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SIA Crew vs Boeing Test Pilots (was SQ222 Diversion)
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 wrote:
What makes me really jumpy about SQ is the endless stream of bad stories about them. Cabin crew that go to pieces anytime something slightly out of the ordinary happens - useless in any sort of emergency situation. Pilots who never, ever go around or divert, yet are all at least as good as Boeing test pilots (you just ask them). Hmmm - with your faith in Boeing test pilots you must have missed this one then GB .......... "With power going out on one engine of The Boeing's Co.'s historic S-307 Stratoliner and a cockpit warning light showing low fuel pressure in another, Capt. Richard "Buzz" Nelson, a veteran Boeing test pilot, commanded the flight engineer to switch fuel feed to another tank. "There is no other tank," the flight engineer responded. "We are out of fuel." A police officer stands on a boat near the last remaining Stratoliner, which crashed into Elliott Bay off West Seattle last year. Moments later, Nelson radioed "mayday" and the Stratoliner, all four engines out, ditched into Elliott Bay about 50 feet from shore and in view of people eating lunch at nearby Salty's restaurant. None of the four crew members was seriously hurt and the plane, though badly damaged, was recovered from the salt water and is now being restored for the second time. Details of what happened during the Stratoliner's last fateful flight one year ago are in a factual report of the accident made public yesterday by the National Transportation Safety Board. The board's final report, which will include the probable cause of the crash and contributing factors, is due to be released today. But the factual report, prepared by a safety board investigator in Seattle, provides a fascinating look at the last flight and the sudden and unexpected fuel emergency for two of Boeing's most experienced commercial jetliner test pilots." There's an NTSB report which provides all the humiliating details. Cheers Vector |
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SIA Crew vs Boeing Test Pilots (was SQ222 Diversion)
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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 wrote: What makes me really jumpy about SQ is the endless stream of bad stories about them. Cabin crew that go to pieces anytime something slightly out of the ordinary happens - useless in any sort of emergency situation. Pilots who never, ever go around or divert, yet are all at least as good as Boeing test pilots (you just ask them). Care to be a little more specific. You must be thinking of another airline or perhaps you just decided to make this all up Hmmm - with your faith in Boeing test pilots you must have missed this one then GB .......... "With power going out on one engine of The Boeing's Co.'s historic S-307 Stratoliner and a cockpit warning light showing low fuel pressure in another, Capt. Richard "Buzz" Nelson, a veteran Boeing test pilot, commanded the flight engineer to switch fuel feed to another tank. "There is no other tank," the flight engineer responded. "We are out of fuel." A police officer stands on a boat near the last remaining Stratoliner, which crashed into Elliott Bay off West Seattle last year. Moments later, Nelson radioed "mayday" and the Stratoliner, all four engines out, ditched into Elliott Bay about 50 feet from shore and in view of people eating lunch at nearby Salty's restaurant. None of the four crew members was seriously hurt and the plane, though badly damaged, was recovered from the salt water and is now being restored for the second time. Details of what happened during the Stratoliner's last fateful flight one year ago are in a factual report of the accident made public yesterday by the National Transportation Safety Board. The board's final report, which will include the probable cause of the crash and contributing factors, is due to be released today. But the factual report, prepared by a safety board investigator in Seattle, provides a fascinating look at the last flight and the sudden and unexpected fuel emergency for two of Boeing's most experienced commercial jetliner test pilots." There's an NTSB report which provides all the humiliating details. Cheers Vector |
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SIA Crew vs Boeing Test Pilots (was SQ222 Diversion)
that's what happens when you get too used to having all the bells and
whistles (IT _WAS_ A 65 YEAR OLD AIRCRAFT after all) (gee wasn't it YOUR part of the preflight to check the fuel..?.) "Vector" wrote in message news On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 wrote: What makes me really jumpy about SQ is the endless stream of bad stories about them. Cabin crew that go to pieces anytime something slightly out of the ordinary happens - useless in any sort of emergency situation. Pilots who never, ever go around or divert, yet are all at least as good as Boeing test pilots (you just ask them). Hmmm - with your faith in Boeing test pilots you must have missed this one then GB .......... "With power going out on one engine of The Boeing's Co.'s historic S-307 Stratoliner and a cockpit warning light showing low fuel pressure in another, Capt. Richard "Buzz" Nelson, a veteran Boeing test pilot, commanded the flight engineer to switch fuel feed to another tank. "There is no other tank," the flight engineer responded. "We are out of fuel." A police officer stands on a boat near the last remaining Stratoliner, which crashed into Elliott Bay off West Seattle last year. Moments later, Nelson radioed "mayday" and the Stratoliner, all four engines out, ditched into Elliott Bay about 50 feet from shore and in view of people eating lunch at nearby Salty's restaurant. None of the four crew members was seriously hurt and the plane, though badly damaged, was recovered from the salt water and is now being restored for the second time. Details of what happened during the Stratoliner's last fateful flight one year ago are in a factual report of the accident made public yesterday by the National Transportation Safety Board. The board's final report, which will include the probable cause of the crash and contributing factors, is due to be released today. But the factual report, prepared by a safety board investigator in Seattle, provides a fascinating look at the last flight and the sudden and unexpected fuel emergency for two of Boeing's most experienced commercial jetliner test pilots." There's an NTSB report which provides all the humiliating details. Cheers Vector |
