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Magda wrote:
[...] Too optimist for my own good... Too *optimistic.* -- dgs |
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On 22/04/05 7:52, in article ,
"Magda" wrote: On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:22:25 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, dgs arranged some electrons, so they looked like this : ... Magda wrote: ... ... [...] ... ... Too optimist for my own good... ... ... Too *optimistic.* I'm an optimist. The attitude is maybe optimistic. The issue of the Saudi brothers is key. They were on an American terrorist list because they had taken flight training in the USA (a lot of Saudis have, legitimately). One issue is if they people are authentically dangerous why are they free, the Saudi Government can be hard on these people. The other possibility is that people get on the no-fly list (30,000 are) for both good and poor reasons, the list is possibly a catch-all. The news yesterday revealed the following item-- It reminds one of I found the actual quote as follows: "Tuez-les tous; Dieu reconnaitra les siens." Arnaud-Amaury, Abbot of Citeaux, 1209, when asked what to do with the citizens of Beziers who were a mixture of Catholics and Cathars. Earl **** Muslims sue US homeland security over border detentions www.chinaview.cn 2005-04-21 16:22:29 ****BEIJING, April 21 -- Five Muslim-Americans have sued the US Homeland Security Department alleging racial profiling. ****They say it happened when they were detained and fingerprinted by border agents after returning from a religious conference in Canada. ****The three men and two w omen say they were held, along with dozens of other US Muslims, for more than six hours and interrogated, photographed and fingerprinted against their will in December last year. ****The lawsuit alleges that the plaintiffs were singled out after telling customs officials they had attended a "Reviving the Islamic Spirit" conference in Toronto. ****The annual Islamic conference draws thousands of Muslims from Canada, the United States and overseas. ****The suit charges that the government violated the group's constitutional rights to practice religion and performed unlawful searches. ****Donna Lieberman is executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, which is helping represent the plaintiffs. ****She says the lawsuit is not about money damages, but about vindicating individual rights. ****"What the government did here is a clear case of profiling, ethnic and religious profiling, which is antithetical to core American values and which is never okay," Donna Lieberman*said.* ****Arsalan Iftikhar is National Legal Director for the Council on American-Islamic Relations. ****He's condemning what he calls "over-zealous and counter-productive ethnic and religious profiling". ****He says it's encouraged by government security policies in the wake of the September 11th attacks. ****"Unfortunately, again, it seems that in the post-9/11 world that we live in today, American Muslims are guilty until proven innocent," Arsalan Iftikhar*said.* ****One of the plaintiffs, Sawsaan Tabbaa, an orthodontist from New York, says the experience at the border crossing was the most humiliating she has ever gone through. ****Tabbaa refused to be digitally fingerprinted on the grounds that she had done nothing wrong, but was physically forced into compliance. ****Tabbaa said, "It was unbelievable. I am proud of being American but I couldn't believe my eyes something like this could happen." ****U.S. Customs and Border Protection defends the actions, saying that its priority mission is to prevent terrorists and their weapons from entering this country. ****In the past, the agency has denied the use of profiling at the borders but says intelligence has shown that conferences similar to the one in Toronto have been used by terrorist organizations. |
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"Earl Evleth" a écrit dans le message de news: ... On 22/04/05 7:52, in article , "Magda" wrote: On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:22:25 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, dgs arranged some electrons, so they looked like this : ... Magda wrote: ... ... [...] ... ... Too optimist for my own good... ... ... Too *optimistic.* I'm an optimist. The attitude is maybe optimistic. The issue of the Saudi brothers is key. They were on an American terrorist list because they had taken flight training in the USA (a lot of Saudis have, legitimately). One issue is if they people are authentically dangerous why are they free, the Saudi Government can be hard on these people. The other possibility is that people get on the no-fly list (30,000 are) for both good and poor reasons, the list is possibly a catch-all. The news yesterday revealed the following item-- It reminds one of I found the actual quote as follows: "Tuez-les tous; Dieu reconnaitra les siens." Arnaud-Amaury, Abbot of Citeaux, 1209, when asked what to do with the citizens of Beziers who were a mixture of Catholics and Cathars. Earl **** Muslims sue US homeland security over border detentions www.chinaview.cn 2005-04-21 16:22:29 BEIJING, April 21 -- Five Muslim-Americans have sued the US Homeland Security Department alleging racial profiling. They say it happened when they were detained and fingerprinted by border agents after returning from a religious conference in Canada. The three men and two w omen say they were held, along with dozens of other US Muslims, for more than six hours and interrogated, photographed and fingerprinted against their will in December last year. The lawsuit alleges that the plaintiffs were singled out after telling customs officials they had attended a "Reviving the Islamic Spirit" conference in Toronto. The annual Islamic conference draws thousands of Muslims from Canada, the United States and overseas. The suit charges that the government violated the group's constitutional rights to practice religion and performed unlawful searches. Donna Lieberman is executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, which is helping represent the plaintiffs. She says the lawsuit is not about money damages, but about vindicating individual rights. "What the government did here is a clear case of profiling, ethnic and religious