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Jeff wrote:
"Jan" wrote in message ... Jeff wrote: "Petra" wrote in message 7.135... "Geoff Lillico" wrote in news:42e1685a$1_1 @news.iprimus.com.au: The Rocks area has a few shops which state that the instruments are traditionally crafted. They will post them home for you. We went into an Aboriginal art centre in the Rocks and asked what percentage of their sales went to Aboriginals. The salespeople had no idea (and didn't really seem to care). I think there are better places if you want to be sure the people who actually *make* these things get their fare share. Petra oh come one, they are all made in indonesia now anyhow. if you want to buy the real thing, then go to a community art galley in the outback ( not Sydney) , then you will have a real experience to talk about when you get home. Cheers Jeff Bought mine in Alice Springs, the gallery wrapped it in paper and plastic bubble wrap.The shop said they are hardier than tourists think!!! I still though, wrapped around more newspaper as I read them. At check in Cairns Qantas assured me they were used to carrying didges and would look after it. And Yes it arrived safely back to the UK with the rest of our baggage. Jan Can you play it Jan? After several alcoholic drinks- I think I can ;-) ........ Nah...can't get the hang of circular breathing !! Jan Cheers Jeff |
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"Peter Webb" wrote in
u: "Petra" wrote in message 7.135... "Geoff Lillico" wrote in news:42e1685a$1_1 @news.iprimus.com.au: The Rocks area has a few shops which state that the instruments are traditionally crafted. They will post them home for you. We went into an Aboriginal art centre in the Rocks and asked what percentage of their sales went to Aboriginals. The salespeople had no idea (and didn't really seem to care). I think there are better places if you want to be sure the people who actually *make* these things get their fare share. Petra Do you ask the percentage of the cost that goes to production workers when you buy all your goods? No, but that's not a bad idea. Even if I did, I'd never get an answer since no one knows the answer. For example, when buying a can of tomatoes, do you ask the check-out chick about the farm gate wholesale price of tomataoes, and whether the pickers were paid award rates or piece-work rates? In the shoe shop, do you enquire about the wages of Sri Lankan factory workers? When buying bus tickets, do you ask how much the bus drivers are paid? When buying fancy label clothing, do you ask who made them and how much did they get paid? Some people are actually beginning to do this, and the result is - apparently - a slow appreciation of the inequitities associated with many industries. Tell me this as well; did you wonder as to the meaning of that great Australian word "******" that presumably you heard so often on your visit? I've known the meaning of that word for a very long time. And I think I just met one :-) Petra |
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"Jeff" wrote in
: "Petra" wrote in message 7.135... "Geoff Lillico" wrote in news:42e1685a$1_1 @news.iprimus.com.au: The Rocks area has a few shops which state that the instruments are traditionally crafted. They will post them home for you. We went into an Aboriginal art centre in the Rocks and asked what percentage of their sales went to Aboriginals. The salespeople had no idea (and didn't really seem to care). I think there are better places if you want to be sure the people who actually *make* these things get their fare share. Petra oh come one, they are all made in indonesia now anyhow. if you want to buy the real thing, then go to a community art galley in the outback ( not Sydney) , then you will have a real experience to talk about when you get home. Cheers Jeff Exactly my point, Jeff. I think you have to go where the artists are to get the real thing. Half (three-quarters?) of the tourist items we saw were made in China. I suppose most people don't care if they buy a cap with a kangaroo on it, and it's made in China. I like to think I'm bringing home a little bit of Australia with me, not an item mass produced in another country. Petra |
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"Petra" wrote in message .134... "Peter Webb" wrote in u: "Petra" wrote in message 7.135... "Geoff Lillico" wrote in news:42e1685a$1_1 @news.iprimus.com.au: The Rocks area has a few shops which state that the instruments are traditionally crafted. They will post them home for you. We went into an Aboriginal art centre in the Rocks and asked what percentage of their sales went to Aboriginals. The salespeople had no idea (and didn't really seem to care). I think there are better places if you want to be sure the people who actually *make* these things get their fare share. Petra Do you ask the percentage of the cost that goes to production workers when you buy all your goods? No, but that's not a bad idea. Even if I did, I'd never get an answer since no one knows the answer. For example, when buying a can of tomatoes, do you ask the check-out chick about the farm gate wholesale price of tomataoes, and whether the pickers were paid award rates or piece-work rates? In the shoe shop, do you enquire about the wages of Sri Lankan factory workers? When buying bus tickets, do you ask how much the bus drivers are paid? When buying fancy label clothing, do you ask who made them and how much did they get paid? Some people are actually beginning to do this, and the result is - apparently - a slow appreciation of the inequitities associated with many industries. Tell me this as well; did you wonder as to the meaning of that great Australian word "******" that presumably you heard so often on your visit? I've known the meaning of that word for a very long time. And I think I just met one :-) Petra good one Petra! |
