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Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide
Following along: It's certainly not NZ's pax who should suffer. Not to Raffi: Do NOT become involved in a safety critical industry. You could kill people with an attitude like yours. Dave I thought it was just my looks that could kill 8-) I still believe NZ overdramatized the situation. If some guy throws himself off a bridge in front of me, it would be his problem not mine.....sure wouldn't let it affect my clients/customers. |
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Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide
Raffi Balmanoukian schreef:
Following along: It's certainly not NZ's pax who should suffer. Not to Raffi: Do NOT become involved in a safety critical industry. You could kill people with an attitude like yours. Dave I thought it was just my looks that could kill 8-) I still believe NZ overdramatized the situation. If some guy throws himself off a bridge in front of me, it would be his problem not mine.....sure wouldn't let it affect my clients/customers. Yes but Raffi, you keep forgetting that the rest of us are human ;-) -- gwendolen |
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Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide
On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 20:50:55 -0700, matt weber
wrote: Either way, NO WAY IT CAN BE DONE FOR ONLY $50,000 Huh? The aircraft was going to fly the route anyway, so landing fees, maintenance, etc. would have been paid anyway. Operating empty of passengers (but not, I'd bet, cargo) means that it would save some fuel, plus catering costs. But those costs would be borne by the alternate flights (NZ1, QF26, etc.) so that's a wash. The only additional costs that would be incurred would be the compensation to the passengers and any incremental costs of having other carriers like Qantas (or whoever) take their passengers. Do you really think QF (or anyone else) will transport 300 passengers for $160 each? Well, I REALLY think that NZ would transport *their* passengers for whatever they had already paid, so where on earth did you get that "300 passengers" figure? The cost to NZ of displacing a passenger from NZ3 to NZ1 is what I'm talking about here. The ASM cost is about 10 cents, so for each passenger, NZ is likely to be paying out upwards of 600USD in economy, and a whole lot more than that in the premium cabins. The F cabin revenue on the service could easily exceed $50K. Yep. And I'd bet that the F cabin revenue wasn't touched in the slightest, with those passengers being accommodated on NZ1 or alternate NZ-operated flights. BEYOND that, the claim was that the exercise _cost_ Air NZ $50K. YOU, for some reason, are choosing to interpret that claim as inclusive of lost revenue. I'm not: I'm reading precisely what was written, which was that the cost to Air NZ was $50K, which does *not* automatically imply that there wasn't additionally lost revenue. Lost revenue is not a cost, it's just lost revenue. So the arithmetic looks like this: Cost_from_alt_carrier + delay_compensation - Revenue_from_displaced_pax $50K + Revenue_from_additional_cargo If NZ was clever (and despite the various exotic manoeuvres they've been involved in over the past few years, I see no reason to believe otherwise) they would displace (some of) the higher-fare pax and keep the bargain basement types, since QF (or whoever) is likely to accept the coupons from the higher fares at their face value. You seem fixated on total operating cost, which is totally irrelevant given the services were operating anyway! Malc. |
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Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide
On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 04:06:21 GMT, Raffi Balmanoukian
a wrote: Huh? The aircraft was going to fly the route anyway, so landing fees, maintenance, etc. would have been paid anyway. Operating empty of passengers (but not, I'd bet, cargo) means that it would save some fuel, plus catering costs. But those costs would be borne by the alternate flights (NZ1, QF26, etc.) so that's a wash. The only additional costs that would be incurred would be the compensation to the passengers and any incremental costs of having other carriers like Qantas (or whoever) take their passengers. Do you really think QF (or anyone else) will transport 300 passengers for $160 each? The ASM cost is about 10 cents, so for each passenger, NZ is likely to be paying out upwards of 600USD in economy, and a whole lot more than that in the premium cabins. The F cabin revenue on the service could easily exceed $50K. To make a very long story short, I got a first class QF seat LHR-SYD in 2000 which is a bit longer than LAX-SYD but might compare for the purposes of this example. I later found out that on a last-minute basis, it was an AUD$12,000 ticket which, thankfully, was on Air Canada's tab, not mine. Why would that have any vague relevance to anything? If any airline accomodates someone on another carrier, they don't call a travel agent! Free clue: how much would it have cost NZ to book a passenger on NZ3 onto NZ1 leaving that same day? Approximately? Second free clue: suppose you have a last minute first class NZ seat LAX-AKL for which you paid AUD$12000, or even US$100000000000000000. Do you think QF would accept that ticket? Hint: Yes. Malc. |
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Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide
In rec.travel.australia+nz Lennier wrote:
Which most definitely does apply - because suicide is a criminal offence. How many successful convictions are there? What's the punishment? |
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Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide
in article , Geoff McCaughan at
wrote on 3/3/04 4:52 PM: In rec.travel.australia+nz Lennier wrote: Which most definitely does apply - because suicide is a criminal offence. How many successful convictions are there? What's the punishment? It used to be....punishable by death (no corn!) But did habeas corpus apply? |
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Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide
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at wrote on 3/3/04 6:17 PM: On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 18:20:18 GMT, Raffi Balmanoukian a wrote: Following along: It's certainly not NZ's pax who should suffer. Not to Raffi: Do NOT become involved in a safety critical industry. You could kill people with an attitude like yours. Dave I thought it was just my looks that could kill 8-) I still believe NZ overdramatized the situation. If some guy throws himself off a bridge in front of me, it would be his problem not mine.....sure wouldn't let it affect my clients/customers. Well thank gawd your not a flight attendant....... Cath Because I don't let "wrong place, wrong time" stuff that has nothing to do either with me or my business associations bother me or affect the client/customer? I would think that would be exactly what an airline should look for.... |
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Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide
Raffi Balmanoukian wrote: Because I don't let "wrong place, wrong time" stuff that has nothing to do either with me or my business associations bother me or affect the client/customer? I would think that would be exactly what an airline should look for.... If they fall on the hood of your car, it doesn't affect you? |
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Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide
"Raffi Balmanoukian" a wrote in message news:BC6B9CC4.21697% ... If some guy throws himself off a bridge in front of me, it would be his problem not mine.....sure wouldn't let it affect my clients/customers. What you don't appear to understand is that you don't get to have very much say in it at all. Like you don't get to say how deep the hole should be in your head if a house brick falls on it. |
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