much storm water
than normal could end up flowing down hillsides.

RESIDENTS WARNED ABOUT FLOODING
NOVEMBER, 2003 -- SUMMIT VALLEY, CA: As the residents who were
evacuated from the area of the Old Fire return to their homes and
resume their lives, federal and county officials are warning about
the possibility of mudslides and flooding . . .

THIS PLACE CALLED SOUTH OPS
NOVEMBER, 2003 -- SAN BERNARDINO
While turf battles and minor spitfights are still common, it's a lot
better than it was in 1961. That year, a firestorm swept through Bel
Air and Brentwood and destroyed more than 2,000 homes. The chaos that
year showed that fire agencies were working at cross purposes.


From: Icono Clast
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 03:16:05 -0700
Subject: Four questions for Mr Bush

Last week, I thought I couldn't possibly think less of that
despicably arrogant and incompetent son of Connecticut aristocracy.
This week, I'm seething to a self-damaging obsession. When Governor
George Wallace was shot, I had to force myself to say "That's no way
to do politics". Well, it might now be a way to help save the people
of Iraq, New Orleans, the USA, and the planet.

Pat Roberson? Are you there? What does "Take Him Out" mean? What I
mean is get him out of office any way necessary.


From: Icono Clast
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 04:31:03
Subject: OT: Political

wrote:
So, is this whole thing going to be blamed on the Governor because
it will be argued that "I need everything you have got" was not a
"specific" enough request?


That's virtually identical to my hypothetical Presidential order:
"Get down there to do anything you can with everything you have".


John Wheaton wrote:
From CNN Producer Mike M. Ahlers


Saturday, September 3, 2005; Posted: 6:09 a.m. EDT (10:09 GMT)


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Nine stockpiles of fire-and-rescue equipment
strategically placed around the country to be used in the event of
a catastrophe still have not been pressed into service in New
Orleans, five days after Hurricane Katrina, CNN has learned.


Responding to a CNN inquiry, Department of Homeland Security
spokesman Marc Short said Friday the gear has not been moved
because none of the governors in the hurricane-ravaged area has
requested it.


Where the **** is the humanity?!? You need ORDERS to go save lives?!?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/09/0...ear/index.html


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Old October 27th, 2007, 10:55 PM posted to rec.arts.dance,rec.travel.usa-canada
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On Oct 27, 4:00 am, Icono Clast wrote:
At the time of the Cedar Fire, I think, someone posted that the Idiot
in the White House had withdrawn expenditures to clear brush that
might have reduced the severity of that fire. I couldn't find the
post but I found some other stuff. The words might've been written a
few years ago but . . .


Ike -- I tried to ignore your post without a response but, as you can
see, I was not successful. I am not here to argue the articles you
dragged up or the mentality, character or deeds of President Bush --
just to express my disgust at your referring to the President as an
"idiot" on a forum that is read internationally. also held back over
the years this same feeling when I saw how you referred to President
Ronal Reagan on your dance website......isn't it time your buried
him?......or have you finally buried him?......

Miki

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Old October 28th, 2007, 02:03 PM posted to rec.arts.dance,rec.travel.usa-canada
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On Oct 28, 6:06 am, Icono Clast wrote:
memiki wrote:

memiki wrote:
Icono Clast wrote:
the Idiot in the White House


my disgust at your referring to the President as an "idiot"


How would you characterize him?

on a forum that is read internationally.


On a public forum that is read internationally, I would characterize
him as being a disappointment and that I disagree with how he has
handled some issues. I would not name-call, gloat, or go digging for
old dirt for personal satisfaction........


Years ago I wrote a post explaining that it's incumbent upon us
citizens of the USA to demonstrate to those in other countries that
we really do have the rights our Constitution says we do. There are
other constitutions around the world that have the words but not the
effect.


Phooey!!!!!!

Miki


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Old October 28th, 2007, 02:06 PM posted to rec.arts.dance,rec.travel.usa-canada
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memiki wrote:
[In 1961] methinks most, if not all, insurance companies covering
BelAir property stipulated in order to be covered the homes had to
be rebuilt on the same property....so there was not much of a
choice. I don't know if this policy is still in effect


Let's hope not.

Those who suffered loss who are not permitted to rebuild will lose
the value of their lot. The lot might be worth nothing today but
could've been worth a fortune yesterday. 'Tis truly a tragedy.


memiki wrote:
Icono Clast wrote:
the Idiot in the White House


my disgust at your referring to the President as an "idiot"


How would you characterize him?

on a forum that is read internationally.


Years ago I wrote a post explaining that it's incumbent upon us
citizens of the USA to demonstrate to those in other countries that
we really do have the rights our Constitution says we do. There are
other constitutions around the world that have the words but not the
effect.

You might recall from the Cold War: "We citizens of the USA have the
right to criticize our President." "So do we. We citizens of the USSR
also have the right to criticize your President."

also held back over the years this same feeling when I saw how you
referred to President Ronal Reagan on your dance website


No. That's on my personal site, the one at right in the sig. There is
opinion on the dance site, but it's about dancing.

......isn't it time your buried him?......or have you finally
buried him?......


No, I don't think so. You previously said you don't visit my personal
site because it offends you. That's OK. It might offend others, too,
who might choose to avoid it. Nuttin' I c'n do 'bout dat.

Employers might be offended by "Overtime", for example. Just about
everyone might find something offensive in "Stem Cell Research".
Southerners might not like "The New(!) South". Some mightn't like
"Bones of the Saints" or might even take issue with "My Opinion Can't
Be Wrong". 'Sokay. We have our opinions and feelings.

So far, after years of being there and many thousands of visits,
you're the only one to complain, to me, about the site's content.

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