This is an outrage!

You can't even go overseas without the US government sticking its nose in
your bedroom.

Prosecutor Says Man Visited Pedophile Resort
By SUSAN SAULNY

A former Brooklyn pediatrician took beach vacations to Mexico and Central
America not to enjoy sun and sand, but rather to have sex with young boys
at a resort for pedophiles, a federal prosecutor told a Manhattan jury
yesterday as the man's trial began.

The former doctor, Stefan Irving, 56, of Sunset Park, traveled to Mexico
and Honduras, where he baited boys as young as 6 with action figures and
children's books, then took advantage of them, Michael Scudder, an
assistant United States attorney, said in his opening statement in Federal
District Court.

"Ladies and gentlemen, the defendant did not stay at a Holiday Inn," Mr.
Scudder said. "He stayed at a resort where American men go to have sex with
boys."

Mr. Irving was arrested in May after a lengthy nationwide investigation led
the authorities to a guesthouse in Acapulco, where they say boys from 6 to
17 were recruited off the streets and given shelter in exchange for sex.

Mr. Irving is charged with traveling internationally to engage in sex with
a minor. If he is convicted, he will face up to 30 years in prison.

Mr. Irving lost his license to practice medicine after being convicted of
attempted sexual abuse of a child in 1983.

Mr. Irving's lawyer, Andrew Citron, said in his opening statement that the
government had a "tremendous absence of evidence" to support its charges in
the current case. Mr. Citron also told the jury that Mr. Irving certainly
had an interest in minors, but that his interest was "not illegal."

"He had many other reasons to make these trips other than to have sex with
minors," Mr. Citron said of Mr. Irving. He later added, "These were normal
vacations."

Mr. Citron criticized the government's evidence, which includes entries
from Mr. Irving's personal journal and testimony from the manager of the
Mexican guesthouse. He said that the journal excerpts about boys were
incomplete and misleading, and that the manager of the guesthouse had
ulterior motives for cooperating with prosecutors.

Officials have said the manager told them that on more than one occasion he
observed a boy accompanying Mr. Irving into his bedroom at night. According
to the complaint, the manager told investigators that Mr. Irving questioned
him about which boys were staying at the guesthouse.

"The manager stated that Irving asked for such information because, perhaps
among other reasons, he wanted to be certain that his favorite boys would
be at the house when he visited from the United States," the complaint
stated.


-- Steve
º¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤º
Steve Chaney

Remove "Vegetus." to get my real email address
See the soc.singles HALL OF STUPID:
http://member.newsguy.com/~gunhed/hallofstupid
"If only sheep could cook, we wouldn't need women at all! 8)" - Dizzy,
Message-ID:
"Outside of this group, I don't remember hearing anyone in RL say that fat
people are worthless." - some anonymous coward admitting the truth,
Message-ID:
"I watched The Accused last night with Jodie Foster. Tough movie. I was
wondering what people felt as to whether or not they feel she deserved what
happened to her." - Brenda Lee Ehmka, Message-ID:

"Jade, your whole existence is spent trying to find people you can justify
vetting your rage toward thorugh all forms of harassment. Do you realize
that?" - Sunny, on Jade's life in a nutshell

I know ... it is an outrage ... but law says he must have a trial before he is
punished ...

Be seeing you
In the Village
Number 6

"Steve Chaney, aka Papa Gunnykins ®" wrote in message You can't even go
overseas without the US government sticking its nose in
your bedroom.

You are just as sick as he is if you are upset the US government is going
after him. You two can meet in hell.

Gee, cross post it enough?

Neither Mexico or Central America are overseas.

Too bad there has to be a trial, they should just put him in prison for a
couple of weeks and turn their backs.




"Steve Chaney, aka Papa Gunnykins ®" wrote in
message ...
You can't even go overseas without the US government sticking its nose in
your bedroom.

Prosecutor Says Man Visited Pedophile Resort
By SUSAN SAULNY

A former Brooklyn pediatrician took beach vacations to Mexico and Central
America not to enjoy sun and sand, but rather to have sex with young boys
at a resort for pedophiles, a federal prosecutor told a Manhattan jury
yesterday as the man's trial began.

The former doctor, Stefan Irving, 56, of Sunset Park, traveled to Mexico
and Honduras, where he baited boys as young as 6 with action figures and
children's books, then took advantage of them, Michael Scudder, an
assistant United States attorney, said in his opening statement in Federal
District Court.

"Ladies and gentlemen, the defendant did not stay at a Holiday Inn," Mr.
Scudder said. "He stayed at a resort where American men go to have sex
with
boys."

