Arizona, Show Your Papers? So What!

On Tue, 11 May 2010 06:58:10 -0700 (PDT), "O'Donovan, PJ,
Himself" wrote:


I had been driving German cars for years and my son borrowed a 77
450SLC Mercedes sports car I had been driving for many years, A cop
stopped him and fortunately he had all the proper paper work handy.
After all was resolved my son asked why he was stopped and the cop
said he was suspicious seeing such a scroungie looking kid driving
such a classy car. It shook my son up a bit but he didn't cut his hair
nor get rid of that stupid earing. Profiling? sure.

On an episode of the TV series "The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air"
Carleton was asked by his wealthy father to drive his expensive
car (I think it was a Ferrari) down to him in Palm Springs. So
Carleton and Will drive off, having a great time. They are pulled
over by the police in a small town for no real discernible reason
and it is quickly evident that they were pulled over for DWB
(Driving While Black). Not being able to show the car is his,
Carleton and Will are taken to the poice station to spend the
night until the father comes to spring them.

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* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

On Tue, 11 May 2010 07:40:00 -0700 (PDT), harry k
wrote:

On May 11, 6:58*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote:
On May 11, 9:14*am, David Moss wrote:

Do you really think a cop can't think of an excuse to stop *anyone*?

DM

Even white Europeans like myself get stopped and questioned.

I was born in 1932 but some years ago, visiting family in
Pennsylvania, I was walking at night on my way to a local drug store
to get something or other with only money in my pocket and no wallet.

A police car pulled up and asked for ID. I had to explain I was on my
way to buy something at the drug store and had no wallet but ID was
available at a house of family I was staying at nearby. I had to get
into the car and proceed to the house when I opened the door and
explained to all "cheese it the cops" and proceeded to go to the
upstairs bedroom to retrieve my wallet.

I am 6'2'' 175 lbs now as I was back then. *The cops explained that
they had had reports that a tall lanky guy had been exposing himself
to young girls as they were leaving the high school nearby that day
and I fit that description but that was the end of it as one of them
knew a family member well I was staying with who explained who I was
and vouched for my character. Profiling? yep.

We had another incident with my one son on a visit home during his
undergraduate college years at Georgetown University in Washington DC
back in the 1980s. As was the fashion he let his hair grow into a
straggly mess and apparently a girlfriend gave him a stupid earing to
wear with it all.

I had been driving German cars for years and my son borrowed a 77
450SLC Mercedes sports car I had been driving for many years, A cop
stopped him and fortunately he had all the proper paper work handy.
After all was resolved my son asked why he was stopped and the cop
said he was suspicious seeing such a scroungie looking kid driving
such a classy car. It shook my son up a bit but he didn't cut his hair
nor get rid of that stupid earing. Profiling? sure.

That son is now a tenured college professor, married with two kids and
a mortgage. The hair is still long and he still wears a stupid earing
even though in his late 40s now but *being in academia, he fits in
very well

Neither of those examples is "profiling" Both are examples of good
police work. Profiling would be seeing a brownskin standing on the
streetcorner with a 'will work' sign. Or picking a black driving in
daylight hours where blacks are rarely seen.

I didn't ake it as an example of profiling. I took it as an
example of "if it can happen to white people, just imagine how it
can happen to people with darker skin".

Stopping a black or brown driving/walking/jogging, whatever at 2 a.m.
in a totally whitebread neighbor hood would not be profiling.

Rubbish.

Yes,
there is a fine line that really can't be defined between 'good work'
and 'profiling'

Indeed



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************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Even white Europeans like myself get
stopped and questioned.

Earl Evleth wrote;

I have been here 35 years and it never
happened except with regard to controls
on the car,[snip]

Earl weren't you stopped and questioned twice(?) by the French
(FBI-type) authorities either in or just outside a Paris internet cafe
years ago because your innocent email had some words that triggered it
as a possible terrorist's email?

I remember it on r.t.e and what struck me the most was how fast they
responded.

Or am I thinking of another poster that this happened too?
Regards, Walter



...And Paradise Was Lost...like teardrops in the rain...

On Tue, 11 May 2010 06:58:10 -0700 (PDT), "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote:

On May 11, 9:14*am, David Moss wrote:

Do you really think a cop can't think of an excuse to stop *anyone*?