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SIA Crew vs Boeing Test Pilots (was SQ222 Diversion)
"Vector" wrote in message news On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 wrote: What makes me really jumpy about SQ is the endless stream of bad stories about them. Cabin crew that go to pieces anytime something slightly out of the ordinary happens - useless in any sort of emergency situation. Pilots who never, ever go around or divert, yet are all at least as good as Boeing test pilots (you just ask them). Hmmm - with your faith in Boeing test pilots you must have missed this one then GB .......... GB I must defend some of the crews in SQ (grits teeth) But had Round eyes Aussies and a few Indian capts SQ that could not fault and yes 2 go arounds were done. have to be fair. "With power going out on one engine of The Boeing's Co.'s historic S-307 Stratoliner and a cockpit warning light showing low fuel pressure in another, Capt. Richard "Buzz" Nelson, a veteran Boeing test pilot, commanded the flight engineer to switch fuel feed to another tank. "There is no other tank," the flight engineer responded. "We are out of fuel." A police officer stands on a boat near the last remaining Stratoliner, which crashed into Elliott Bay off West Seattle last year. Moments later, Nelson radioed "mayday" and the Stratoliner, all four engines out, ditched into Elliott Bay about 50 feet from shore and in view of people eating lunch at nearby Salty's restaurant. None of the four crew members was seriously hurt and the plane, though badly damaged, was recovered from the salt water and is now being restored for the second time. Details of what happened during the Stratoliner's last fateful flight one year ago are in a factual report of the accident made public yesterday by the National Transportation Safety Board. The board's final report, which will include the probable cause of the crash and contributing factors, is due to be released today. But the factual report, prepared by a safety board investigator in Seattle, provides a fascinating look at the last flight and the sudden and unexpected fuel emergency for two of Boeing's most experienced commercial jetliner test pilots." There's an NTSB report which provides all the humiliating details. Cheers Vector |
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SIA Crew vs Boeing Test Pilots (was SQ222 Diversion)
"Vector" wrote in message news On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 wrote: There's an NTSB report which provides all the humiliating details. Cheers Vector Being a bit tired and lazy could you post the url please. |
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SIA Crew vs Boeing Test Pilots (was SQ222 Diversion)
Short-term memory loss eh? The event happened not all that long ago and
was reported by the networks Get a better grip! veritas JMS wrote: Care to be a little more specific. You must be thinking of another airline or perhaps you just decided to make this all up |
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SIA Crew vs Boeing Test Pilots (was SQ222 Diversion)
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 08:21:07 +0800, "Pits"
wrote: Being a bit tired and lazy could you post the url please. Hadn't kept it but quick Google on ntsb boeing 307 gave me 300+ links incl this one - http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...01X00435&key=1 Cheers |
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SIA Crew vs Boeing Test Pilots (was SQ222 Diversion)
"veritas" wrote in message
... Short-term memory loss eh? The event happened not all that long ago and was reported by the networks Get a better grip! veritas And this is an endless stream of incidents. JMS wrote: Care to be a little more specific. You must be thinking of another airline or perhaps you just decided to make this all up |
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SIA Crew vs Boeing Test Pilots (was SQ222 Diversion)
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 00:26:55 +1000, Vector
wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 wrote: What makes me really jumpy about SQ is the endless stream of bad stories about them. Cabin crew that go to pieces anytime something slightly out of the ordinary happens - useless in any sort of emergency situation. Pilots who never, ever go around or divert, yet are all at least as good as Boeing test pilots (you just ask them). Hmmm - with your faith in Boeing test pilots you must have missed this one then GB .......... "With power going out on one engine of The Boeing's Co.'s historic S-307 Stratoliner and a cockpit warning light showing low fuel pressure in another, Capt. Richard "Buzz" Nelson, a veteran Boeing test pilot, commanded the flight engineer to switch fuel feed to another tank. "There is no other tank," the flight engineer responded. "We are out of fuel." A police officer stands on a boat near the last remaining Stratoliner, which crashed into Elliott Bay off West Seattle last year. Moments later, Nelson radioed "mayday" and the Stratoliner, all four engines out, ditched into Elliott Bay about 50 feet from shore and in view of people eating lunch at nearby Salty's restaurant. None of the four crew members was seriously hurt and the plane, though badly damaged, was recovered from the salt water and is now being restored for the second time. You are a tad behind the times. It HAS BEEN RESTORED, and flew to the Udvar-Hazy Center of the Smithsonian near Dulles International Airport a few weeks ago. It will go on display along with an AF Concorde, the 367-80, commonly known as the Dash 80 707 prototype, The Enola Gay (dropped the first atomic Bomb) and wide range of other rare and historic aircraft when it opens in December., |
