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"Greg Mossman" wrote in message ... "chilly" wrote in message newsoUKd.205672$8l.37695@pd7tw1no... (snip) I like all types of food just not that are likely to cause intestinal problems for the duration of the holiday and possibly much more serious including hepatitis. Get your shots then. It's easy enough to do. (snip) Obviously someone as practical as Marior would never subject his family to needles. Vacations are supposed to be fun, aren't they? good point..... BTW, did your Honduran malaria go away yet? Yikes! It's nice and sunny here today but I can't leave home because of West Nile Virus heh, I know I'm just giving you material to work with here but where I live West Nile is a new thing and they recommend: "that you don't make contact with mosquitoes" uh, OK, but uh, they keep chasing me?!? Mosquitoes here fortunately are big enough that you hear them coming in like dive bombers but nothing works on the paleolithic buggers. They appear to just associate muskol with a human blood appetizer now.. and the high crime rate in Los Angeles County. I can look out the windows, though. All those crazy people jogging by, risking twisting an ankle and getting hit by a car. Besides, what virus would want to live in my liver? Its stocked up on preventative Tequila based vaccine? |
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"Marior" wrote in message
news:TPaLd.222874$6l.120449@pd7tw2no... Its stocked up on preventative Tequila based vaccine? The same disinfectant that 9 out of 10 doctors and hospitals recommend. (I tried drinking Betadine once but it was terrible) |
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"Marior" wrote in message
news:RVbLd.222231$8l.208540@pd7tw1no... Nope, just naive tourists like you and the rest of the cruisers. When you leave the safety and seclusion of your all-inclusive or you get off the boat, you impinge on the rest of us. Let me know how to do some more impinging... anything other than dark socks? Crowding the sidewalks really ****es me off. Actually any sort of tourist crowding ****es me off. Stop the damn crowding. If I want to be crowded I'll travel to Asia. Statistically, thats highly probable. I could go to Columbia for vacation and have a astronomically high probability of getting out. That said some places are still just riskier than others. As are some actions, like bicycling. Apology accepted. knew you'd say that. I could have rejected your apology but I was trying to show you what a nice guy I really am. heh, we have decidedly different takes on the stay away levels... now I'm kinda wondering whether say Columbia, Indonesia, have any decent dive ops you've frequented? Indonesia? Heck yeah, but I haven't made it over there yet. That's for next year. In 2004 I merely braved the terrorism and tsunamis of southern Thailand and drove cross-country (no bicycles for me) and walked around the streets of Quito, Ecuador late at night where the submachinegun-carrying police also have Rottweilers on chains that growl and lunge at you as you pass by. Also a trip to the dangerous jungles of Los Cabos, MX where I actually drove there too, risking bandits and insurgents to dive up at Cabo Pulmo, a 2-hour drive away. I did get lost on the way back, turning the wrong way at the junction town of La Ribera, and when a sinister little school pointed out the way it turned out to be the wrong way. I could have been killed had she been wrapped in high explosives as a booby-trap for unsuspecting tourists like me or lured me into the insurgent's den. Instead I soon realized my mistake, retraced my steps, and soon found the highway back to my treacherous non AI hotel. The scariest moment was when I cracked open a cold beer to mellow me for the long drive back and about halfway down I ingested some chunks. There's nothing scarier than finding chunks in your beer. I immediately rolled down the window and spat them out, but I couldn't get that chunky taste out of my mouth no matter how much beer I drank. On this one it turns out you're right. I'm always right. Nah, its relatively safe, certainly safer than mexico Mexico is a big country. There are plenty of places within Mexico that are much safer than Waikiki. http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/murder.html#world Skewed by border and Mexico City crime. Not a reality in the tourist areas, all-inclusive or not. Turns out Honolulu is the safest city in America in regards to the stat I'm most concerned about. Homicide. Hawaii as a state is also about as *murderous* as Iowa, New Hampshire, and Idaho. Exactly what I figured. This is highly consistent with my view on Hawaii feeling like a relatively safe place Greg. Any rebuttal? Homicide rates are so low anyway as to be statistically nothing to worry about. You're much more likely