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Just returned from cruise - don't get it...
Actually, I have stayed in a handicapped room, which was made available because
no handicapped guest booked it. The same logic applies here....if O is not filling cabins, would they rather have me, a paying customer, or leave it go empty?? And if handicapped rooms are supposed to be set aside for handicapped people, yet you want the cabin for the extra room it provides, I suppose you think it would be OK for you to book one of those, too? |
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Just returned from cruise - don't get it...
Actually, I have stayed in a handicapped room, which was made available because
no handicapped guest booked it. The same logic applies here....if O is not filling cabins, would they rather have me, a paying customer, or leave it go empty?? And if handicapped rooms are supposed to be set aside for handicapped people, yet you want the cabin for the extra room it provides, I suppose you think it would be OK for you to book one of those, too? |
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Just returned from cruise - don't get it...
I believe most of the cruiselines require a letter from the handicapped
person's doctor before a handicap access cabin is confirmed. This is as it should be, as there is definitely a shortage of rooms that will accommodate a scooter or electric wheelchair. We routinely forward a letter from Barb's doctor and have not been refused a "handicap" so far. It would be extremely selfish for an able-bodied passenger to even request one of these rooms just for the additional space, and I think that ALL the cruiselines should monitor the persons using these few cabins. Tobieon an Island in the Pacific "JEFFCOUD" wrote in message ... Actually, I have stayed in a handicapped room, which was made available because no handicapped guest booked it. The same logic applies here....if O is not filling cabins, would they rather have me, a paying customer, or leave it go empty?? And if handicapped rooms are supposed to be set aside for handicapped people, yet you want the cabin for the extra room it provides, I suppose you think it would be OK for you to book one of those, too? |
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Just returned from cruise - don't get it...
I believe most of the cruiselines require a letter from the handicapped
person's doctor before a handicap access cabin is confirmed. This is as it should be, as there is definitely a shortage of rooms that will accommodate a scooter or electric wheelchair. We routinely forward a letter from Barb's doctor and have not been refused a "handicap" so far. It would be extremely selfish for an able-bodied passenger to even request one of these rooms just for the additional space, and I think that ALL the cruiselines should monitor the persons using these few cabins. Tobieon an Island in the Pacific "JEFFCOUD" wrote in message ... Actually, I have stayed in a handicapped room, which was made available because no handicapped guest booked it. The same logic applies here....if O is not filling cabins, would they rather have me, a paying customer, or leave it go empty?? And if handicapped rooms are supposed to be set aside for handicapped people, yet you want the cabin for the extra room it provides, I suppose you think it would be OK for you to book one of those, too? |
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Just returned from cruise - don't get it...
I couldn't agree with you more, Tobie, except to say that the more accurate
industry term used to describe the staterooms set aside for people who need to use motorized transportation to get around is "wheelchair-accessible". "SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS FORM" Holland America, for example, has some cabins with asterisks shown on the deck plans which are for people with limited mobility (perhaps disabling arthritis, as just one example) who might need a shower instead of a bathtub and/or a raised toilet. Those cabins are not larger, and they do not require a "Special Requirements Form" (HAL's own term for this form). As I understand it, anyone can book the cabins with showers instead of tubs (and raised toilet seats, etc.) if they want or need those facilities. However, the larger wheelchair-accessible staterooms are intended for wheelchair users ONLY (and I am guessing that motorized scooters fit in this category, though I am not certain) DO require that prospective occupants fill out and send in the "SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS FORM" along with or soon after booking, and certainly prior to sailing EXCEPT in ONE situation: if a cruiser books a "guarantee cabin" in the category which includes a wheelchair-accessible cabin and one of those cabins is still vacant at the time the computer assigns cabins, which I was told is 7-10 days prior to sailing, then the computer randomly assigns passengers in the guarantee category, and able-bodied passengers can and do get assigned to that cabin. I think random assignment of leftover cabins is a good solution, or perhaps the cruise line could simply auction off the leftover larger cabins at the pier, just so these space hogs would have to get to the dock early, stand in line and bid against others for the extra space they crave. People who can walk, regardless of whether they or their partner may have some arthritis or are on crutches (or have a variety of other health issues that many of us have either temporarily or permanently) do not qualify as passengers in need of or eligible for wheelchair-accessible staterooms. Speaking for myself, I have cruised on crutches before when I had a temporary injury and I didn't ask for—nor would it have even occurred to me to ask for or seek out—special treatment. As you said, Tobie, "It would be extremely selfish for an able-bodied passenger to even request one of these rooms just for the additional space, and I think that ALL the cruiselines should monitor the persons using these few cabins." I hope that others will contribute to this topic and share their experience. "Tobie Gerbrandt" wrote: I believe most of the cruiselines require a letter from the handicapped person's doctor before a handicap access cabin is confirmed. This is as it should be, as there is definitely a shortage of rooms that will accommodate a scooter or electric wheelchair. We routinely forward a letter from Barb's doctor and have not been refused a "handicap" so far. It would be extremely selfish for an able-bodied passenger to even request one of these rooms just for the additional space, and I think that ALL the cruiselines should monitor the persons using these few cabins. Tobieon an Island in the Pacific "JEFFCOUD" wrote in message ... Actually, I have stayed in a handicapped room, which was made available because no handicapped guest booked it. The same logic applies here....if O is not filling cabins, would they rather have me, a paying customer, or leave it go empty?? And if handicapped rooms are supposed to be set aside for handicapped people, yet you want the cabin for the extra room it provides, I suppose you think it would be OK for you to book one of those, too? |
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Just returned from cruise - don't get it...
I couldn't agree with you more, Tobie, except to say that the more accurate
industry term used to describe the staterooms set aside for people who need to use motorized transportation to get around is "wheelchair-accessible". "SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS FORM" Holland America, for example, has some cabins with asterisks shown on the deck plans which are for people with limited mobility (perhaps disabling arthritis, as just one example) who might need a shower instead of a bathtub and/or a raised toilet. Those cabins are not larger, and they do not require a "Special Requirements Form" (HAL's own term for this form). As I understand it, anyone can book the cabins with showers instead of tubs (and raised toilet seats, etc.) if they want or need those facilities. However, the larger wheelchair-accessible staterooms are intended for wheelchair users ONLY (and I am guessing that motorized scooters fit in this category, though I am not certain) DO require that prospective occupants fill out and send in the "SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS FORM" along with or soon after booking, and certainly prior to sailing EXCEPT in ONE situation: if a cruiser books a "guarantee cabin" in the category which includes a wheelchair-accessible cabin and one of those cabins is still vacant at the time the computer assigns cabins, which I was told is 7-10 days prior to sailing, then the computer randomly assigns passengers in the guarantee category, and able-bodied passengers can and do get assigned to that cabin. I think random assignment of leftover cabins is a good solution, or perhaps the cruise line could simply auction off the leftover larger cabins at the pier, just so these space hogs would have to get to the dock early, stand in line and bid against others for the extra space they crave. People who can walk, regardless of whether they or their partner may have some arthritis or are on crutches (or have a variety of other health issues that many of us have either temporarily or permanently) do not qualify as passengers in need of or eligible for wheelchair-accessible staterooms. Speaking for myself, I have cruised on crutches before when I had a temporary injury and I didn't ask for—nor would it have even occurred to me to ask for or seek out—special treatment. As you said, Tobie, "It would be extremely selfish for an able-bodied passenger to even request one of these rooms just for the additional space, and I think that ALL the cruiselines should monitor the persons using these few cabins." I hope that others will contribute to this topic and share their experience. "Tobie Gerbrandt" wrote: I believe most of the cruiselines require a letter from the handicapped person's doctor before a handicap access cabin is confirmed. This is as it should be, as there is definitely a shortage of rooms that will accommodate a scooter or electric wheelchair. We routinely forward a letter from Barb's doctor and have not been refused a "handicap" so far. It would be extremely selfish for an able-bodied passenger to even request one of these rooms just for the additional space, and I think that ALL the cruiselines should monitor the persons using these few cabins. Tobieon an Island in the Pacific "JEFFCOUD" wrote in message ... Actually, I have stayed in a handicapped room, which was made available because no handicapped guest booked it. The same logic applies here....if O is not filling cabins, would they rather have me, a paying customer, or leave it go empty?? And if handicapped rooms are supposed to be set aside for handicapped people, yet you want the cabin for the extra room it provides, I suppose you think it would be OK for you to book one of those, too? |
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Just returned from cruise - don't get it...