profiling, which is antithetical to core American values and which is never okay," Donna Lieberman said. Arsalan Iftikhar is National Legal Director for the Council on American-Islamic Relations. He's condemning what he calls "over-zealous and counter-productive ethnic and religious profiling". He says it's encouraged by government security policies in the wake of the September 11th attacks. "Unfortunately, again, it seems that in the post-9/11 world that we live in today, American Muslims are guilty until proven innocent," Arsalan Iftikhar said. One of the plaintiffs, Sawsaan Tabbaa, an orthodontist from New York, says the experience at the border crossing was the most humiliating she has ever gone through. Tabbaa refused to be digitally fingerprinted on the grounds that she had done nothing wrong, but was physically forced into compliance. Tabbaa said, "It was unbelievable. I am proud of being American but I couldn't believe my eyes something like this could happen." U.S. Customs and Border Protection defends the actions, saying that its priority mission is to prevent terrorists and their weapons from entering this country. In the past, the agency has denied the use of profiling at the borders but says intelligence has shown that conferences similar to the one in Toronto have been used by terrorist organizations. |
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"Earl Evleth" a écrit dans le message de news: ... On 22/04/05 7:52, in article , "Magda" wrote: On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:22:25 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, dgs arranged some electrons, so they looked like this : ... Magda wrote: ... ... [...] ... ... Too optimist for my own good... ... ... Too *optimistic.* I'm an optimist. The attitude is maybe optimistic. The issue of the Saudi brothers is key. They were on an American terrorist list because they had taken flight training in the USA (a lot of Saudis have, legitimately). One issue is if they people are authentically dangerous why are they free, the Saudi Government can be hard on these people. The other possibility is that people get on the no-fly list (30,000 are) for both good and poor reasons, the list is possibly a catch-all. The news yesterday revealed the following item-- It reminds one of I found the actual quote as follows: "Tuez-les tous; Dieu reconnaitra les siens." Arnaud-Amaury, Abbot of Citeaux, 1209, when asked what to do with the citizens of Beziers who were a mixture of Catholics and Cathars. Earl **** Muslims sue US homeland security over border detentions www.chinaview.cn 2005-04-21 16:22:29 BEIJING, April 21 -- Five Muslim-Americans have sued the US Homeland Security Department alleging racial profiling. They say it happened when they were detained and fingerprinted by border agents after returning from a religious conference in Canada. The three men and two w omen say they were held, along with dozens of other US Muslims, for more than six hours and interrogated, photographed and fingerprinted against their will in December last year. The lawsuit alleges that the plaintiffs were singled out after telling customs officials they had attended a "Reviving the Islamic Spirit" conference in Toronto. The annual Islamic conference draws thousands of Muslims from Canada, the United States and overseas. The suit charges that the government violated the group's constitutional rights to practice religion and performed unlawful searches. Donna Lieberman is executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, which is helping represent the plaintiffs. She says the lawsuit is not about money damages, but about vindicating individual rights. "What the government did here is a clear case of profiling, ethnic and religious profiling, which is antithetical to core American values and which is never okay," Donna Lieberman said. Arsalan Iftikhar is National Legal Director for the Council on American-Islamic Relations. He's condemning what he calls "over-zealous and counter-productive ethnic and religious profiling". He says it's encouraged by government security policies in the wake of the September 11th attacks. "Unfortunately, again, it seems that in the post-9/11 world that we live in today, American Muslims are guilty until proven innocent," Arsalan Iftikhar said. One of the plaintiffs, Sawsaan Tabbaa, an orthodontist from New York, says the experience at the border crossing was the most humiliating she has ever gone through. Tabbaa refused to be digitally fingerprinted on the grounds that she had done nothing wrong, but was physically forced into compliance. Tabbaa said, "It was unbelievable. I am proud of being American but I couldn't believe my eyes something like this could happen." U.S. Customs and Border Protection defends the actions, saying that its priority mission is to prevent terrorists and their weapons from entering this country. In the past, the agency has denied the use of profiling at the borders but says intelligence has shown that conferences similar to the one in Toronto have been used by terrorist organizations. |
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Earl Evleth wrote: On 22/04/05 7:52, in article , "Magda" wrote: On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:22:25 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, dgs arranged some electrons, so they looked like this : ... Magda wrote: ... ... [...] ... ... Too optimist for my own good... ... ... Too *optimistic.* I'm an optimist. The attitude is maybe optimistic. The issue of the Saudi brothers is key. They were on an American terrorist list because they had taken flight training ..(insert)..with Muhammed Atta...