to be victimized by thieves and Hawaii has one of the highest larceny rates in the U.S. Homicide is very, very, very unlikely even if you're walking around bad areas of Mexico City late at night and you wouldn't be doing that. It's practically non-existent in much of the country. Greg, given some of this please explain where, how, I was wrong before. Compare crime rates of, say, Ixtapa or Manzanillo, versus crime rates in Honolulu. That's how you were wrong. Generalizing a localized problem to an entire country. what with all the drugs and hookers walking around. You may prefer to expose your family to drugs and hookers instead of the Catholic values of a small picturesque Mexican village. That's fair. Until this point I was taking you somewhat seriously but its clear you've been pulling my leg... For the sake of your argument I'd certainly hope thats what you were doing. You can just say yes.... Mexico? Prostitution? Picturesque? The very many prostitutes there are certainly not picturesque, Very many prostitutes? Where do you hang out in Mexico where you see lots of prostitutes? I've never seen so many streetwalkers in one place as in Waikiki Beach on a Friday night. Mexican prostitutes aren't tramping around the main streets of rural villages, they're segregated into brothels and strip clubs where you hopefully don't take your children. Though apparently they've cleaned up their act a bit: "Prostitutes were once a common sight along Kalakaua and Kuhio avenues until the state Legislature passed a law in 1998 that allowed judges to impose so-called geographic restrictions to keep them out of Waikiki from 6 p.m. to 6 a.m." I don't think I've walked along Kalakaua late at night since 1992. Still, "while prostitution has decreased in Waikiki, Honolulu police say they have investigated triple the number of offenses in neighboring District 1. From January to June, police logged 45 prostitution offenses in Waikiki while handling 137 prostitution offenses in District 1, which primarily covers the area through downtown Honolulu from Liliha to Punahou streets." http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar.../ln/ln05a.html Plenty I'd bet. but its a risk I'll take.... hiking is clearly my drug of choice. A landslide or maybe concealed lavatube or whatever can happen in certain locations but other than that I'm sure footed enough not to take the quick elevator down the cliff. Landslides happen all the time. Hawaii is blessed with some sheer dropoffs and the trails skirting them are very eroded. I got freaked out hiking out of the Red Sand Beach in Hana when it started to rain hard. Didn't a whole bunch of tourists get killed just a few years ago when a big rock fell on their heads? "Hikers crushed by boulders at park in Oahu -- HAUULA, Hawaii (AP-Staff) - Rescuers using heat-seeking cameras and military search dogs failed to find any more bodies yesterday in tonnes of debris left by a weekend landslide that killed at least six people and injured dozens of others." http://www.highbeam.com/library/doc0... word=&teaser= That was in May of 1999 while I was in Maui on my honeymoon. I can't believe you subject your family to such a dangerous activity. Heh, cycling here is no picnic either and point taken. Risk in everything and lots in cycling. There were more tourists killed hiking on the tiny island of Oahu in May of 1999 then were killed that month in the entire country of Mexico. How's about that. I guess timing is everything. |
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 04:39:05 GMT, "chilly"
wrote: .... Great shots. What kind of camera do you use? Thank you. - Camera is a digital Nikon CP5700, some shots with an Olympus 0 .7 wide angle converter added. I used a monopod for the telephoto shots of surfers and for longer exposures in the low light jungles. I then cropped and adjusted them in PhotoShop. But good pictures also come from the 200 or so that are not shown. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + The News Guy(Mike) - Seinfeld Lists + (two mirrored sites) + http://membres.lycos.fr/tnguym + http://wave.prohosting.com/tnguym NOWTHISWORKS + All things Seinfeld; scripts, trivia, lists, +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ |
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 04:46:17 GMT, "eeo"
wrote: .... And Kuhio is still a good place to rent "a friend." ;^) If I had only known. LOL +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + The News Guy(Mike) - Seinfeld Lists + (two mirrored sites) + http://membres.lycos.fr/tnguym + http://wave.prohosting.com/tnguym NOWTHISWORKS + All things Seinfeld; scripts, trivia, lists, +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ |
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"Greg Mossman" wrote in message ... "Todd H." wrote in message ... Unfortunately economics got involved and I cut my vacation back and simplified a bit. I was able to find a package that dropped me on Maui for 10 days at the Ritz Carlton including airfare from Chicago for less than $4k total for 2. Comparing with other hotels and even remotely as nice places, I couldn't muster a lower number. The Ritz-Carlton is obviously much more comfortable than a condo. Why would this be so? Even if you have a suite, there's more room in a condo. And you don't have to eat in those expensive bad restaurants, which are much the majority in Hawaii. And condos may be very nicely decorated with views of the ocean. I don't know what the pool's like at the Ritz Carlton; it may be better. Marianne |
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"Mimi" wrote in message
... Why would this be so? Even if you have a suite, there's more room in a condo. And you don't have to eat in those expensive bad restaurants, which are much the majority in Hawaii. And condos may be very nicely decorated with views of the ocean. I don't know what the pool's like at the Ritz Carlton; it may be better. Bad restaurants in Maui? Overpriced, perhaps, but certainly not bad. The Big Island has bad restaurants, but you can eat very well in Maui. The Plantation House, up near the Ritz in Kapalua, is one of Maui's best seafood restaurants and has very decent prices. Places like Mama's Fish House and David Paul's are pricier, but rival any of the best food anywhere. Why would you want to cook and wash dishes, take out the trash, set the table, and grocery shop while you're on vacation? I suppose you must make your own bed too. At the Ritz, they make the bed for you. |
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"Greg Mossman" wrote in message ... "Marior" wrote in message news:RVbLd.222231$8l.208540@pd7tw1no... Nope, just naive tourists like you and the rest of the cruisers. When you leave the safety and seclusion of your all-inclusive or you get off the boat, you impinge on the rest of us. Let me know how to do some more impinging... anything other than dark socks? Crowding the sidewalks really ****es me off. Actually any sort of tourist crowding ****es me off. Stop the damn crowding. If I want to be crowded I'll travel to Asia. Agreed actually. I'm spoiled with places I can go whenever I want for seclusion. Its definitely a Canada perk. That said Banff townsite drives me batty. I can only be in certain places for so many hours then.... Statistically, thats highly probable. I could go to Columbia for vacation and have a astronomically high probability of getting out. That said some places are still just riskier than others. As are some actions, like bicycling. Absolutely. I wonder whether we all all make more allowances for risk with activities we each REALLY enjoy. Your love of diving likely makes you consider the quality of dive far before the local politics, stability of the country, risk etc. I've modified some of my biking locales but the risk is still definite. Apology accepted. knew you'd say that. I could have rejected your apology but I was trying to show you what a nice guy I really am. heh, Try harder heh, we have decidedly different takes on the stay away levels... now I'm kinda wondering whether say Columbia, Indonesia, have any decent dive ops you've frequented? Indonesia? Heck yeah, but I haven't made it over there yet. That's for next year. In 2004 I merely braved the terrorism and tsunamis of southern Thailand and drove cross-country (no bicycles for me) and walked around the streets of Quito, Ecuador late at night where the submachinegun-carrying police also have Rottweilers on chains that growl and lunge at you as you pass by. Also a trip to the dangerous jungles of Los Cabos, MX where I actually drove there too, risking bandits and insurgents to dive up at Cabo Pulmo, a 2-hour drive away. I did get lost on the way back, turning the wrong way at the junction town of La Ribera, and when a sinister little school pointed out the way it turned out to be the wrong way. I could have been killed had she been wrapped in high explosives as a booby-trap for unsuspecting tourists like me or lured me into the insurgent's den. Instead I soon realized my mistake, retraced my steps, and soon found the highway back to my treacherous non AI hotel. You get bored easy? The scariest moment was when I cracked open a cold beer to mellow me for the long drive back and about halfway down I ingested some chunks. There's nothing scarier than finding chunks in your beer. I immediately rolled down the window and spat them out, but I couldn't get that chunky taste out of my mouth no matter how much beer I drank. hopefully a different brand... On this one it turns out you're right. I'm always right. I had that feeling Nah, its relatively safe, certainly safer than mexico Mexico is a big country. There