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SIA Crew vs Boeing Test Pilots (was SQ222 Diversion)
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 02:57:23 -0700, matt weber
wrote: You are a tad behind the times. Ohh C-R-R-R-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-P!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It HAS BEEN RESTORED, OF COURSE IT BLOODY WELL HAS YOU ILL-MANNERED JERK! AS THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS - IT HAD HUGE PUBLICITY IN BOTH AVIATION AND GENERAL MEDIA AND WAS AT OSHKOSH. BUT THE THREAD WAS NOT ABOUT THAT ANYWAY IF YOU"D PAID ATTENTION FOOL. AIR YOUR LIMITED KNOWLEDGE IF YOU MUST WEBER - BUT DON"T COME SWANNING IN HERE SHOUTING GLEEFULLY AS IF YOU ALONE ARE PRIVY TO THE AIRCRAFTS ULTIMATE WHEREABOUTS. SO PULL YOUR F&CKIN HEAD IN and stop shouting Weber. For anyone else with an interest in vintage aviation - http://www.nasm.si.edu/nasm/pa/nasmnews/pr/080603.htm And an account of it's final flight........... "Making the most of a triumphant final flight, the Boeing 307 Stratoliner floated softly to earth at Dulles International Airport yesterday like a piece of silver confetti to take its place in the Smithsonian Institution as one of the world's pioneering aircraft. The Stratoliner's flight to the acclaimed Air and Space Museum was the climax of a painstaking and occasionally bumpy ride for the carefully restored 1940s-era plane, which secured its place in history by becoming the first pressurized commercial aircraft. In between, it endured a time in an Arizona boneyard, a difficult restoration and, in June 2002, an embarrassing dip into Elliott Bay. And fittingly, its arrival at the Smithsonian was delayed a day because of bad weather. All the hardship was forgotten yesterday as the plane taxied to a stop and was greeted with applause and broad smiles. "It's a fantastic, beautiful airplane. It led the way for what we take for granted now," said senior pilot Buzz Nelson, who flew the plane on its final leg from Pittsburgh, skimming the runway at 400 feet on a final flyover before bringing the glistening silver plane to rest. "We had to preserve this airplane," said Smithsonian aviation curator Robert van der Linden. "It's the only one of its kind left. Every airliner you've been on owes its existence to this airplane. It's an artifact." The Smithsonian took ownership of the plane in 1972, but museum officials credited The Boeing Co. with restoring the plane, stepping in just in time to keep it from becoming a fire bomber or crop duster. It took nine years to finish but the plane now appears the same "as it looked the day it rolled off the assembly line more than 60 years ago," the Smithsonian said. "It looked like a haunted house. Fabric was torn. Tubing was everywhere. I looked at it and said, 'Do we really want to fly this?' " Pat DeRoberts of Olympia, one of three pilots certified to fly the plane, said, looking back to 1994, when Boeing volunteers went to Arizona to bring the plane back to Seattle. If not for Boeing, van der Linden said, it would have been "decades" before the Smithsonian could have finished the restoration. Smithsonian officials were thrilled with the arrival and promptly parked the stubby four-engine plane nose-to-tail behind an Air France Concorde. Both planes are destined to be featured attractions at the museum's new Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center, which will open in December. The two planes virtually encompass the history of commercial air travel. Eventually, the sprawling new facility adjacent to Dulles will house 200 airplanes that provide a sweep of aviation history. Museum officials say more than 3 million people will visit the facility each year. The Stratoliner, dubbed the Clipper Flying Cloud and carrying the insignia of Pan Am, will be displayed at ground level along with such notable aircraft as a space shuttle and the SR-71 spy plane. By those standards, the Stratoliner might seem out of place. But curators and aviation buffs said the plane deserves recognition. The plane delivered yesterday entered service in 1940 for Pan Am, serving the Caribbean. It carried 33 passengers and a crew of five in a level of luxury that is long past. It includes wide seats that can be converted into beds as well as wood paneling and a vanity. Such amenities were necessary for its passengers, who were among the nation's richest and most elite. A ticket from Miami to South America cost $12,000 in today's dollars. Because it was pressurized, it could cruise at 25,000 feet, avoiding the heavy weather that prompted airsickness and the public's hesitation about flying. It also allowed the plane to fly faster and on a more predictable schedule. During World War II, it flew to South America under the direction of the U.S. Army Air Force. After the war, it passed through the hands of several owners, and once served as a presidential plane for Haitian dictator Francois "Papa Doc" Duvalier. "There is an incredible amount of nostalgia," Nelson said of the flight, which began in Seattle on July 27 and included stops in Oshkosh, Wis., and Pittsburgh. "It's like a time machine." " From the Seattle P-I And anybody who has read this far would undoubtedly enjoy another evocative account - long - here http://www.davidborys.com/archives/000092.html |
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