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  #101  
Old March 3rd, 2004, 02:20 AM
Raffi Balmanoukian
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Default Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide

in article , Nelly at
wrote on 3/2/04 9:12 PM:

On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:52:26 +1300, Tarla
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:40:40 GMT, Raffi Balmanoukian
a wrote:

in article , AKM at
wrote on 3/2/04 3:05 PM:

mtravelkay wrote:

15 years ago, while on a temp assignment in LA while working at IBM in
Austin. during the development of AIX/PS2 at Locus Software in the
Herbel Life building, I was staying at the Marriott LAX. One night a
bunch of us were coming back from dinner. In front of the hotel was a
body draped in a sheet. Apparently, someone jumped from the 14th floor,
presumably because there was no 13th floor.

If you correct for the American way of counting floors, would it be only
the 12th?



Aaah, I get you now. Yes, the 12th in the civilized world.


You're both mistaken. Here in NZ it's called the ground floor. But in
the US, it's called the 1st floor. Floors are numbered. Even the
basements are numbered b1, b2, b3 etc. I always get confused here and
say "I'm going to the 2nd floor." when I mean the first floor off the
ground...since most I've met here call the first floor, the ground
floor.
Tarla
****

Tarla,

I haven't been following this thread too well. I remember Canada being
pretty much the same as the US and IIRC the UK.


In terms of floor numbering, yes. In terms of everything else.....bite your
tongue!


Is the 13th left
everywhere in the US and is it because of superstition? Silly question
I know but need an answer. :-D


Yeah. A lot of airliners don't have a 13th row either (or, to be precise,
a row with the number 13)

  #102  
Old March 3rd, 2004, 02:26 AM
Nelly
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Default Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide

On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 01:20:44 GMT, Raffi Balmanoukian
a wrote:

in article , Nelly at
wrote on 3/2/04 9:12 PM:

On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:52:26 +1300, Tarla
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:40:40 GMT, Raffi Balmanoukian
a wrote:

in article , AKM at
wrote on 3/2/04 3:05 PM:

mtravelkay wrote:

15 years ago, while on a temp assignment in LA while working at IBM in
Austin. during the development of AIX/PS2 at Locus Software in the
Herbel Life building, I was staying at the Marriott LAX. One night a
bunch of us were coming back from dinner. In front of the hotel was a
body draped in a sheet. Apparently, someone jumped from the 14th floor,
presumably because there was no 13th floor.

If you correct for the American way of counting floors, would it be only
the 12th?



Aaah, I get you now. Yes, the 12th in the civilized world.

You're both mistaken. Here in NZ it's called the ground floor. But in
the US, it's called the 1st floor. Floors are numbered. Even the
basements are numbered b1, b2, b3 etc. I always get confused here and
say "I'm going to the 2nd floor." when I mean the first floor off the
ground...since most I've met here call the first floor, the ground
floor.
Tarla
****

Tarla,

I haven't been following this thread too well. I remember Canada being
pretty much the same as the US and IIRC the UK.


In terms of floor numbering, yes. In terms of everything else.....bite your
tongue!


Is the 13th left
everywhere in the US and is it because of superstition? Silly question
I know but need an answer. :-D


Yeah. A lot of airliners don't have a 13th row either (or, to be precise,
a row with the number 13)


I never noticed. May be they should take the 9 and 11 out of the
equation now.


Nelly.
If you see someone without a smile, give them one of yours :-)
  #103  
Old March 3rd, 2004, 02:53 AM
Raffi Balmanoukian
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Default Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide

in article , Nelly at
wrote on 3/2/04 9:26 PM:

I never noticed. May be they should take the 9 and 11 out of the
equation now.


I would argue 10 and 12 on Australian airliners (Bali)

  #104  
Old March 3rd, 2004, 03:08 AM
Neil Gerace
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"Raffi Balmanoukian" a
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Even more so when I sleep with the boss!

(self-employed.....whatever were you thinking? 8-))


Ever won a raise?


  #106  
Old March 3rd, 2004, 04:36 AM
matt weber
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Default Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide

On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 14:12:06 +1300, Nelly
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:52:26 +1300, Tarla
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:40:40 GMT, Raffi Balmanoukian
a wrote:

in article , AKM at
wrote on 3/2/04 3:05 PM:

mtravelkay wrote:

15 years ago, while on a temp assignment in LA while working at IBM in
Austin. during the development of AIX/PS2 at Locus Software in the
Herbel Life building, I was staying at the Marriott LAX. One night a
bunch of us were coming back from dinner. In front of the hotel was a
body draped in a sheet. Apparently, someone jumped from the 14th floor,
presumably because there was no 13th floor.