are plenty of places within Mexico that are much safer than Waikiki. Thats really still stretching http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/murder.html#world Skewed by border and Mexico City crime. Not a reality in the tourist areas, all-inclusive or not. Ah but you don't know where I would want to go if I went to Mexico. Mexico City is one. Turns out Honolulu is the safest city in America in regards to the stat I'm most concerned about. Homicide. Hawaii as a state is also about as *murderous* as Iowa, New Hampshire, and Idaho. Exactly what I figured. This is highly consistent with my view on Hawaii feeling like a relatively safe place Greg. Any rebuttal? Homicide rates are so low anyway as to be statistically nothing to worry about. I covered that in my last post in reference to making it out of Columbia. Where I differ from you is I still factor the Mexico level as something to pay close attention to. You seem to dismiss it because its highly unlikely. That doesn't dimiss the 100k's of murders that have occurred there. You're much more likely to be victimized by thieves and Hawaii has one of the highest larceny rates in the U.S. Hope you don't mind if I don't take you at face value on that as you've been about as wrong as is possible on many points in the thread thus far. But anyhow, Larcenys not my 1st concern as none of these robber types attempts to jack me personally as theres always an easier target just headed down the road. If it ever did happen the 50 bucks can be readily replaced, my life can't, homicides all I really worry about. Homicide is very, very, very unlikely even if you're walking around bad areas of Mexico City late at night and you wouldn't be doing that. It's practically non-existent in much of the country. Thats akin to saying homicide is practically non-existent in the world today. Its all relative and relatively Mexico is close to the worst in the globe. it exists plenty enough there that it can happen and especially to tourists that can end up going into areas without enough knowledge. Greg, given some of this please explain where, how, I was wrong before. Compare crime rates of, say, Ixtapa or Manzanillo, 1st of all I would rather take my vacation in Saskatoon than go to Ixtapa or Manzanillo or Cancun. Why does anybody go to such contrived 3rd world resorts. I can't stand the idea of going to somewhere that was a pristine beach just recently that was destroyed just to service the go nowhere, see nothing, all inclusive worshippers. Why leave home just to empower the Tourism industry involved in the wrecking of yet another part of the world? If i'm going to a resort I'd prefer something like maybe Acapulco or Puerto Vallarta that wasn't wrecked in my life time where I can actually access some history, some local flavor, some towns. FWIW one of my friends went to Manzanillo just 5 years ago and not a few miles outside of Manzanilllo they were stopped at a highly unauthorized checkpoint that was set up by a drug cartel that was apparently looking to murder the 1st rivals that came along and were amusing themselves in the meanwhile stopping everybody and taking their money at gunpoint. My friend complained to local officials who did nothing to confront the bandits who were stationed there for two full days. My friend investigated and found that everybody locally knew what was going on as it had happened chronically and that the authorities didn't DARE intervene. After experiences the 1st day of the *checkpoint* none of the tourists dared to leave town and my friends spent an entire week in Manzanillo with nothing to do, nowhere to go. Stuck in nowhere Manzanillo. Fun holiday. versus crime rates in Honolulu. That's how you were wrong. Generalizing a localized problem to an entire country. no, not wrong. You ASSUMED where I would go, what I would do, what I was interested in, IF I went to Mexico. I'm right because my preferred areas to go to include Mexico City and Oaxaca both areas that are problematic and I know it. The same year as the friends went to Manzanillo we were gonna do Oaxaca, Mexico City, Merida, and Progresso in the Yucatan and a curiosity visit to Cancun, Cozumel, Tulum, Uxmal, Chichen itza. Merida was to be our prime location and an axis point for exploration of the numerous archeological sites. We had accomodation picked, arrangements made, and backed out. Further to the Manzanillo story someone else I knew had gone to the same sites we were going to go to and reported that they HAD to go on tours because the carjackings, robberies on the roads leading to the sites were so prolific that the tour buses had an armed security person on board. Again not my idea of a great fun time for family. I'd still be interested but maybe later in life. Merida sounds like a real nice place, being that its slightly inland I'm