French poll on Bush`s re-election

I think it might be of concern to people traveling to
Europe whether anti-Americanism will be increasing
with the re-election of Bush. Up to now, Europeans
have blamed only Bush for what Bush does, but now
come the confirmation that a proportion of the
American public are also "Bushes". There have been
no polls since the election yet to detect this,
before the election it did not exist. Something like
70% of French had a positive attitude towards
iAmericans. Even that figure is a drop from higher
figures, in the 80% before Bush appeared on the scene.
I suspect the 70% will be dropping. Of course,
Francophobia in the US has been greater than
the anti-Americanism in France but Americans
don`t normally take account of that.

Le Parisien said 65% thought that his re-election
is a bad thing (30% "very bad", 35% "somewhat bad".
In another question 74% though it would not
"improve" Franco-American relationships. Only 7%
thought things might get worse.

The French have not yet realized that Bush`s election does promote
the march towards liberating Europe from American "control"

Earl

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Réélection de George W. Bush: "une mauvaise chose" pour 65% des Français
07h52 - 04/11/04


PARIS (AFP) - La réélection de George W. Bush à la présidence des Etats-Unis
est "une mauvaise chose" pour 65% des Français, selon un sondage de
l'institut CSA paru dans le Parisien/Aujourd'hui en France de jeudi.

Seulement 23% des personnes interrogées pensent que la victoire du président
républicain sortant est au contraire "une bonne chose", 12% étant sans
opinion.

Concernant l'avenir des relations entre les Etats-Unis et la France, près de
trois Français sur quatre (74%) estiment qu'elles ne vont "pas changer", 12%
s'attendent à les voir "s'améliorer", 7% prévoient qu'elles vont
"s'aggraver" et 7% ne se prononcent pas. Ce sondage CSA a été réalisé le 3
novembre par téléphone auprès d'un échantillon représentatif de 780
personnes âgées de 15 ans et plus, selon la méthode des quotas.

Le président Jacques Chirac a félicité mercredi le président américain pour
sa réélection et a dit espérer que son second mandat "sera l'occasion de
renforcer l'amitié franco-américaine" et le partenariat transatlantique.

Pour l'UDF, le PS et le PCF - partisans déclarés de John Kerry durant la
campagne - une "Europe forte" serait la meilleure réponse à la réélection du
président sortant.

Pour leur part, les quotidiens français de jeudi laissent poindre
l'inquiétude que leur inspire la réélection de George W. Bush et plusieurs
insistent sur la nécessité pour la France et l'Europe d'ouvrir une nouvelle
ère dans leurs relations avec les Etats-Unis.

Tous les quotidiens font leur Une sur le 44ème président américain dont le
Figaro constate "le triomphe". Beaucoup de titres laissent percer de
l'amertume. Pour Libération, "l'empire empire". L'Humanité prévoit un "sale
temps pour le monde". C'est "Bush repetita", ironise France Soir.

Les commentaires des éditorialistes dépassent le simple dépit et
s'interrogent sur l'avenir des relations transatlantiques qui sont forcément
appelées à évoluer même si, comme le constate La Tribune, "l'espoir d'un
apaisement des contentieux à la faveur d'une victoire démocrate s'envole".
Il faudra donc faire avec, semblent penser nombre de commentateurs.

"Une nouvelle majorité réactionnaire, rassemblée autour de Bush par un
réflexe légitimiste de temps de guerre, a cimenté son emprise sur la
démocratie en Amérique. Le reste du monde peut le déplorer, mais devra
s'adapter à cette réalité", écrit Patrick Sabatier dans Libération. "Il
serait temps d'en prendre acte et d'ouvrir une nouvelle étape dans nos
relations avec l'Amérique", souligne Pierre Rousselin dans le Figaro.

"Peut-être le temps est-il venu, pour nous, d'envisager la relation avec
l'Amérique d'une manière moins méprisante +intellectuellement+", se demande
Jacques Camus dans La République du Centre.

Jacques Guyon, dans La Charente Libre, formule l'espoir que George W. Bush
"tendra la main à une Europe considérée non comme vassale mais comme
alliée". Joseph Limagne fait preuve d'optimisme dans Ouest-France en voulant
croire qu'"un second mandat n'est jamais identique au premier".

Pour Gilles Dauxerre, dans La Provence, "c'est en grande partie à l'Europe
qu'il revient d'offrir une alternative crédible à cette Amérique "bushiste"
tentée par un nouvel impérialisme".

Quelle que soit ce que Les Echos appelle "la nouvelle légitimité" de George
W. Bush, "cela n'interdira pas plus que par le passé de contester sa vision
du monde, de l'histoire, et le rôle religieux qu'il s'attribue", insiste
Bruno Frappat dans La Croix.

Claude Cabanes prévient d'ailleurs dans L'Humanité que "ce serait une
naïveté de la part des dirigeants de la Maison-Blanche d'imaginer que tous
les peuples de la terre resteront, comme des observateurs enchaînés, l'arme
au pied face à la guerre et à la misère américaines".

On 4 Nov 2004 02:56:10 -0800, Earl wrote:
I think it might be of concern to people traveling to
Europe whether anti-Americanism will be increasing
with the re-election of Bush.

Since many of us don't travel in winter (for vacation, anyway), the real
question on some American minds may be the environment to expect next
summer.