DM

Even white Europeans like myself get stopped and questioned.

Would you prefer to have been stopped, questioned and arrested for not
carrying ID?

What sort of police state do you want to turn your country into?

DM
personal opinion only
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On Tue, 11 May 2010 10:27:05 -0700, Hatunen wrote:

On Tue, 11 May 2010 06:58:10 -0700 (PDT), "O'Donovan, PJ,
Himself" wrote:


I had been driving German cars for years and my son borrowed a 77
450SLC Mercedes sports car I had been driving for many years, A cop
stopped him and fortunately he had all the proper paper work handy.
After all was resolved my son asked why he was stopped and the cop
said he was suspicious seeing such a scroungie looking kid driving
such a classy car. It shook my son up a bit but he didn't cut his hair
nor get rid of that stupid earing. Profiling? sure.

On an episode of the TV series "The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air"
Carleton was asked by his wealthy father to drive his expensive
car (I think it was a Ferrari) down to him in Palm Springs. So
Carleton and Will drive off, having a great time. They are pulled
over by the police in a small town for no real discernible reason
and it is quickly evident that they were pulled over for DWB
(Driving While Black). Not being able to show the car is his,
Carleton and Will are taken to the poice station to spend the
night until the father comes to spring them.

The flipside of that kind of thing is a trick regularly pulled by a
certain Australian Aboriginal boxer (black, for Americans who don't
know about Oz). He and his friends drive around in an expensive BMW
until they spot a police car then suddenly pull over to the side of
the road, jump out leaving all the doors wide open and run off in
different directions. You can imagine how the police respond. When
they return to the car with anyone they manage to catch they find the
driver waiting with full ownership papers, completely unaffected by
alcohol (he's a practising Muslim) and laughing his head off at them.
Even the cops think its funny after a minute or so!

DM
personal opinion only
---------------------
APR - http://politics.sunnybar.dynip.com

On Sat, 15 May 2010 17:59:41 +1000, David Moss wrote:
The flipside of that kind of thing is a trick regularly pulled by a
certain Australian Aboriginal boxer (black, for Americans who don't
know about Oz). He and his friends drive around in an expensive BMW
until they spot a police car then suddenly pull over to the side of
the road, jump out leaving all the doors wide open and run off in
different directions. You can imagine how the police respond. When
they return to the car with anyone they manage to catch they find the
driver waiting with full ownership papers, completely unaffected by
alcohol (he's a practising Muslim) and laughing his head off at them.
Even the cops think its funny after a minute or so!

In AZ, every cop within 30 miles would join in the manhunt, they'd catch them,
beat the **** out of them, leave them in tent prison camps in the 115 degree sun
while awaiting trial, and charge them with resisting arrest if they couldn't
think of anything else.

Hatunen wrote:

On Sat, 15 May 2010 08:19:22 -0500, AZ Nomad


In AZ, every cop within 30 miles would join in the manhunt, they'd catch them,
beat the **** out of them, leave them in tent prison camps in the 115 degree sun
while awaiting trial, and charge them with resisting arrest if they couldn't
think of anything else.

No, no. Not in Arizona, just in Maricopa County, where Sheriff
Joe will put them in pink underwear and jumpsuits.

Bloody, buggery ********, what will he come up with next?

On Sat, 15 May 2010 08:19:22 -0500, AZ Nomad
wrote:

On Sat, 15 May 2010 17:59:41 +1000, David Moss wrote:
The flipside of that kind of thing is a trick regularly pulled by a
certain Australian Aboriginal boxer (black, for Americans who don't
know about Oz). He and his friends drive around in an expensive BMW
until they spot a police car then suddenly pull over to the side of
the road, jump out leaving all the doors wide open and run off in
different directions. You can imagine how the police respond. When
they return to the car with anyone they manage to catch they find the
driver waiting with full ownership papers, completely unaffected by
alcohol (he's a practising Muslim) and laughing his head off at them.
Even the cops think its funny after a minute or so!

In AZ, every cop within 30 miles would join in the manhunt, they'd catch them,
beat the **** out of them, leave them in tent prison camps in the 115 degree sun
while awaiting trial, and charge them with resisting arrest if they couldn't
think of anything else.

No, no. Not in Arizona, just in Maricopa County, where Sheriff
Joe will put them in pink underwear and jumpsuits.

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************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *