Turn any trip into a diving vacation!!

#11 October 3rd, 2005, 07:35 PM

#12 October 3rd, 2005, 07:44 PM

"chilly" wrote in message
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pd0f.73300$tl2.3142@pd7tw3no...

I don't think they knew either. And as for Dena, she probably thought she
was being quite enterprising. And had her approach been different, it
would
have been.

Selling crack is enterprising too. Perhaps she could try doing that
instead.

This is true. However, I still thought she'd learned her lesson on her own
and it wasn't necessary to get her bosses involved at this stage.

It didn't sound like she learned any lesson to me. Where's our apology?

Frankly, I don't think it will hurt their business much. People on USENET
are unlikely to have used their services or recommended them to anyone
either.

I disagree. People on USENET may have friends outside of USENET. Word
spreads. I'm calling my entire network of contacts and letting them know
about Dena's shenanigans, instructing them to each call at least a hundred
people. By next week, Dena will be ruined, penniless, a sniveling crack
whore. Mark my words.

It only took me 2 minutes to find all kinds of things out about Flint
Island
and I'm not even a cruise rep. That's what I was trying to tell Dena . .
.it is unlikely that anyone at rec.scuba.locations will use her services
regardless. But I've been wrong before and she could have had the
opportunity to prove me wrong, had she responded with info about Flint
Island and kept a cool head on her shoulders.

But this is being cross-posted. Probably people on rec.travel.cruises do
use travel agents for cruises. Hopefully they will stand in solidarity with
their fellow USENETers and fight egregious spammers to the death.

There are many commercial posters on USENET and other boards. They do end
up getting business because of their style of posting. They are friendly
and helpful and eventually build up a trust with the other posters. Then
the other posters start to use and recommend their services. There are
some
fine examples, and one I'm thinking of specifically is a Cozumel dive
operator. Another here and on rec.scuba.locations was Jim Wyatt (despite
his weather reports). :^)

Jim Wyatt is out of business now. Aldora sucks.

Well, my take on it, is that she is very young and still has some learning
to do. She may well turn out to be a fine travel assistant in the
fullness
of time. Assuming she can learn from her mistakes, that is and assuming
you
didn't manage to significantly damage her relationship with Diane and Jim.

Young and inexperienced is only a good excuse in bed. Never in business.

#13 October 4th, 2005, 01:15 AM

Greg Mossman wrote:
"chilly" wrote in message
newspd0f.73300$tl2.3142@pd7tw3no...

I don't think they knew either. And as for Dena, she probably thought she
was being quite enterprising. And had her approach been different, it
would
have been.

Selling crack is enterprising too. Perhaps she could try doing that
instead.

Is female prostitution known as "selling crack"? :-) Some travel
agents GIVE away "stuff" as enticements for their clients to use them.

Frankly, I don't think it will hurt their business much. People on USENET
are unlikely to have used their services or recommended them to anyone
either.

I disagree. People on USENET may have friends outside of USENET. Word
spreads. I'm calling my entire network of contacts and letting them know
about Dena's shenanigans, instructing them to each call at least a hundred
people. By next week, Dena will be ruined, penniless, a sniveling crack
whore. Mark my words.

A "sniveling crack whore". :-) That's one thing Ray Goldenberg has
not achieved.

But this is being cross-posted.

Yup. And this is the first instance I had a few moments to follow-up
on the Anti-Spam Festival activity besides following up on Ray
Goldenberg's SOLO repetitive SPAMs and his 3 fans in
rec.travel.cruises.

Probably people on rec.travel.cruises do
use travel agents for cruises. Hopefully they will stand in solidarity with
their fellow USENETers and fight egregious spammers to the death.

LOL! Ray had been spamming there long before I started reading that
group ever since I had done about two dozen cruises in three years.

Ray has ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, no substance about cruising to offer
other than his modus operadi of "I have this 'press release' ..."
and proceeded to spam for his travel agency.

Come visit rec.travel.cruises and asks Ray a few questions about
.... Greg, you know all those places you travel to -- I bet you in
no time flat you would have exhausted Ray Goldenberg's TOTAL
knowledge about cruising and other travels. :-) He spams with
his toll free numbers. Call him and ask him questions often, and
let us know if he knows ANYTHING.

One person who followed up on my post about Ray's spam said Ray
had HIGHER prices than what he could find in other places and had
the gall to say that it's because it's HIM that deserved to be
paid higher. ROTFLMAO!

Of course rec.travel.cruises readers use travel agents. As much as
I know about most of my own travel, I use travel agencies and agents
therein when they have favorable bulk rate than I could get. But
in rec.travel.cruises there are at least those few SUCKERS who spoke
up AGAINST me (about 3 that I counted) for exposing Ray's spam think
Ray's existence in the newsgroup is justified.

There are many commercial posters on USENET and other boards. They do end
up getting business because of their style of posting. They are friendly
and helpful and eventually build up a trust with the other posters. Then
the other posters start to use and recommend their services. There are
some
fine examples, and one I'm thinking of specifically is a Cozumel dive
operator. Another here and on rec.scuba.locations was Jim Wyatt (despite
his weather reports). :^)

Jim Wyatt is out of business now. Aldora sucks.

There are MANY posters in readers in rec.travel.cruises that I know are
in the travel business or have acknowledged to be travel agents. But
it took me a while before I realize that some of them ARE travel agents
because they are not bad-ass cretins like Ray Goldenberg!

As long as they don't spam and engage in discussion of cruises and
related info, I couldn't care less if they are travel agents of not.

Well, my take on it, is that she is very young and still has some learning
to do. She may well turn out to be a fine travel assistant in the
fullness
of time. Assuming she can learn from her mistakes, that is and assuming
you
didn't manage to significantly damage her relationship with Diane and Jim.

Young and inexperienced is only a good excuse in bed. Never in business.

What about an old an experienced cretin? That's what Ray Goldenberg
is.

Have not seen many like him, in all my years in usenet, to be so dumb,
so ignorant, so arrogant about his ads, and is still practicing his
transparent spam trick of posting his own "junk mail" and then tell
readers to contact HIM for booking travel. :-)

-- Bob.

#14 October 4th, 2005, 02:43 AM

"chilly" wrote

Hey, she was a smartass that e-mailed him directly to spread more bs.
Perhaps she, and maybe others, learned how unwise it is to tick off a
government bureaucrat.

You guys are mean.

We are paid to be.

#15 October 4th, 2005, 03:39 AM

"Lee Bell" wrote in message
nk.net...
"chilly" wrote

Hey, she was a smartass that e-mailed him directly to spread more bs.
Perhaps she, and maybe others, learned how unwise it is to tick off a
government bureaucrat.

You guys are mean.

We are paid to be.

I didn't mean government bureaucrats in general. I meant you and Hugh
specifically.

;^)

#16 October 4th, 2005, 07:10 AM

Hi,

I've been lurking for about a week now, and wanted to advertise my services
here as a tour operator in South Africa. But now I'm starting to wonder if
this is the right place! I don't want to spam, but I do want to draw
attention to what I can do. So - what's the protocol?

Catherine Milton
South Africa
==Not nuts, just a little eccentric==
usual signature snipped

"Greg Mossman" wrote in message
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wrote in message
oups.com...

BTW, I did do some background research on Dena's posting history, to
see if she does actually act as a contributor *anywhere*. Prior to her
interactions while being trolled this past week, it looks like there's
been only one (1) circumstance where she actually offered any advice
instead of just her inappropriate self-serving advertising hyperbola.
So overall, Dena merely identified herself as yet another self-serving
Internet exploiter and not a Community contributor.

allforums.net:

Read before booking your next cruise or vacation!!
I am an independent travel assistant and my prices usually cant be beat.
If
I cant beat a price I should at least be able to match it. I do not
advertise and work only by word of mouth. This keeps my overhead to a
minimum and lets me pass the savings on to YOU! However unlike these
internet companies and big travel agencies, I am always here for you and
stand behind everything I sell. You have nothing to lose and everything to
gain by contacting me! I can be reached toll free at 1-888-211-6299 or e
mail me at . It would be a pleasure to assist you
with your travel plans, thank you. Dena
REMEMBER, IT ONLY TAKES A FEW MINUTES FOR ME TO CHECK YOUR PRICES AND MAKE
SURE YOU GOT THE BEST DEAL!! I HAVE ACCESS TO ALL OF THE RESORTS AND WOULD
BE HAPPY TO PLAN SOMETHING FOR YOU!!

royalcaribbeaninternationaltravelclub.com:

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 10:11 pm Post subject: Please read this post
before booking your next cruise!!
My name is Dena and I love to go on cruises. So much so that I became a
travel agent. In most cases I can beat, or will at least match any price
you
can find for a cruise. I get new, unpublished deals on a daily basis. Not
to
mention I am someone who can answer your quesions or help you with your
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someone to help you plan out your vacation can be very improtant. I can be
reached at 1-800-484-7828 EXT. 3903 or e mail me at
. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain
by contacting me, Thank You for reading my post.

carnivalcruiselinetravelclub.com:

Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:40 pm Post subject: Let me help you book
your
cruise, I have cheap deals!!
I love Carnival Cruises so much so that I got my license and became a
travel
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mail
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me
and everyting to gain!!

princesscruisestravelclub.com:

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 9:58 pm Post subject: Read this before booking
your next Cruise.
My name is Dena and I love to go on cruises. So much so that I became a
travel agent. I would like to share the joy of cruising with as many
people
as possible so my prices are about as cheap as they come. Please call or e
mail me and check my prices first. I am usually cheaper then most and can
at
least match most prices if not beat them. Not to mention I am a voice you
can talk to and always contact with your questions or problems. I can be
reached at 1-800-484-7828 EXT. 3903 or e mail me at
. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain
by contacting me. Thank You.

hollandamericanlinetravelclub.com:

Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:47 pm Post subject: I have cheap deals for
Holland America Cruises!!
I enjoy cruising so much that I became a travel agent. Please contact me
for
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and I am a friendly voice you can talk and refer questions to. I also have
land packages as well. Please contact me at 1-800-484-7828 EXT. 3903 or e
mail me at . I get new deals on cruises almost
daily. Please call me, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Let
me price out your next cruise or help you find one - thank you - Dena.

bb.affordabletours.com:

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:24 pm Post subject: Searching for a
Norwegian
Cruise
I would be happy to get you all of the information you need and answer any
questions you may have about a Norwegian cruise lines cruise or any other
vacation.
I am an INDEPENDENT travel assistant and my prices usually cant be beat.
If
I cant beat a price I should at least be able to match it. I do not
advertise and work only by word of mouth. This keeps my overhead to a
minimum and lets me pass the savings on to YOU! However unlike these
internet companies and big travel agencies, I am always here for you and
stand behind everything I sell. You have nothing to lose and everything to
gain by contacting me! I can be reached at 1-800-484-7828 EXT. 3903 or e
mail me at Dena@thecruiseplanner. com. It would be a pleasure to assist
you
with your travel plans, thank you. Dena
REMEMBER, IT ONLY TAKES A FEW MINUTES FOR ME TO CHECK YOUR PRICES AND MAKE
SURE YOU GOT THE BEST DEAL!! I HAVE ACCESS TO ALL OF THE RESORTS AND WOULD
BE HAPPY TO PLAN SOMETHING FOR YOU!!

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:51 am Post subject:
REMEMBER, IT ONLY TAKES A FEW MINUTES FOR ME TO CHECK YOUR PRICES AND MAKE
SURE YOU GOT THE BEST DEAL! DENA

Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 4:46 am Post subject: Looking for a Royal
Caribbean Cruise?
If you are looking for a Royal Caribbean Cruise or any cruise in general,
I
would be happy to help you. If you already have a cruise in mind, then let
me price it out for you. My prices usually cant be beat and my personal
service is second to none!! I am a personal travel assistant and it costs
you NOTHING to let me check your price or price something out for you! I
can
be reached at 1-800-484-7828 EXT 3903 or e mail me at
Dena@thecruiseplanner.
com.
Remember, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain by contacting
me!
Thanks for reading my post. Dena

travelmb.com:

Tue Mar 08, 2005 3:18 pm
I would be glad to personally help you.
My name is Dena and I am a personal travel assistant. I would be glad to
help you find something that is within your budget.
You can contact me at 732-681-2176 or drop me an e mail at
Dena@thecruiseplanner. com.
I would not wait to long to do this. Last minute deals have been hard to
come by and prices have been going up.

norwegiancruiselinetravelclub.com:

Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 4:07 am Post subject: Are you looking for a
Norwegian Cruise
If you are looking for a cruise on Norwegian Cruise Lines or any cruise in
general, I would be happy to help you. If you already have a cruise in
mind
then let me price it out for you. My prices usually cant be beat and my
personal service is second to none!! I am a personal travel assistant and
it
costs you NOTHING to let me check your price or price something out for
you!
You will only deal with me and I can be reached at 1-800-484-7828 EXT 3903
or e mail me at Dena@thecruiseplanner. com.
Remember, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain by contacting
me!
Thanks for reading my post. Dena

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 4:33 pm Post subject:
Remember, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain by contacting
me!
Thanks for reading my post. Dena

If that ain't spamming, what is?

#17 October 4th, 2005, 01:01 PM

"Catherine Milton" wrote:

Hi,

I've been lurking for about a week now, and wanted to advertise my services
here as a tour operator in South Africa. But now I'm starting to wonder if
this is the right place! I don't want to spam, but I do want to draw
attention to what I can do. So - what's the protocol?