We'd been planning on travelling along the coast - Belgium & Brittany. I
suspect that by that time some of the initial shock will have worn off and
things will be pretty much back to normal.

Anyone disagree?

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-BB-
To reply to me, drop the attitude (from my e-mail address, at least)

On 4 Nov 2004 02:56:10 -0800, Earl wrote:
I think it might be of concern to people traveling to
Europe whether anti-Americanism will be increasing
with the re-election of Bush.

Since many of us don't travel in winter (for vacation, anyway), the real
question on some American minds may be the environment to expect next
summer.

We'd been planning on travelling along the coast - Belgium & Brittany. I
suspect that by that time some of the initial shock will have worn off and
things will be pretty much back to normal.

Anyone disagree?

--
-BB-
To reply to me, drop the attitude (from my e-mail address, at least)

BB wrote:
On 4 Nov 2004 02:56:10 -0800, Earl wrote:
I think it might be of concern to people traveling to
Europe whether anti-Americanism will be increasing
with the re-election of Bush.

Since many of us don't travel in winter (for vacation, anyway), the real
question on some American minds may be the environment to expect next
summer.

We'd been planning on travelling along the coast - Belgium & Brittany. I
suspect that by that time some of the initial shock will have worn off and
things will be pretty much back to normal.

Anyone disagree?

I disagree with the premise that there is anything to worry about in the
first place.

miguel
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Hit The Road! Photos from 32 countries on 5 continents: http://travel.u.nu

BB wrote:
On 4 Nov 2004 02:56:10 -0800, Earl wrote:
I think it might be of concern to people traveling to
Europe whether anti-Americanism will be increasing
with the re-election of Bush.

Since many of us don't travel in winter (for vacation, anyway), the real
question on some American minds may be the environment to expect next
summer.

We'd been planning on travelling along the coast - Belgium & Brittany. I
suspect that by that time some of the initial shock will have worn off and
things will be pretty much back to normal.

Anyone disagree?

I disagree with the premise that there is anything to worry about in the
first place.

miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos from 32 countries on 5 continents: http://travel.u.nu

I agree with Miguel. Beeee coooool.

Since at least when I first went to Europe nearly 30 years ago
disgruntled idiots over there have been complaining about American
Presidents, foreign policy, domestic policy, technical advantage,
business advantage, and just about anything else their petty jealous
minds can think up. It is classless. Many of them would give their left
anything to live in the USA. I lived in Holland when it was politic to
deride the "peanut President" Jimmy Carter. It really wasn't so fierce
when Ronald Reagan was President and I lived in Paris.

Just tell the people you meet that you are from California and see the
attitude change. Let's go surfin' now.

BTW Earl, thanks for keeping us posted on the views of the French hoi
polloi, I think. Maybe we care.

John Bermont

Miguel Cruz wrote:
BB wrote:

On 4 Nov 2004 02:56:10 -0800, Earl wrote:

I think it might be of concern to people traveling to
Europe whether anti-Americanism will be increasing
with the re-election of Bush.

Since many of us don't travel in winter (for vacation, anyway), the real
question on some American minds may be the environment to expect next
summer.

We'd been planning on travelling along the coast - Belgium & Brittany. I
suspect that by that time some of the initial shock will have worn off and
things will be pretty much back to normal.

Anyone disagree?


I disagree with the premise that there is anything to worry about in the
first place.

miguel

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"John Bermont" wrote in message
...
I agree with Miguel. Beeee coooool.

Since at least when I first went to Europe nearly 30 years ago
disgruntled idiots over there have been complaining about American
Presidents, foreign policy, domestic policy, technical advantage,
business advantage, and just about anything else their petty jealous
minds can think up. It is classless. Many of them would give their left
anything to live in the USA.

Not in my experience. Most of the French, as well as the British and
Australian people residing here that I have spoken with do not even want to
travel to the US, let alone live there, given the current political climate.
And when I lived in Spain in the 80's and early 90's, I found that the
Spanish loved living in their country, finding the politics of the US
largely repugnant.

I've never known any French people who disliked Americans because of Bush's
actions, but now it is seems confirmed that the majority of Americans
actually favour his agenda.

Interesting that the TV channel Arte showed Wag the Dog right before the
elections.

Lana

"John Bermont" wrote in message
...
I agree with Miguel. Beeee coooool.

Since at least when I first went to Europe nearly 30 years ago
disgruntled idiots over there have been complaining about American
Presidents, foreign policy, domestic policy, technical advantage,
business advantage, and just about anything else their petty jealous
minds can think up. It is classless. Many of them would give their left
anything to live in the USA.

Not in my experience. Most of the French, as well as the British and
Australian people residing here that I have spoken with do not even want to
travel to the US, let alone live there, given the current political climate.
And when I lived in Spain in the 80's and early 90's, I found that the
Spanish loved living in their country, finding the politics of the US
largely repugnant.

I've never known any French people who disliked Americans because of Bush's
actions, but now it is seems confirmed that the majority of Americans
actually favour his agenda.

Interesting that the TV channel Arte showed Wag the Dog right before the
elections.

Lana

There was a poll in France
70% for John Kerry
8% for Ralph Nader
4% for Georges Bush
no comments !!

There was a poll in France
70% for John Kerry
8% for Ralph Nader
4% for Georges Bush
no comments !!