Mr. Irving was arrested in May after a lengthy nationwide investigation
led
the authorities to a guesthouse in Acapulco, where they say boys from 6 to
17 were recruited off the streets and given shelter in exchange for sex.

Mr. Irving is charged with traveling internationally to engage in sex with
a minor. If he is convicted, he will face up to 30 years in prison.

Mr. Irving lost his license to practice medicine after being convicted of
attempted sexual abuse of a child in 1983.

Mr. Irving's lawyer, Andrew Citron, said in his opening statement that the
government had a "tremendous absence of evidence" to support its charges
in
the current case. Mr. Citron also told the jury that Mr. Irving certainly
had an interest in minors, but that his interest was "not illegal."

"He had many other reasons to make these trips other than to have sex with
minors," Mr. Citron said of Mr. Irving. He later added, "These were normal
vacations."

Mr. Citron criticized the government's evidence, which includes entries
from Mr. Irving's personal journal and testimony from the manager of the
Mexican guesthouse. He said that the journal excerpts about boys were
incomplete and misleading, and that the manager of the guesthouse had
ulterior motives for cooperating with prosecutors.

Officials have said the manager told them that on more than one occasion
he
observed a boy accompanying Mr. Irving into his bedroom at night.
According
to the complaint, the manager told investigators that Mr. Irving
questioned
him about which boys were staying at the guesthouse.

"The manager stated that Irving asked for such information because,
perhaps
among other reasons, he wanted to be certain that his favorite boys would
be at the house when he visited from the United States," the complaint
stated.


-- Steve
º¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤º
Steve Chaney

Remove "Vegetus." to get my real email address
See the soc.singles HALL OF STUPID:
http://member.newsguy.com/~gunhed/hallofstupid
"If only sheep could cook, we wouldn't need women at all! 8)" - Dizzy,
Message-ID:
"Outside of this group, I don't remember hearing anyone in RL say that fat
people are worthless." - some anonymous coward admitting the truth,
Message-ID:
"I watched The Accused last night with Jodie Foster. Tough movie. I was
wondering what people felt as to whether or not they feel she deserved
what
happened to her." - Brenda Lee Ehmka, Message-ID:

"Jade, your whole existence is spent trying to find people you can justify
vetting your rage toward thorugh all forms of harassment. Do you realize
that?" - Sunny, on Jade's life in a nutshell

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:50:33 -0400, "CX" wrote:


"Steve Chaney, aka Papa Gunnykins ®" wrote in message You can't
even go overseas without the US government sticking its nose in
your bedroom.

You are just as sick as he is if you are upset the US government is
going after him. You two can meet in hell.

Hell is a good place for Steve Chaney's forger.

Hi Dicky Nonads!


LV

Remove "intel" from address to reply

Lady Veteran
- -----------------------------------
"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..."
- -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
- ------------------------------------------------
Support bacteria - they're the only culture
some people have." -Stephen Wright
- -------------------------------------------
Ridicule of fat people is never acceptable.
Those who insist on doing this are living
examples of that old Chinese proverb:

Keep mouth closed and be thought a fool:
Open mouth and remove all doubt.

In other words, they are idiots.
- -------------------------------------------------


-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: PGP 8.0 - not licensed for commercial use: www.pgp.com

iQA/AwUBP3jy7sTgtWhYq7BhEQLYMQCfRk69V6FUyBSO6ABc+LC6yM SKNBQAn1qO
LmDFUZQjiVjiX0uwe3H+KpiR
=dizy
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Great for them. About time these scumbags are taken off the street,
wherever the street is.


On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 01:53:42 GMT, (Steve
Chaney, aka Papa Gunnykins ®) wrote:

You can't even go overseas without the US government sticking its nose in
your bedroom.

Prosecutor Says Man Visited Pedophile Resort
By SUSAN SAULNY

A former Brooklyn pediatrician took beach vacations to Mexico and Central
America not to enjoy sun and sand, but rather to have sex with young boys
at a resort for pedophiles, a federal prosecutor told a Manhattan jury
yesterday as the man's trial began.

The former doctor, Stefan Irving, 56, of Sunset Park, traveled to Mexico
and Honduras, where he baited boys as young as 6 with action figures and
children's books, then took advantage of them, Michael Scudder, an
assistant United States attorney, said in his opening statement in Federal
District Court.

"Ladies and gentlemen, the defendant did not stay at a Holiday Inn," Mr.
Scudder said. "He stayed at a resort where American men go to have sex with
boys."

Mr. Irving was arrested in May after a lengthy nationwide investigation led
the authorities to a guesthouse in Acapulco, where they say boys from 6 to
17 were recruited off the streets and given shelter in exchange for sex.

Mr. Irving is charged with traveling internationally to engage in sex with
a minor. If he is convicted, he will face up to 30 years in prison.

Mr. Irving lost his license to practice medicine after being convicted of
attempted sexual abuse of a child in 1983.

Mr. Irving's lawyer, Andrew Citron, said in his opening statement that the
government had a "tremendous absence of evidence" to support its charges in
the current case. Mr. Citron also told the jury that Mr. Irving certainly
had an interest in minors, but that his interest was "not illegal."

"He had many other reasons to make these trips other than to have sex with
minors," Mr. Citron said of Mr. Irving. He later added, "These were normal
vacations."

Mr. Citron criticized the government's evidence, which includes entries
from Mr. Irving's personal journal and testimony from the manager of the
Mexican guesthouse. He said that the journal excerpts about boys were
incomplete and misleading, and that the manager of the guesthouse had
ulterior motives for cooperating with prosecutors.

Officials have said the manager told them that on more than one occasion he
observed a boy accompanying Mr. Irving into his bedroom at night. According
to the complaint, the manager told investigators that Mr. Irving questioned
him about which boys were staying at the guesthouse.

"The manager stated that Irving asked for such information because, perhaps
among other reasons, he wanted to be certain that his favorite boys would
be at the house when he visited from the United States," the complaint
stated.


-- Steve
º¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤º
Steve Chaney

Remove "Vegetus." to get my real email address
See the soc.singles HALL OF STUPID:
http://member.newsguy.com/~gunhed/hallofstupid
"If only sheep could cook, we wouldn't need women at all! 8)" - Dizzy,
Message-ID:
"Outside of this group, I don't remember hearing anyone in RL say that fat
people are worthless." - some anonymous coward admitting the truth,
Message-ID:
"I watched The Accused last night with Jodie Foster. Tough movie. I was
wondering what people felt as to whether or not they feel she deserved what
happened to her." - Brenda Lee Ehmka, Message-ID:

"Jade, your whole existence is spent trying to find people you can justify
vetting your rage toward thorugh all forms of harassment. Do you realize
that?" - Sunny, on Jade's life in a nutshell

Agreed. But still, how can they prosecute for something that happened in
another country? "traveling internationally to engage in sex with a minor"?

wrote in message
...
Great for them. About time these scumbags are taken off the street,
wherever the street is.

A former Brooklyn pediatrician took beach vacations to Mexico and Central
America not to enjoy sun and sand, but rather to have sex with young boys
at a resort for pedophiles, a federal prosecutor told a Manhattan jury
yesterday as the man's trial began.

The former doctor, Stefan Irving, 56, of Sunset Park, traveled to Mexico
and Honduras, where he baited boys as young as 6 with action figures and
children's books, then took advantage of them, Michael Scudder, an
assistant United States attorney, said in his opening statement in
Federal
District Court.

"Ladies and gentlemen, the defendant did not stay at a Holiday Inn," Mr.
Scudder said. "He stayed at a resort where American men go to have sex
with
boys."

Mr. Irving was arrested in May after a lengthy nationwide investigation
led
the authorities to a guesthouse in Acapulco, where they say boys from 6
to
17 were recruited off the streets and given shelter in exchange for sex.

Mr. Irving is charged with traveling internationally to engage in sex
with
a minor. If he is convicted, he will face up to 30 years in prison.
...snip

I think you're being too kind, Jim.

I say put him in a jail cell with the family members of
The children he molested.

Cathy

On 9/30/03 12:26 PM, in article ,
"Jim" wrote:

The only outrage is that this man is still alive and walking free. Some
crimes are so outrageous that national boundaries should not matter and this
piece of filth is an example. Locking him in a cage with a psychopath may be
too good for him.
Jim

"Jeeters" wrote in message
...
Agreed. But still, how can they prosecute for something that happened in
another country? "traveling internationally to engage in sex with a
minor"?

Yes. In Australia, at least. We have laws that allow Australians to be
tried for such obscenities here, even if the crime is committed overseas.

--
Alan Erskine
alanerskine(at)optusnet.com.au

Iraq - America's new Vietnam?

Jeeters wrote:
Agreed. But still, how can they prosecute for something that happened in
another country? "traveling internationally to engage in sex with a minor"?

Yes, exactly.

There's nothing new about prosecuting for conduct that occurs outside US
jurisdiction. Consider the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.

miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu
Site remodeled 10-Sept-2003: Hundreds of new photos, easier navigation.