When we got the handicapped cabin it was an upgrade to a new
location....got it in the 7-10 day out range. We did not request it, but it was unbooked and apparently unneeded, so they put us there. It was nice to have the extra room of course, but it was right under the outdoor cafe upstairs....so chair scraping noises at various points in the day! Although....they did have the classical guitarist guy playing out there at night during cigar time, and that was extremely pleasant to listen to out on our balcony. The cabin below us (these were aft cabins on the Millennium by the way) was occupied by a couple, also not handicapped, who turned out to be our tablemates. Actually, they were our tablemates first and I happened to be out on the balcony a few days into the cruise, looked down, and there were our tablemates, it was quite funny. Very nice retired couple from Florida. Jeff RTCReferee wrote: As you said, Tobie, "It would be extremely selfish for an able-bodied passenger to even request one of these rooms just for the additional space, and I think that ALL the cruiselines should monitor the persons using these few cabins." |
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Just returned from cruise - don't get it...
When we got the handicapped cabin it was an upgrade to a new
location....got it in the 7-10 day out range. We did not request it, but it was unbooked and apparently unneeded, so they put us there. It was nice to have the extra room of course, but it was right under the outdoor cafe upstairs....so chair scraping noises at various points in the day! Although....they did have the classical guitarist guy playing out there at night during cigar time, and that was extremely pleasant to listen to out on our balcony. The cabin below us (these were aft cabins on the Millennium by the way) was occupied by a couple, also not handicapped, who turned out to be our tablemates. Actually, they were our tablemates first and I happened to be out on the balcony a few days into the cruise, looked down, and there were our tablemates, it was quite funny. Very nice retired couple from Florida. Jeff RTCReferee wrote: As you said, Tobie, "It would be extremely selfish for an able-bodied passenger to even request one of these rooms just for the additional space, and I think that ALL the cruiselines should monitor the persons using these few cabins." |
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Just returned from cruise - don't get it...
When we got the handicapped cabin it was an upgrade to a new
location....got it in the 7-10 day out range. We did not request it, but it was unbooked and apparently unneeded, so they put us there. It was nice to have the extra room of course, but it was right under the outdoor cafe upstairs....so chair scraping noises at various points in the day! Although....they did have the classical guitarist guy playing out there at night during cigar time, and that was extremely pleasant to listen to out on our balcony. The cabin below us (these were aft cabins on the Millennium by the way) was occupied by a couple, also not handicapped, who turned out to be our tablemates. Actually, they were our tablemates first and I happened to be out on the balcony a few days into the cruise, looked down, and there were our tablemates, it was quite funny. Very nice retired couple from Florida. Jeff RTCReferee wrote: As you said, Tobie, "It would be extremely selfish for an able-bodied passenger to even request one of these rooms just for the additional space, and I think that ALL the cruiselines should monitor the persons using these few cabins." |
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Just returned from cruise - don't get it...
When we got the handicapped cabin it was an upgrade to a new
location....got it in the 7-10 day out range. We did not request it, but it was unbooked and apparently unneeded, so they put us there. It was nice to have the extra room of course, but it was right under the outdoor cafe upstairs....so chair scraping noises at various points in the day! Although....they did have the classical guitarist guy playing out there at night during cigar time, and that was extremely pleasant to listen to out on our balcony. The cabin below us (these were aft cabins on the Millennium by the way) was occupied by a couple, also not handicapped, who turned out to be our tablemates. Actually, they were our tablemates first and I happened to be out on the balcony a few days into the cruise, looked down, and there were our tablemates, it was quite funny. Very nice retired couple from Florida. Jeff RTCReferee wrote: As you said, Tobie, "It would be extremely selfish for an able-bodied passenger to even request one of these rooms just for the additional space, and I think that ALL the cruiselines should monitor the persons using these few cabins." |
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