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"Petra" wrote in message .134... "Peter Webb" wrote in u: "Petra" wrote in message 7.135... "Geoff Lillico" wrote in news:42e1685a$1_1 @news.iprimus.com.au: The Rocks area has a few shops which state that the instruments are traditionally crafted. They will post them home for you. We went into an Aboriginal art centre in the Rocks and asked what percentage of their sales went to Aboriginals. The salespeople had no idea (and didn't really seem to care). I think there are better places if you want to be sure the people who actually *make* these things get their fare share. Petra Do you ask the percentage of the cost that goes to production workers when you buy all your goods? No, but that's not a bad idea. Even if I did, I'd never get an answer since no one knows the answer. So why did you expect an answer for the didgeredoo? For example, when buying a can of tomatoes, do you ask the check-out chick about the farm gate wholesale price of tomataoes, and whether the pickers were paid award rates or piece-work rates? In the shoe shop, do you enquire about the wages of Sri Lankan factory workers? When buying bus tickets, do you ask how much the bus drivers are paid? When buying fancy label clothing, do you ask who made them and how much did they get paid? Some people are actually beginning to do this, and the result is - apparently - a slow appreciation of the inequitities associated with many industries. "Some people" - so presumably not you. What other products have you enquired at point of sale as to the percentage labour input? None I take it? So why the didgeredoo? When you bought your PC, did you ask if the motherboard was assembled in a Chinese sweat-shop (as it probably was)? Let me assure you, the average Chinese sweat-shop on $2/day would trade in a heart-beat to live in Australia. |
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"Peter Webb" wrote in
u: "Petra" wrote in message .134... "Peter Webb" wrote in u: "Petra" wrote in message 7.135... "Geoff Lillico" wrote in news:42e1685a$1_1 @news.iprimus.com.au: The Rocks area has a few shops which state that the instruments are traditionally crafted. They will post them home for you. We went into an Aboriginal art centre in the Rocks and asked what percentage of their sales went to Aboriginals. The salespeople had no idea (and didn't really seem to care). I think there are better places if you want to be sure the people who actually *make* these things get their fare share. [ed: should have been: fair share] Petra Do you ask the percentage of the cost that goes to production workers when you buy all your goods? No, but that's not a bad idea. Even if I did, I'd never get an answer since no one knows the answer. So why did you expect an answer for the didgeredoo? I'm not the one who was looking for a didgeredoo. For example, when buying a can of tomatoes, do you ask the check-out chick about the farm gate wholesale price of tomataoes, and whether the pickers were paid award rates or piece-work rates? In the shoe shop, do you enquire about the wages of Sri Lankan factory workers? When buying bus tickets, do you ask how much the bus drivers are paid? When buying fancy label clothing, do you ask who made them and how much did they get paid? Some people are actually beginning to do this, and the result is - apparently - a slow appreciation of the inequitities associated with many industries. "Some people" - so presumably not you. No, not me, as I don't shop for labels. When I buy clothing, I actually do look at the label, out of curiosity. I don't usually make the decision to buy or not buy depending on the country of manufacture. I'm not a political activist, if that's what you mean :-) What other products have you enquired at point of sale as to the percentage labour input? None I take it? My point concerned native peoples, whether they be Aborigines in Australia, Inuit in Northern Canada, the Akamba people in Kenya or anybody else anywhere else. If I'm going to buy 'souvenirs' supposedly made by these people I would rather that most of the money goes to the artist and not the middle man, who quite often in the past has been known to take great advantage of these talented but unsophisticated peoples. So why the didgeredoo? When you bought your PC, did you ask if the motherboard was assembled in a Chinese sweat-shop (as it probably was)? Let me assure you, the average Chinese sweat-shop on $2/day would trade in a heart-beat to live in Australia. As mentioned above, I'm not the one who originally enquired about the didgeredoo. Or digeridu, didjeridoo, didgeridu, didjeridu (amazing how different dictionaries spell it differently. The online Macquaries dictionary has it as "didjeridoo" for what it's worth.) I had many chances in Australia to purchase one, and even stopped in a 'didgeridoo factory' (Geelong? Can't remember where) in which dozens of these items were available. We did have a friendly chat about who made them, how they were made, etc. but I wasn't shopping. I don't consider my PC as a souvenir and my point *only* concerns souvenir purchases as made by native peoples. Petra |
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Hi,
Jan wrote: Can you play it Jan? After several alcoholic drinks- I think I can ;-) ........ Nah...can't get the hang of circular breathing !! They still contribute nicely to a room. R -- For contact details, please see www.ralphholz.de. |
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"Wee Peem" writes:
Hi, Going to be in Sydney and Brisbane in the next month and am wanting to get a didgeridoo to bring home. Where is the best place to get one from?? a trad one not a mass produced if there is such a thing. And also what sort of money do u think I would look at to post back to UK??? As I dont want to carry it on the plane or store in the baggage. Bit of a problem with supply-chain economics. 'Real' yidakis are made by master craftsmen from selected trees hollowed out by termites, and come only from north-eastern Arnhem Land. Probably the greatest of those now living is Djalu Gurruwiwi. To buy one of his instruments, assuming he is willing to sell one to you and that one is available, would cost around $1500. You'd have to go to Arnhem Land to get one. It doesn't get any more 'real' than that. Didges are available for sale everywhere. Unless you are an expert, and know how to play, they are all much of a muchness, and it is the intrinsic 'otherness' of the instrument, or its decoration, which gives it much of its charm. To play one is not difficult; to play one properly is. If you are happy with the products on offer, and they look like the sort of thing you want, then buy and be content. You have little control over the supply chain, although it does no harm to ask. -- Mike McBain [I've apparently won the first prize (4 million euro) and two second prizes (2 million euro each) in an internet lottery and the organisers in Ireland, Spain and Switzerland are just waiting |
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