(end insert) in the USA (a lot of Saudis have, legitimately). One issue is if they people are authentically dangerous why are they free, the Saudi Government can be hard on these people. The other possibility is that people get on the no-fly list (30,000 are) for both good and poor reasons, the list is possibly a catch-all. The news yesterday revealed the following item-- It reminds one of I found the actual quote as follows: "Tuez-les tous; Dieu reconnaitra les siens." Arnaud-Amaury, Abbot of Citeaux, 1209, when asked what to do with the citizens of Beziers who were a mixture of Catholics and Cathars. Earl **** Muslims sue US homeland security over border detentions www.chinaview.cn 2005-04-21 16:22:29 BEIJING, April 21 -- Five Muslim-Americans have sued the US Homeland Security Department alleging racial profiling. They say it happened when they were detained and fingerprinted by border agents after returning from a religious conference in Canada. The three men and two w omen say they were held, along with dozens of other US Muslims, for more than six hours and interrogated, photographed and fingerprinted against their will in December last year. The lawsuit alleges that the plaintiffs were singled out after telling customs officials they had attended a "Reviving the Islamic Spirit" conference in Toronto. The annual Islamic conference draws thousands of Muslims from Canada, the United States and overseas. The suit charges that the government violated the group's constitutional rights to practice religion and performed unlawful searches. Donna Lieberman is executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, which is helping represent the plaintiffs. She says the lawsuit is not about money damages, but about vindicating individual rights. "What the government did here is a clear case of profiling, ethnic and religious profiling, which is antithetical to core American values and which is never okay," Donna Lieberman said. Arsalan Iftikhar is National Legal Director for the Council on American-Islamic Relations. He's condemning what he calls "over-zealous and counter-productive ethnic and religious profiling". He says it's encouraged by government security policies in the wake of the September 11th attacks. "Unfortunately, again, it seems that in the post-9/11 world that we live in today, American Muslims are guilty until proven innocent," Arsalan Iftikhar said. One of the plaintiffs, Sawsaan Tabbaa, an orthodontist from New York, says the experience at the border crossing was the most humiliating she has ever gone through. Tabbaa refused to be digitally fingerprinted on the grounds that she had done nothing wrong, but was physically forced into compliance. Tabbaa said, "It was unbelievable. I am proud of being American but I couldn't believe my eyes something like this could happen." U.S. Customs and Border Protection defends the actions, saying that its priority mission is to prevent terrorists and their weapons from entering this country. In the past, the agency has denied the use of profiling at the borders but says intelligence has shown that conferences similar to the one in Toronto have been used by terrorist organizations. |
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Earl Evleth wrote: On 22/04/05 7:52, in article , "Magda" wrote: On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:22:25 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, dgs arranged some electrons, so they looked like this : ... Magda wrote: ... ... [...] ... ... Too optimist for my own good... ... ... Too *optimistic.* I'm an optimist. The attitude is maybe optimistic. The issue of the Saudi brothers is key. They were on an American terrorist list because they had taken flight training ..(insert)..with Muhammed Atta...(end insert) in the USA (a lot of Saudis have, legitimately). One issue is if they people are authentically dangerous why are they free, the Saudi Government can be hard on these people. The other possibility is that people get on the no-fly list (30,000 are) for both good and poor reasons, the list is possibly a catch-all. The news yesterday revealed the following item-- It reminds one of I found the actual quote as follows: "Tuez-les tous; Dieu reconnaitra les siens." Arnaud-Amaury, Abbot of Citeaux, 1209, when asked what to do with the citizens of Beziers who were a mixture of Catholics and Cathars. Earl **** Muslims sue US homeland security over border detentions www.chinaview.cn 2005-04-21 16:22:29 BEIJING, April 21 -- Five Muslim-Americans have sued the US Homeland Security Department alleging racial profiling. They say it happened when they were detained and fingerprinted by border agents after returning from a religious conference in Canada. The three men and two w omen say they were held, along with dozens of other US Muslims, for more than six hours and interrogated, photographed and fingerprinted against their will in December last year. The lawsuit alleges that the plaintiffs were singled out after telling customs officials they had attended a "Reviving the Islamic Spirit" conference in Toronto. The annual Islamic conference draws thousands of Muslims from Canada, the United States and overseas. The suit charges that the government violated the group's constitutional rights to practice religion and performed unlawful searches. Donna Lieberman is executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, which is helping represent the plaintiffs. She says the lawsuit is not about money damages, but about vindicating individual rights. "What the government did here is a clear case of profiling, ethnic and religious profiling, which is antithetical to core American values and which is never okay," Donna Lieberman said. Arsalan Iftikhar is National Legal Director for the Council on American-Islamic Relations. He's condemning what he calls "over-zealous and counter-productive ethnic and religious profiling". He says it's encouraged by government security policies in the wake of the September 11th attacks. "Unfortunately, again, it seems that in the post-9/11 world that we live in today, American Muslims are guilty until proven innocent," Arsalan Iftikhar said. One of the plaintiffs, Sawsaan Tabbaa, an orthodontist from New York, says the experience at the border crossing was the most humiliating she has ever gone through. Tabbaa refused to be digitally fingerprinted on the grounds that she had done nothing wrong, but was physically forced into compliance. Tabbaa said, "It was unbelievable. I am proud of being American but I couldn't believe my eyes something like this could happen." U.S. Customs and Border Protection defends the actions, saying that its priority mission is to prevent terrorists and their weapons from entering this country. In the past, the agency has denied the use of profiling at the borders but says intelligence has shown that conferences similar to the one in Toronto have been used by terrorist organizations. |
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