Engine Noise and Seating

are there any web sites that provide warnings about engine noise?
SeatGuru does not.

a month ago we took Korean Air from Bangkok to LAX. on the Incheon to
LA leg we had selected seats in the forward business class cabin (8AB)
many months before the flight. we were pulled out of the boarding
line and told that one of our seats (8B) was broken. they changed us
to 11AB (in the after business class cabin) and rushed us on board.
these seats turned out to be exactly over the engines. talking in
normal tones was impossible, as was hearing the movie soundtracks. we
were upset that Korean Air did not contact us during our six-hour
layover to reschedule the flight. they did have time to sell seat 8A
however.

anyway, is there an easy way to know about excessive noise other than
checking seat plans to find the seats at the forward edge of the wing?

also, can you refuse a seat change like this and force them to
reschedule your trip?

In article . com,
"F. D. Lewis" wrote:

are there any web sites that provide warnings about engine noise?
SeatGuru does not.

a month ago we took Korean Air from Bangkok to LAX. on the Incheon to
LA leg we had selected seats in the forward business class cabin (8AB)
many months before the flight. we were pulled out of the boarding
line and told that one of our seats (8B) was broken. they changed us
to 11AB (in the after business class cabin) and rushed us on board.
these seats turned out to be exactly over the engines. talking in
normal tones was impossible, as was hearing the movie soundtracks. we
were upset that Korean Air did not contact us during our six-hour
layover to reschedule the flight. they did have time to sell seat 8A
however.

anyway, is there an easy way to know about excessive noise other than
checking seat plans to find the seats at the forward edge of the wing?

also, can you refuse a seat change like this and force them to
reschedule your trip?

I don't know about web sites with that info. I have never had the
experience you described. Perhaps a pair of noise canceling headphones
would ease the situation for you if you experience that sort of
situation again.

In message . com "F. D.
Lewis" wrote:

are there any web sites that provide warnings about engine noise?
SeatGuru does not.

a month ago we took Korean Air from Bangkok to LAX. on the Incheon to
LA leg we had selected seats in the forward business class cabin (8AB)
many months before the flight. we were pulled out of the boarding
line and told that one of our seats (8B) was broken. they changed us
to 11AB (in the after business class cabin) and rushed us on board.
these seats turned out to be exactly over the engines. talking in
normal tones was impossible, as was hearing the movie soundtracks. we
were upset that Korean Air did not contact us during our six-hour
layover to reschedule the flight. they did have time to sell seat 8A
however.

anyway, is there an easy way to know about excessive noise other than
checking seat plans to find the seats at the forward edge of the wing?

Seatguru does mention engine noise in some planes, take a look at row 32
on
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Ame...ines_MD-80.php

also, can you refuse a seat change like this and force them to
reschedule your trip?

Asking nicely may get you what you want. Refusing or forcing the
airline will likely cause the gate agent to be less then friendly to
your request.

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On Oct 8, 4:03 pm, "F. D. Lewis" wrote:
are there any web sites that provide warnings about engine noise?
SeatGuru does not.

a month ago we took Korean Air from Bangkok to LAX. on the Incheon to
LA leg we had selected seats in the forward business class cabin (8AB)
many months before the flight. we were pulled out of the boarding
line and told that one of our seats (8B) was broken. they changed us
to 11AB (in the after business class cabin) and rushed us on board.
these seats turned out to be exactly over the engines. talking in
normal tones was impossible, as was hearing the movie soundtracks. we
were upset that Korean Air did not contact us during our six-hour
layover to reschedule the flight. they did have time to sell seat 8A
however.

anyway, is there an easy way to know about excessive noise other than
checking seat plans to find the seats at the forward edge of the wing?

also, can you refuse a seat change like this and force them to
reschedule your trip?

I would just check the seat chart, that is probably the best way.
Don't think you can get that seat change.

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On Oct 9, 4:03 am, "F. D. Lewis" wrote:
are there any web sites that provide warnings about engine noise?
SeatGuru does not.

a month ago we took Korean Air from Bangkok to LAX. on the Incheon to
LA leg we had selected seats in the forward business class cabin (8AB)
many months before the flight. we were pulled out of the boarding
line and told that one of our seats (8B) was broken. they changed us
to 11AB (in the after business class cabin) and rushed us on board.
these seats turned out to be exactly over the engines. talking in
normal tones was impossible, as was hearing the movie soundtracks. we
were upset that Korean Air did not contact us during our six-hour
layover to reschedule the flight. they did have time to sell seat 8A
however.

anyway, is there an easy way to know about excessive noise other than
checking seat plans to find the seats at the forward edge of the wing?

also, can you refuse a seat change like this and force them to
reschedule your trip?