Catherine,

What is considered acceptable varies by the individual USENET Group, so
there is no set answer.

Generally, the first thing to do is to read the appropriate group's FAQ
and Charter, and then lurk (which you're already doing). Stepping in on
a close-to-topic thread with the question as you've asked above is also
a smart approach.

In simplest form, people like contributors and dislike exploiters.

I won't speak for r.t.c or r.t.m, but on r.s.l, what this
generally means is that it is considered acceptable is to list your
business in your .SIG file (which of course, is no more than 4 lines),
and to then be an active and positive contributor to the group that
you're choosing to be a member of.

In other words, post good content and your .SIG gets a free exposure to
promote yourself.

What you don't want to do is to post "nothings", as it then becomes
transparent that you're doing it just to provide exposure for your .SIG

At least that's how it has generally worked on r.s.l.

-hh

#18 October 4th, 2005, 04:01 PM

"H Huntzinger" wrote in
message
...
"Catherine Milton" wrote:
Catherine,

Hi Catherine,
Do your services include cruises around African ports? I am mainly
interested in a cruise that takes us to Mombassa or any port where we could
visit easily visit Nairobi or Kissumu..Our daughter is there with a medical
team for another year..The only ones I have seen consist of 21-30 days and
go to places that we are not particularly interested in visiting.

You may now answer this, if you wish, and put your agency name, e-mail
address, etc. following your answer..You would be answering my post so it
would not be considered spamming.

--Jean

#19 October 4th, 2005, 06:24 PM

"Jean O'Boyle" wrote
Do your services include cruises around African ports? I am mainly
interested in a cruise that takes us to Mombassa or any port where we
could
visit easily visit Nairobi or Kissumu..Our daughter is there with a
medical
team for another year..The only ones I have seen consist of 21-30 days and
go to places that we are not particularly interested in visiting.

You may now answer this, if you wish, and put your agency name, e-mail
address, etc. following your answer..You would be answering my post so it
would not be considered spamming.

--Jean

Thanks Jean! :-)

I've never been involved in cruises, but it's something I can certainly find
out about. I mainly deal with South African tours, but have have started
extending my area to include Botswana, Zimbabwe and Zambia lately.

Where are you from? I mean - where would you want to start from? Are you
looking for a huge liner, or would you want to join up with someone doing a
private cruise? Do you want to have a holiday in any of these areas, say
start from Durban and cruise up to Mauritius, etc? How long do you want to
be away from home?

I am sure I can help you in some way.

Catherine
==Not nuts, just a little eccentric==
www.africanbush.co.za
African Bush Tours and Safaris
P O Box 232, Rouxville, 9958, South Africa
Tel (+27) 051 663-0170 or Mobile (+27) 082 490-5485

#20 October 5th, 2005, 05:01 AM

Catherine Milton wrote:
"Jean O'Boyle" wrote
Do your services include cruises around African ports? I am mainly
interested in a cruise that takes us to Mombassa or any port where we
could
visit easily visit Nairobi or Kissumu..Our daughter is there with a
medical
team for another year..The only ones I have seen consist of 21-30 days and
go to places that we are not particularly interested in visiting.

You may now answer this, if you wish, and put your agency name, e-mail
address, etc. following your answer..You would be answering my post so it
would not be considered spamming.

--Jean

Thanks Jean! :-)

I've never been involved in cruises, but it's something I can certainly find
out about.

Swell. Just what we needed, a TA in rec.travel.cruises never been
involved in cruises.

Where are you from? I mean - where would you want to start from? Are you
looking for a huge liner, or would you want to join up with someone doing a
private cruise? Do you want to have a holiday in any of these areas, say
start from Durban and cruise up to Mauritius, etc? How long do you want to
be away from home?

I am sure I can help you in some way.

Catherine
==Not nuts, just a little eccentric==
www.africanbush.co.za
African Bush Tours and Safaris
P O Box 232, Rouxville, 9958, South Africa
Tel (+27) 051 663-0170 or Mobile (+27) 082 490-5485

Catherine, LOL O'Boyle is a clever, isn't she, in her suggestion?
The only flies buzzing around her ointment (other than your sig
greater than the customarily allowable 4 lines) may be something
like:

Who in the right mind would want cruising advice from an African
agent, who has never cruised or been involved with cruising,
by calling from the USA (or Canada, or Brit, or ...) an
African phone number for this TA?

I am sure you'll be receiving many phone calls from LOL O'Boyle!
LOL! (a different one).

In reality, I think your post self-destructs, in 5 minutes. :-)

-- Bob.

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