not sure you'd be too familiar with it. Nice Town for a cheap picturesque Mexican holiday though. http://www.virtualmex.com/merida.htm what with all the drugs and hookers walking around. You may prefer to expose your family to drugs and hookers instead of the Catholic values of a small picturesque Mexican village. That's fair. Until this point I was taking you somewhat seriously but its clear you've been pulling my leg... For the sake of your argument I'd certainly hope thats what you were doing. You can just say yes.... Mexico? Prostitution? Picturesque? The very many prostitutes there are certainly not picturesque, Very many prostitutes? Where do you hang out in Mexico where you see lots of prostitutes? I've never seen so many streetwalkers in one place as in Waikiki Beach on a Friday night. Mexican prostitutes aren't tramping around the main streets of rural villages, they're segregated into brothels and strip clubs where you hopefully don't take your children. According to some info that's of an adult nature that I won't link too its 50-50 street/brothel right now. As long as they don't do it right on the street or in public its allowed and streetwalking is flourishing in Mexico. Though apparently they've cleaned up their act a bit: "Prostitutes were once a common sight along Kalakaua and Kuhio avenues until the state Legislature passed a law in 1998 that allowed judges to impose so-called geographic restrictions to keep them out of Waikiki from 6 p.m. to 6 a.m." Not nearly the problem that you describe and so it looks like its been cracked down on well enough. FTR it pales compared to anything we've experienced in say Montreal. Not really my first concern as a family man. kids today are well aware at an early age of everything out there anyway and I see no benefit in providing an insular upbringing to a point the point being for instance exposing them to the wrong end of a gun barrel. I don't think I've walked along Kalakaua late at night since 1992. well there you go Still, "while prostitution has decreased in Waikiki, Honolulu police say they have investigated triple the number of offenses in neighboring District 1. From January to June, police logged 45 prostitution offenses in Waikiki while handling 137 prostitution offenses in District 1, which primarily covers the area through downtown Honolulu from Liliha to Punahou streets." http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar.../ln/ln05a.html sure looks like a problem existed but we noted it mainly in one area when we were down there and we were not effected at all. Its not clear how it really effects me anyhow. The only risk is to Johns and hookers really. Plenty I'd bet. but its a risk I'll take.... hiking is clearly my drug of choice. A landslide or maybe concealed lavatube or whatever can happen in certain locations but other than that I'm sure footed enough not to take the quick elevator down the cliff. Landslides happen all the time. Hawaii is blessed with some sheer dropoffs and the trails skirting them are very eroded. I got freaked out hiking out of the Red Sand Beach in Hana when it started to rain hard. One of the things that freaked me is knowing that hawaii has some of the most rapidly eroding zones on earth, . that ol volcanic rock is always moving dammit! I hear ya! Didn't a whole bunch of tourists get killed just a few years ago when a big rock fell on their heads? "Hikers crushed by boulders at park in Oahu -- HAUULA, Hawaii (AP-Staff) - Rescuers using heat-seeking cameras and military search dogs failed to find any more bodies yesterday in tonnes of debris left by a weekend landslide that killed at least six people and injured dozens of others." http://www.highbeam.com/library/doc0...fid=ink_pubnew s&skeyword=&teaser= That was in May of 1999 while I was in Maui on my honeymoon. Yeah, I think I heard about that one. I had an experince with a landlside on the Road to Hana that was unsettling. Whole road was blocked but they were able to clear just enough to squeeze and I do mean squeeze the rent a car through or spend the night right around there.... our choice. I can't believe you subject your family to such a dangerous activity. I get your point everything has risks but theres something specifically about murder that irks me. Strange that. On the other hand If a meteorite falls on my head as I'm writing this cest la............... |