If there is any charge for rescheduling you will have to pay it. You
pay for a class of service, not for a specific seat.

I don't know the Korean Air configuration but you'd have to be
*behind* the engines for noise to be a problem. First, you can't be
"exactly over the engines" unless you were sitting out on a wing
somewhere. I've never experienced a noise problem either in front of
the wings or above them.

On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:57:39 -0700, Tchiowa
wrote:


I don't know the Korean Air configuration but you'd have to be
*behind* the engines for noise to be a problem. First, you can't be
"exactly over the engines" unless you were sitting out on a wing
somewhere. I've never experienced a noise problem either in front of
the wings or above them.

I used to occasionally sit in the rear of 727s, between the two
outriggered engines. They were noisy, and because they were never
perfectly synched, you could hear the frequency modulation going
in and out. One time I flew one to LA for an engineering
conference back in the 1960s, and one of the presentations was a
new-fangled computer representation of a cross section at the
rear of a 727, with standing waves being created within the shell
of the fuselage itself.

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F. D. Lewis writes:

a month ago we took Korean Air from Bangkok to LAX. on the Incheon to
LA leg we had selected seats in the forward business class cabin (8AB)
many months before the flight. we were pulled out of the boarding
line and told that one of our seats (8B) was broken. they changed us
to 11AB (in the after business class cabin) and rushed us on board.
these seats turned out to be exactly over the engines. talking in
normal tones was impossible, as was hearing the movie soundtracks. we
were upset that Korean Air did not contact us during our six-hour
layover to reschedule the flight. they did have time to sell seat 8A
however.

What type of aircraft was this?

anyway, is there an easy way to know about excessive noise other than
checking seat plans to find the seats at the forward edge of the wing?

The seats at the forward edge of the wing should not be particularly noisy.
Most of the noise produced by engines comes from the back.

Remember also that a lot of the noise you hear on an aircraft is wind, not
engines.

"F. D. Lewis" wrote
ups.com...
line and told that one of our seats (8B) was broken. they changed us
to 11AB (in the after business class cabin) and rushed us on board.
these seats turned out to be exactly over the engines.


Oh, please... what a non-issue. You were changed seats from 8 to 11 and
(only 3 rows) and you were annoyed by the engine noise? *LOL*
Greetings,

-pff!

On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:45:14 -0700, Hatunen wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:57:39 -0700, Tchiowa
wrote:


I don't know the Korean Air configuration but you'd have to be
*behind* the engines for noise to be a problem. First, you can't be
"exactly over the engines" unless you were sitting out on a wing
somewhere. I've never experienced a noise problem either in front of
the wings or above them.

I used to occasionally sit in the rear of 727s, between the two
outriggered engines. They were noisy, and because they were never
perfectly synched, you could hear the frequency modulation going
in and out. One time I flew one to LA for an engineering
conference back in the 1960s, and one of the presentations was a
new-fangled computer representation of a cross section at the
rear of a 727, with standing waves being created within the shell
of the fuselage itself.

What is the resonant frequency of an airplane?
Isn't there supposed to be some sort of filter
in the electronic circuits, like there is for the bending mode?

On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:49:53 -0700, irwell
wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:45:14 -0700, Hatunen wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:57:39 -0700, Tchiowa
wrote:


I don't know the Korean Air configuration but you'd have to be
*behind* the engines for noise to be a problem. First, you can't be
"exactly over the engines" unless you were sitting out on a wing
somewhere. I've never experienced a noise problem either in front of
the wings or above them.

I used to occasionally sit in the rear of 727s, between the two
outriggered engines. They were noisy, and because they were never
perfectly synched, you could hear the frequency modulation going
in and out. One time I flew one to LA for an engineering
conference back in the 1960s, and one of the presentations was a
new-fangled computer representation of a cross section at the
rear of a 727, with standing waves being created within the shell
of the fuselage itself.

What is the resonant frequency of an airplane?
Isn't there supposed to be some sort of filter
in the electronic circuits, like there is for the bending mode?

Um, we're talking elastic waves here, literally warping of the
fuselage.

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************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *