Same on you AA pilot!

Shame on you AA pilot! And I hope you have learnt your lesson by
thinking that you, as an American, are invincible for your actions,
that you, as an American, have the right to say and do whatever you
want anywhere in the world! Thank you Brazilian officials for doing
the right thing, and for reciprocating the humiliation that your
citizens are subjected to upon their arrival to the United States.
Powell claims that this act is a discrimination against Americans:
does he forget that the actions of his country constitutes as
discrimination against non-Western and 'close' allies? I certainly
hope other countries do take up a similar stance, and show the
americans what it is like to be treated like a criminal.

Amish wrote:

Shame on you AA pilot! And I hope you have learnt your lesson by
thinking that you, as an American, are invincible for your actions,
that you, as an American, have the right to say and do whatever you
want anywhere in the world! Thank you Brazilian officials for doing
the right thing, and for reciprocating the humiliation that your
citizens are subjected to upon their arrival to the United States.

I got to say, I agree with the first part, the second part I disagree
with. The captain did a stupid thing. However, the Brazilian officials
are NOT doing the right thing.
Misguided as it may or may not be, the US has a plan for the pictures
and fingerprints. The Brazilians, on the other hand do not. They are
only taking them as a childish act of payback. Brazil was not the
victim of a terrorists that costs 2-3000 lives on a single day. I
disagree with a lot of the US security measures, but the idea behind
them is to protect lives (yes, I know some of them are stupid). The goal
of the Brazilian retribution on the other hand, is a show of strength,
and fails miserably. It was the act of a single judge, I believe, and
will probably be short-lived.

I also disagree that this (prints and photo) is any more humilitating in
the than requiring a visa to enter some countries, or to fill out a form
on arrival and/or on departure. It's a PHOTO and an electronically
scanned fingerprint. Even in California, they take your picture and scan
your thumbprint when you are getting a driver's license. It's not a big
deal. Not that I agree with the practice, although I think it can be
used, at least in the future to match a visa to the visa holder, to
ensure that the correct person is using it.

Amish wrote:
Shame on you AA pilot! And I hope you have learnt your lesson by
thinking that you, as an American, are invincible for your actions,
that you, as an American, have the right to say and do whatever you
want anywhere in the world! Thank you Brazilian officials for doing
the right thing, and for reciprocating the humiliation that your
citizens are subjected to upon their arrival to the United States.

While his behavior was immature, the Brazilian response was way out of line.
It's a rude gesture, not an assault. Anyone who is that offended by a rude
gesture has serious psychological issues.

miguel
--
Hundreds of travel photos from around the world: http://travel.u.nu/

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 05:22:39 GMT, (Miguel Cruz) wrote:

Amish wrote:
Shame on you AA pilot! And I hope you have learnt your lesson by
thinking that you, as an American, are invincible for your actions,
that you, as an American, have the right to say and do whatever you
want anywhere in the world! Thank you Brazilian officials for doing
the right thing, and for reciprocating the humiliation that your
citizens are subjected to upon their arrival to the United States.

While his behavior was immature, the Brazilian response was way out of line.
It's a rude gesture, not an assault. Anyone who is that offended by a rude
gesture has serious psychological issues.

miguel

What do you think would have happened if the pilot was Brazilian and
gave US Customs a hard time then flipped them off?

Miguel Cruz wrote:
While his behavior was immature, the Brazilian response was way out of line.
It's a rude gesture, not an assault. Anyone who is that offended by a rude
gesture has serious psychological issues.

Consider the old mothers entering the USA to visit their daughters and who
went immediatly sent to jail without being charged or access to lawyers. Or
canadians in transit through JFK being sent to Syria instead of their country
of passport (canada) and the USA denying they had seen the guy for a very long time.


Out of line ? Yes. But simply reciprocating. It is only when these things
start to happen to american citizens that american citizens will realise just
how bad their government has been treating arriving passengers into the USA.

Frankly, in the USA, anyone making such a gesture at immigration in the face
of the agent would probably be sent for 4th degree treatment these days.

It seems that in the Brazil incident, the guy was "punished" for being an
american with an attitude, but not accused of anything serious. Think of it as
a misdemeanor such as jaywalking. In teh USA, these are not "jokes" sicne the
poor passengers are treated as dangerous terrorists until proven otherwise.

Jordan wrote:
(Miguel Cruz) wrote:
Amish wrote:
Shame on you AA pilot! And I hope you have learnt your lesson by
thinking that you, as an American, are invincible for your actions,
that you, as an American, have the right to say and do whatever you
want anywhere in the world! Thank you Brazilian officials for doing
the right thing, and for reciprocating the humiliation that your
citizens are subjected to upon their arrival to the United States.

While his behavior was immature, the Brazilian response was way out of line.
It's a rude gesture, not an assault. Anyone who is that offended by a rude
gesture has serious psychological issues.

What do you think would have happened if the pilot was Brazilian and
gave US Customs a hard time then flipped them off?

Possibly the same, and I would say the shame would be on the US border
officials in that case.

miguel
--
Hundreds of travel photos from around the world: http://travel.u.nu/

No!!! Probably consigned to Guantanamo!! Held for 2 years without charges -
then subjected to an unfair Military Tribunal!! That's the fate of David
Hicks - an Australian!! If he's been involved in illegal activities, then he
should have been charged - within 24 hours of detention. That's the law in
Australia - I believe it's also the law in the USA.

USA is a rogue state - no better than Saddam's Iraq!! - but a good deal more
hypocritical!!!




"Miguel Cruz" wrote in message
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Jordan wrote:
(Miguel Cruz) wrote:
Amish wrote:
Shame on you AA pilot! And I hope you have learnt your lesson by
thinking that you, as an American, are invincible for your actions,
that you, as an American, have the right to say and do whatever you
want anywhere in the world! Thank you Brazilian officials for doing
the right thing, and for reciprocating the humiliation that your
citizens are subjected to upon their arrival to the United States.

While his behavior was immature, the Brazilian response was way out of
line.
It's a rude gesture, not an assault. Anyone who is that offended by a
rude
gesture has serious psychological issues.

What do you think would have happened if the pilot was Brazilian and
gave US Customs a hard time then flipped them off?

Possibly the same, and I would say the shame would be on the US border
officials in that case.

miguel
--
Hundreds of travel photos from around the world: http://travel.u.nu/

Brazil was not the
victim of a terrorists that costs 2-3000 lives on a single day.


I live in a country with approx. with a strong muslim minority (over
8%).
All countries around us have approx. a muslim minority as big (or
biggest) than ours. There are well known islamists associations all
over my continent.

Guess my country?

I live in Western Europe: Belgium

Terrorists responsible september 2001 came from Germany, the UK not
from Brazil.

Western European passengers don't require fingerprint at the arrival
and Brazil with approx. no muslims does.

This American measure doesn't intend to be effective. it has been made
to fight insecurity feelings amongts American citizens. It is as
childish and absurd as the Brazilian one.

Olivier

"Amish" wrote in message
om...
Shame on you AA pilot! And I hope you have learnt your lesson by
thinking that you, as an American, are invincible for your actions,
that you, as an American, have the right to say and do whatever you
want anywhere in the world!

What makes you think that's what the pilot was thinking? More likely, he
was thinking that the petty tit-for-tat game engaged in by Brazil was
hurting AA's business because Americans don't want to wait in line 9 hours
to be fingerprinted and photographed. If anything, he was ****ed that a
silly diplomatic "gesture" could threaten his livelihood, so he made a
silly, non-diplomatic gesture of his own.

Incidently, very, very few Americans (at least those who are not elected
officals) think what you've ascribed to them.

Thank you Brazilian officials for doing
the right thing, and for reciprocating the humiliation that your
citizens are subjected to upon their arrival to the United States.

Did you know that the largest percentage of illegal immigrants in the U.S.
come from Brazil?

Powell claims that this act is a discrimination against Americans:
does he forget that the actions of his country constitutes as
discrimination against non-Western and 'close' allies? I certainly
hope other countries do take up a similar stance, and show the
americans what it is like to be treated like a criminal.

And I'm certainly glad that few in the rest of the world are as xenophobic
and ignorant as you.

"Jordan" wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 05:22:39 GMT, (Miguel Cruz) wrote:

Amish wrote:
Shame on you AA pilot! And I hope you have learnt your lesson by
thinking that you, as an American, are invincible for your actions,
that you, as an American, have the right to say and do whatever you
want anywhere in the world! Thank you Brazilian officials for doing
the right thing, and for reciprocating the humiliation that your
citizens are subjected to upon their arrival to the United States.

While his behavior was immature, the Brazilian response was way out of
line.
It's a rude gesture, not an assault. Anyone who is that offended by a
rude
gesture has serious psychological issues.

miguel

What do you think would have happened if the pilot was Brazilian and
gave US Customs a hard time then flipped them off?

The same, and equally childish for both sides.