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"Marior" wrote in message news:TPaLd.222874$6l.120449@pd7tw2no... (snip) heh, I know I'm just giving you material to work with here but where I live West Nile is a new thing and they recommend: "that you don't make contact with mosquitoes" :^) uh, OK, but uh, they keep chasing me?!? Mosquitoes here fortunately are big enough that you hear them coming in like dive bombers but nothing works on the paleolithic buggers. They appear to just associate muskol with a human blood appetizer now.. I was using Muskol while in Roatan. Didn't seem to be doing a thing. I switched to Deep Woods Off and that seemed to work somewhat better. I can't explain it since they both have the same amount of DEET. And for the record, I don't have Roatan malaria (at least not yet that I'm aware of). I did bring home some nasty Roatan cold/flu thing that was going around. There have been some complications since then but now I'm taking supermeds that make me sick as they cure my other symptoms. (snip) |
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"Marior" wrote in message
news:dhkLd.227192$6l.42667@pd7tw2no... Agreed actually. I'm spoiled with places I can go whenever I want for seclusion. Its definitely a Canada perk. That said Banff townsite drives me batty. I can only be in certain places for so many hours then.... I like Banff in the off-season. But in the peak of the summer it gets as crowded as any other tourist hot spot. Absolutely. I wonder whether we all all make more allowances for risk with activities we each REALLY enjoy. Your love of diving likely makes you consider the quality of dive far before the local politics, stability of the country, risk etc. I've modified some of my biking locales but the risk is still definite. Not really. As divers, we learn how to properly gauge risk. Just because a murder rate of .000012 is 4 times higher than a murder rate of .000003, it's still not very likely that I'll be murdered. And many of the statistics can be "avoided" by taking simple precautions. Mexico is a big country. There are plenty of places within Mexico that are much safer than Waikiki. Thats really still stretching Hardly. Ah but you don't know where I would want to go if I went to Mexico. Mexico City is one. You can't compare Waikiki with Mexico City. One is a practically walled-in security-guarded tourist island, the other is the largest city in the world. Compare Waikiki with a popular Mexican tourist beach if you want to be fair. But even Honolulu in general can't compare to Mexico City. But you said "Mexico" and my argument was that much of Mexico is as safe as Hawaii. Since my argument is that Mexico City skews the crime statistics, you simply can't go there. Try again. I covered that in my last post in reference to making it out of Columbia. Where I differ from you is I still factor the Mexico level as something to pay close attention to. You seem to dismiss it because its highly unlikely. That doesn't dimiss the 100k's of murders that have occurred there. But if you take out the Sinaloa corridor (easy to avoid if you don't like the desert), the border zone (easy to avoid if you don't like border zones), and Mexico City (easy to avoid as long as you stay in the airport), you leave a remainder filled with white sand beaches, lush jungles, and mountain forests waiting to be explored. Bicycling isn't going to be as comfortable since the roads will be more potholed, when there are roads, and hiking won't allow you the comfort of a helicopter airlift 15 minutes away accessible by your cell phone, but the potential area left over after avoiding the crime spots which skew the statistics is still thousands (or at least hundreds?) of times the size of Hawaii. Hope you don't mind if I don't take you at face value on that as you've been about as wrong as is possible on many points in the thread thus far. But anyhow, Larcenys not my 1st concern as none of these robber types attempts to jack me personally as theres always an easier target just headed down the road. If it ever did happen the 50 bucks can be readily replaced, my life can't, homicides all I really worry about. Crime is all about easier targets. Don't make yourself an easy target in Hawaii and don't make yourself an easy target in Mexico. It's usually as simple as that. 1st of all I would rather take my vacation in Saskatoon than go to Ixtapa or Manzanillo or Cancun. Why does anybody go to such contrived 3rd world resorts. What's Waikiki Beach? That's what you're comparing it to. Why does anybody go to such contrived 1st world resorts? That's the point of this whole debate, Mr. All-Inclusive. I can't stand the idea of going to somewhere that was a pristine beach just recently that was destroyed just to service the go nowhere, see nothing, all inclusive worshippers. What do you think Waikiki looked like in the 'old days'? Yet you gush over the place. Why leave home just to empower the Tourism industry involved in the wrecking of yet another part of the world? It's hardly up to me to determine how a developing country wants to make money from rich first-worlders like you. Mexico has thousands of miles of undisturbed beaches. Why not carve up a few to make some cash that can boost the economy and provide jobs and infrastructure for their citizens? It's not like we're a great role model. Southern California beaches are relatively much more developed than Mexico's and our water quality is often pitiful. If i'm going to a resort I'd prefer something like maybe Acapulco or Puerto Vallarta that wasn't wrecked in my life time where I can actually access some history, some local flavor, some towns. Oh, I see. Waikiki wasn't wrecked in your lifetime so it's OK to visit now. Your grandchildren will be able to enjoy Cancun and Ixtapa, then? The difference is that PV and Acapulco have been wrecked for so long that they've become cities, meccas for pollution and crime. The newer resorts are still almost pristine. FWIW one of my friends went to Manzanillo just 5 years ago and not a few miles outside of Manzanilllo they were stopped at a highly unauthorized checkpoint that was set up by a drug cartel that was apparently looking to murder the 1st rivals that came along and were amusing themselves in the meanwhile stopping everybody and taking their money at gunpoint. My friend complained to local officials who did nothing to confront the bandits who were stationed there for two full days. My friend investigated and found that everybody locally knew what was going on as it had happened chronically and that the authorities didn't DARE intervene. After experiences the 1st day of the *checkpoint* none of the tourists dared to leave town and my friends spent an entire week in Manzanillo with nothing to do, nowhere to go. Stuck in nowhere Manzanillo. Fun holiday. Sounds fine to me. I've spent weeks at a time on 100' boats with nothing to do, nowhere to go. I've done the same at little resorts in very out-of-the-way places. Perhaps your friends get bored easily? archeological sites. We had accomodation picked, arrangements made, and backed out. Further to the Manzanillo story someone else I knew had gone to the same sites we were going to go to and reported that they HAD to go on tours because the carjackings, robberies on the roads leading to the sites were so prolific that the tour buses had an armed security person on board. Again not my idea of a great fun time for family. Keep them locked up safe inside the walls of the all-inclusive and shelter them from the real world. That's much better for them. Like I said, you should try Disneyland. You'd love it. According to some info that's of an adult nature that I won't link too its 50-50 street/brothel right now. As long as they don't do it right on the street or in public its allowed and streetwalking is flourishing in Mexico. Your information from your porno sites and your all-inclusive friends doesn't impress me. I've been there. Recently. I spent a week in the Los Cabos area a few months ago, covering Cabo San Lucas, San Jose del Cabo, and up the coast to Cabo Pulmo, and I can't say that I saw a single streetwalker there. Two months prior to that, I spent a week based in Cancun, with side trips to Playa del Carmen, Puerto Moreles, and Cozumel, and I can't say that I saw I single streetwalker there. Another five months before that I spent a weekend in Ensenada, driving across the border at Tijuana, and I can't say that I saw a single streetwalker there either. So since you're trying to educate me about somewhere you've never been, somewhere where I visit several times a year, any argument you make just sounds silly. sure looks like a problem existed but we noted it mainly in one area when we were down there and we were not effected at all. Its not clear how it really effects me anyhow. The only risk is to Johns and hookers really. Do you want your family to be walking nearby when one pimp is shooting at another? I can't believe you have so little disregard for your family's welfare. One of the things that freaked me is knowing that hawaii has some of the most rapidly eroding zones on earth, . that ol volcanic rock is always moving dammit! I hear ya! Yeah, whatever, but wet sand erodes even faster and that's what the hillside with the little trail to the Red Sand Beach is made of. Yeah, I think I heard about that one. I had an experince with a landlside on the Road to Hana that was unsettling. Whole road was blocked but they were able to clear just enough to squeeze and I do mean squeeze the rent a car through or spend the night right around there.... our choice. A few feet more and you'd be part of the scenery. But that's an acceptable risk to you. Whatever. I get your point everything has risks but theres something specifically about murder that irks me. Strange that. On the other hand If a meteorite falls on my head as I'm writing this cest la............... Danger of death is danger of death regardless of who's pulling the trigger, a murderer or nature. And irrational fear is still irrational fear. |
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