If you correct for the American way of counting floors, would it be only
the 12th?



Aaah, I get you now. Yes, the 12th in the civilized world.


You're both mistaken. Here in NZ it's called the ground floor. But in
the US, it's called the 1st floor. Floors are numbered. Even the
basements are numbered b1, b2, b3 etc. I always get confused here and
say "I'm going to the 2nd floor." when I mean the first floor off the
ground...since most I've met here call the first floor, the ground
floor.
Tarla
****

Tarla,

I haven't been following this thread too well. I remember Canada being
pretty much the same as the US and IIRC the UK. Is the 13th left
everywhere in the US and is it because of superstition? Silly question
I know but need an answer. :-D


Nelly.
If you see someone without a smile, give them one of yours :-)

It is up to the building owner. Most don't have it, but most is
considerably different than none. Another option I have seen it make
the 13th floor a machinery area, so it has no rentable space...
  #109  
Old March 3rd, 2004, 04:50 AM
matt weber
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Default Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide

On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 13:44:15 -0800, Malcolm Weir
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:06:11 -0700, matt weber
wrote:



The decision was made to fly the Boeing 747-400 back to Auckland with
only the 13 crew and in-flight service director on board. An airline
spokesman said the cost of flying the aircraft home without passengers
would have been "up to $50,000".


Somebody's arithmetic is more than a bit suspect... Two ways of
looking at this, but for starters, it is a 6500 mile mission, so about
12 hours, and about 240,000 pouns of Jet A, or about 37,000 gallons,
at current rates that is about 33,000USD just for the fuel. That says
nothing about landing fees, maintenance, or anything else.

The other way is to look at NZ's ASM cost. It is about 11 US cents,
and that puts the price at about 280,000USD.

Either way, NO WAY IT CAN BE DONE FOR ONLY $50,000


Huh? The aircraft was going to fly the route anyway, so landing fees,
maintenance, etc. would have been paid anyway.

Operating empty of passengers (but not, I'd bet, cargo) means that it
would save some fuel, plus catering costs. But those costs would be
borne by the alternate flights (NZ1, QF26, etc.) so that's a wash.

The only additional costs that would be incurred would be the
compensation to the passengers and any incremental costs of having
other carriers like Qantas (or whoever) take their passengers.

Do you really think QF (or anyone else) will transport 300 passengers
for $160 each? The ASM cost is about 10 cents, so for each passenger,
NZ is likely to be paying out upwards of 600USD in economy, and a
whole lot more than that in the premium cabins. The F cabin revenue
on the service could easily exceed $50K.

I'm not seeing a problem with the $50K number...

Malc.


  #110  
Old March 3rd, 2004, 05:06 AM
Raffi Balmanoukian
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Default Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide

in article , matt weber at
wrote on 3/2/04 11:50 PM:

On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 13:44:15 -0800, Malcolm Weir
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:06:11 -0700, matt weber
wrote:



The decision was made to fly the Boeing 747-400 back to Auckland with
only the 13 crew and in-flight service director on board. An airline
spokesman said the cost of flying the aircraft home without passengers
would have been "up to $50,000".

Somebody's arithmetic is more than a bit suspect... Two ways of
looking at this, but for starters, it is a 6500 mile mission, so about
12 hours, and about 240,000 pouns of Jet A, or about 37,000 gallons,
at current rates that is about 33,000USD just for the fuel. That says
nothing about landing fees, maintenance, or anything else.

The other way is to look at NZ's ASM cost. It is about 11 US cents,
and that puts the price at about 280,000USD.

Either way, NO WAY IT CAN BE DONE FOR ONLY $50,000


Huh? The aircraft was going to fly the route anyway, so landing fees,
maintenance, etc. would have been paid anyway.

Operating empty of passengers (but not, I'd bet, cargo) means that it
would save some fuel, plus catering costs. But those costs would be
borne by the alternate flights (NZ1, QF26, etc.) so that's a wash.

The only additional costs that would be incurred would be the
compensation to the passengers and any incremental costs of having
other carriers like Qantas (or whoever) take their passengers.

Do you really think QF (or anyone else) will transport 300 passengers
for $160 each? The ASM cost is about 10 cents, so for each passenger,
NZ is likely to be paying out upwards of 600USD in economy, and a
whole lot more than that in the premium cabins. The F cabin revenue
on the service could easily exceed $50K.


To make a very long story short, I got a first class QF seat LHR-SYD in 2000
which is a bit longer than LAX-SYD but might compare for the purposes of
this example. I later found out that on a last-minute basis, it was an
AUD$12,000 ticket which, thankfully, was on Air Canada's tab, not mine.

 




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